Not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at other nerds to make themselves feel like they have marginally better taste
Dunking on ready player 1/2 for being amazingly blatant wish fulfillment for gross nerds sux; all sorts of genres of fiction are blatant wish fulfillment and dunking on some group of people's version of it is just a way of expressing sneering superiority to them
Dunking on ready player 1/2 for being aesthetically awful is less yucky but also it would not be the first time that wish fulfillment fiction was a blunt force instrument
Not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at other nerds to make themselves feel like they have marginally better taste
Yes, every criticism of a book or a movie is only done to make oneself feel better, or to hurt someone else. It can't be simple amusement at a thing done badly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at nerds criticising something to make them feel like they're marginally kinder people.
Not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at other nerds to make themselves feel like they have marginally better taste
Yes, every criticism of a book or a movie is only done to make oneself feel better, or to hurt someone else. It can't be simple amusement at a thing done badly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at nerds criticising something to make them feel like they're marginally kinder people.
You did spend this morning writing a good five or six paragraphs about a book you didn't read
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Not all my work is great but that is like bad writing.
As far as wish fulfillment fantasy goes, Ready Player One was kind of weird in that the obsession was the most important thing in the setting from the start because of the whole contest plot instead of going the more normal route of "ha, they thought my obsession was useless but I can save the day with it!" like with The Last Starfighter and whatnot. Like nearly every important character is obsessed with that particular interest.
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Not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at other nerds to make themselves feel like they have marginally better taste
Yes, every criticism of a book or a movie is only done to make oneself feel better, or to hurt someone else. It can't be simple amusement at a thing done badly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at nerds criticising something to make them feel like they're marginally kinder people.
You did spend this morning writing a good five or six paragraphs about a book you didn't read
This seems like it was meant to be a refutation of what I posted, but I don't see how. What's your point? That people shouldn't dunk on a thing they think sucks, or is badly written, or shows worrying views on a number of things? That people shouldn't say, as I did, that even though the writing seemed awful it might still be an interesting insight into a particular kind of wish fulfilment?
And yup, haven't read the books all the way through. Only read excerpts. And I said so! Maybe it's Tolstoy in the bits I haven't seen.
Not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at other nerds to make themselves feel like they have marginally better taste
Yes, every criticism of a book or a movie is only done to make oneself feel better, or to hurt someone else. It can't be simple amusement at a thing done badly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at nerds criticising something to make them feel like they're marginally kinder people.
I mean, sure, it's possible to overreact to criticism and surely it must be ~possible~ to make fun of something in a non-problematic way
But the RP1/2 critical discourse has a heavy focus on the posited deficiencies in character of the people who would like it (how pathetic is it to think that in the grim dark of the grimdark future, the one thing that will save us is a mastery of the catalogue of Oigo Boingo? What kind of loser wants a cookie for remembering the name of the first video to air on MTV? Grow up. etc.)
I think a lot of the dunking on Ready Player One was less "let's poke fun at this thing we think is bad!" and more performative dunking to look cool on the internet. Not that people in here are doing that, but the general twittersphere and such going out of their way to mock what was ultimately a forgettable thing. And the constant "Oh ho ho, look how clever I am for mocking this easy to read book that is basically just references to things the author liked!" came across as very tiring to me.
Not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at other nerds to make themselves feel like they have marginally better taste
Yes, every criticism of a book or a movie is only done to make oneself feel better, or to hurt someone else. It can't be simple amusement at a thing done badly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at nerds criticising something to make them feel like they're marginally kinder people.
You did spend this morning writing a good five or six paragraphs about a book you didn't read
This seems like it was meant to be a refutation of what I posted, but I don't see how. What's your point? That people shouldn't dunk on a thing they think sucks, or is badly written, or shows worrying views on a number of things? That people shouldn't say, as I did, that even though the writing seemed awful it might still be an interesting insight into a particular kind of wish fulfilment?
And yup, haven't read the books all the way through. Only read excerpts. And I said so! Maybe it's Tolstoy in the bits I haven't seen.
Every time I read a ready player one / two excerpt, I’m convinced someone is doing a parody and it’s not actually a real quote
But then it is a real quote
It's actually quite difficult to tell the parodies apart until they go over the line. I've read two today that I thought were genuine excerpts until a couple of lines from the end when they broke kayfabe.
