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Did you know [VTubers] are going to take over the world? Hololive, Nijisanji, VShojo, etc!

HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
edited January 2021 in Social Entropy++
You may have noticed a lot of anime avatars suddenly being animated and talking and blinking and waving their arms. These are vtubers, or virtual streamers, or whatever other terms exist for them.

Sometimes they are idols who sing amazingly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQ2GtvDV3s

Other times, pee pee poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rq-OfiCqHo

... and sometimes it's both at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spi6yOS6zy4

Anyway this is the thread where we post about all this silly shit. In a positive light though; vtubers catch a ridiculous amount of harassment and doxxing attempts, so because of that, I'm gonna have to make that the one rule for this thread - DON'T DO THAT SHIT OR PERPETUATE IT. Not that the last iteration had a problem!

Wait there's a second rule that goes with the first; unconfirmed rumors don't have a place here.

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Did you know [VTubers] are going to take over the world? Hololive, Nijisanji, VShojo, etc! 50 votes

Go Team Hololive!
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Go Team Nijisanji!
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Go Team VShojo!
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No matter who wins we all win!
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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa

    pekora's returning tomorrow

  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    No matter who wins we all win!
    That reminds me, as an addenum to the new rule I would add: Posting unconfirmed rumours is a form of harassment so don't do it.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    No matter who wins we all win!
    I'd like to introduce you all to WhisperVR.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-bCxO5N7rg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvGbcdZZFxY

  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Kiara's trident luck netted her some (faux) angry messages from Gura
    https://youtu.be/GHlqV_op_EA

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    【Hololive】Subaru Reflects on Revealing Her Fetishes and Her Changing as a Person..【Eng sub】 1:31
    https://youtu.be/n7japl7607U

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Go Team Hololive!
    We now know the reason Kanata was very poor growing up if she inherited her parents ability to say no to Scam salespeople.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssVCTqFj7mY

    Stercus, Stercus, Stercus, Morituri Sum
  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Haachamachamaaaa
    A video of the context of the Korone-suki being punched in the face.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkPqo1bxyW0

    Kanata, NO!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjqTvd4wAM
    The game Kiara is describing at about 8:20 minutes in, is I think a weird mahjong solitaire that was on a lot of windows computers back in the day.

    Correction: it is now still a thing and I’m downloading it to my iphone

    The game's called Shanghai. My dad plays it all the time.

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  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Zython wrote: »
    The game Kiara is describing at about 8:20 minutes in, is I think a weird mahjong solitaire that was on a lot of windows computers back in the day.

    Correction: it is now still a thing and I’m downloading it to my iphone

    The game's called Shanghai. My dad plays it all the time.

    I watched further in and the chat, Kiara and Ame corroborated my version.
    yes, I'm sure Shanghai was the original name

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Kanata claims those are the sounds of excitedly petting and loving on the rabbit. Not like... eating it alive. Despite the entire audience's perception to the contrary. She's such a goofus.

  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Kanata claims those are the sounds of excitedly petting and loving on the rabbit. Not like... eating it alive. Despite the entire audience's perception to the contrary. She's such a goofus.

    Sounds like something someone who had just eaten a rabbit would say.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Zython wrote: »
    Kanata claims those are the sounds of excitedly petting and loving on the rabbit. Not like... eating it alive. Despite the entire audience's perception to the contrary. She's such a goofus.

    Sounds like something someone who had just eaten a rabbit would say.

    Naw, that sounds like this
    https://youtu.be/JnU00OYE3A4

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    To be clear, I would have voted Holostars if that was an option

    https://youtu.be/9s4WItswNFY

  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    Zython wrote: »
    The game Kiara is describing at about 8:20 minutes in, is I think a weird mahjong solitaire that was on a lot of windows computers back in the day.

    Correction: it is now still a thing and I’m downloading it to my iphone

    The game's called Shanghai. My dad plays it all the time.

    I watched further in and the chat, Kiara and Ame corroborated my version.
    yes, I'm sure Shanghai was the original name

    It goes by multiple names. The Microsoft version was (and still is) named just "Mahjong" which is why so many Western people think of it when they hear the name.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    No matter who wins we all win!
    Holostars is part of Hololive!

    Also I'm sure the poll is lacking but I don't much about how many groups there are. I did neglect independent vtubers and that's my bad and I feel bad. :(

  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Opty wrote: »
    Zython wrote: »
    The game Kiara is describing at about 8:20 minutes in, is I think a weird mahjong solitaire that was on a lot of windows computers back in the day.

    Correction: it is now still a thing and I’m downloading it to my iphone

    The game's called Shanghai. My dad plays it all the time.

    I watched further in and the chat, Kiara and Ame corroborated my version.
    yes, I'm sure Shanghai was the original name

    It goes by multiple names. The Microsoft version was (and still is) named just "