I’ve read a lot of reviews of RDR2 that say the plodding pace, the slow animations, and the grinding nature of the quests is part of the charm.
Is this very very wrong, or just very wrong?
I honestly don't know, because I don't want to have my first experience with it being struggling to run it on my old rig
That said: you might not be the person to enjoy it, regardless. You have such an idiosyncratic taste in media. Popular fast-paced popcorn stuff - your Marvel movies and Call of Dutys - hate it!
AAA studio tries their hand at a deliberate, crafted piece of art? Hate it!
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SummaryJudgmentGrab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front doorRegistered Userregular
oh, I'm hours late
whatever, bait is bait
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
I think a lot of the dunking on Ready Player One was less "let's poke fun at this thing we think is bad!" and more performative dunking to look cool on the internet. Not that people in here are doing that, but the general twittersphere and such going out of their way to mock what was ultimately a forgettable thing. And the constant "Oh ho ho, look how clever I am for mocking this easy to read book that is basically just references to things the author liked!" came across as very tiring to me.
There can be a performative aspect to it (and all criticism), just as there is in everything designed to be seen by others. That's not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, though. Criticism should be entertaining and keep in mind it's to be read by someone else.
I guess what you're talking about is the critical equivalent of that hated, almost exclusively mis-used phrase, "virtue signalling". I hate this thing, therefore I am smart and good. I like this other thing, therefore I have good taste.
Okay so honest question, other than the part where it's a blatant invasion of privacy, what's so bad about that second RP2 tweet? The replies to the tweet are mostly people reacting in horror and I think I'm missing why it's so bad.
But I'm also sort of rolling my eyes at the people so eager to dunk on that book when there's tons of stuff in the same vein out there.
re: the hamfisted trans stuff
Now I'm just a cis shitlord but there's a couple things that are pretty off about it
* It starts with the assumption that you, the reader, should be disgusted, so why the narrator has to stop and explain why it's ok (with the fig leaf of the narrator musing about their past self's attitudes). I think if you want to include trans representation you're better off just putting it in as a thing that is normal and cool to all your chars, epically when it's in a story that isn't actually about trans issues.
* The angle the author chose for saying it's all ok is just... "I've fucked em all!" which is shitty on a couple angles... one is part like, people suddenly being for women's rights when they have a daughter (i.e. I only care about other people's rights when I personally care about those people) and the other is that there's a lot of baggage around treating trans people as fetish objects and not just... humans.
It seems the author was well intentioned but also like... it also seems he didn't bother to ask any trans people what they felt about this passage.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm not saying they're right, because I don't want throw the eugenics accusation around in front of any possible 7s and above or accidentally irony myself into inceldom, but it is in fact the moral obligation for hotties to mate with notties
(hmm, actually, reading this article, the argument is actually kinda incoherent. but I will not withdraw my argument!)
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Okay so honest question, other than the part where it's a blatant invasion of privacy, what's so bad about that second RP2 tweet? The replies to the tweet are mostly people reacting in horror and I think I'm missing why it's so bad.
But I'm also sort of rolling my eyes at the people so eager to dunk on that book when there's tons of stuff in the same vein out there.
re: the hamfisted trans stuff
Now I'm just a cis shitlord but there's a couple things that are pretty off about it
* It starts with the assumption that you, the reader, should be disgusted, so why the narrator has to stop and explain why it's ok (with the fig leaf of the narrator musing about their past self's attitudes). I think if you want to include trans representation you're better off just putting it in as a thing that is normal and cool to all your chars, epically when it's in a story that isn't actually about trans issues.
* The angle the author chose for saying it's all ok is just... "I've fucked em all!" which is shitty on a couple angles... one is part like, people suddenly being for women's rights when they have a daughter (i.e. I only care about other people's rights when I personally care about those people) and the other is that there's a lot of baggage around treating trans people as fetish objects and not just... humans.
It seems the author was well intentioned but also like... it also seems he didn't bother to ask any trans people what they felt about this passage.
Ah okay. I read it as more of a "I have spent time on the internet interacting outside the zone I grew up in and I got better perspective" kind of thing which is a story I have read a lot about people. Even on this very forum! But yeah, that makes sense. Well intentioned but needs improvement and discussion with actual trans folk.
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Dunking on ready player 1/2 for being amazingly blatant wish fulfillment for gross nerds sux; all sorts of genres of fiction are blatant wish fulfillment and dunking on some group of people's version of it is just a way of expressing sneering superiority to them
Dunking on ready player 1/2 for being aesthetically awful is less yucky but also it would not be the first time that wish fulfillment fiction was a blunt force instrument
Yes, every criticism of a book or a movie is only done to make oneself feel better, or to hurt someone else. It can't be simple amusement at a thing done badly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for another round of nerds jeering at nerds criticising something to make them feel like they're marginally kinder people.
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You did spend this morning writing a good five or six paragraphs about a book you didn't read
It can't hurt to have an editor.
This seems like it was meant to be a refutation of what I posted, but I don't see how. What's your point? That people shouldn't dunk on a thing they think sucks, or is badly written, or shows worrying views on a number of things? That people shouldn't say, as I did, that even though the writing seemed awful it might still be an interesting insight into a particular kind of wish fulfilment?
And yup, haven't read the books all the way through. Only read excerpts. And I said so! Maybe it's Tolstoy in the bits I haven't seen.
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I mean, sure, it's possible to overreact to criticism and surely it must be ~possible~ to make fun of something in a non-problematic way
But the RP1/2 critical discourse has a heavy focus on the posited deficiencies in character of the people who would like it (how pathetic is it to think that in the grim dark of the grimdark future, the one thing that will save us is a mastery of the catalogue of Oigo Boingo? What kind of loser wants a cookie for remembering the name of the first video to air on MTV? Grow up. etc.)
But then it is a real quote
Meh, ignore me, just in a foul mood this morning
Surely such a strawman does not actually exist
I want to meet a woman who voice acted for dubbed hentai, just once
EXCEPT EVROPA
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
It's actually quite difficult to tell the parodies apart until they go over the line. I've read two today that I thought were genuine excerpts until a couple of lines from the end when they broke kayfabe.
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I bet this is how people who hate wes Anderson movies feel
Linked as it has an image of a cartoonish butt.
Seeing memery infiltrate ads sure is a thing.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I honestly don't know, because I don't want to have my first experience with it being struggling to run it on my old rig
That said: you might not be the person to enjoy it, regardless. You have such an idiosyncratic taste in media. Popular fast-paced popcorn stuff - your Marvel movies and Call of Dutys - hate it!
AAA studio tries their hand at a deliberate, crafted piece of art? Hate it!
whatever, bait is bait
This is for people who hate Wes Anderson made by people who love Wes Anderson
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
yes!!
There can be a performative aspect to it (and all criticism), just as there is in everything designed to be seen by others. That's not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, though. Criticism should be entertaining and keep in mind it's to be read by someone else.
I guess what you're talking about is the critical equivalent of that hated, almost exclusively mis-used phrase, "virtue signalling". I hate this thing, therefore I am smart and good. I like this other thing, therefore I have good taste.
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Nah
Gasp
The last threads of innocence fall from my eyes
MrMonster
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Right, an alien artist
re: the hamfisted trans stuff
Now I'm just a cis shitlord but there's a couple things that are pretty off about it
* It starts with the assumption that you, the reader, should be disgusted, so why the narrator has to stop and explain why it's ok (with the fig leaf of the narrator musing about their past self's attitudes). I think if you want to include trans representation you're better off just putting it in as a thing that is normal and cool to all your chars, epically when it's in a story that isn't actually about trans issues.
* The angle the author chose for saying it's all ok is just... "I've fucked em all!" which is shitty on a couple angles... one is part like, people suddenly being for women's rights when they have a daughter (i.e. I only care about other people's rights when I personally care about those people) and the other is that there's a lot of baggage around treating trans people as fetish objects and not just... humans.
It seems the author was well intentioned but also like... it also seems he didn't bother to ask any trans people what they felt about this passage.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I mean obviously wes Anderson is good so the comparison falls apart there but
I'm not saying they're right, because I don't want throw the eugenics accusation around in front of any possible 7s and above or accidentally irony myself into inceldom, but it is in fact the moral obligation for hotties to mate with notties
(hmm, actually, reading this article, the argument is actually kinda incoherent. but I will not withdraw my argument!)
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Ah okay. I read it as more of a "I have spent time on the internet interacting outside the zone I grew up in and I got better perspective" kind of thing which is a story I have read a lot about people. Even on this very forum! But yeah, that makes sense. Well intentioned but needs improvement and discussion with actual trans folk.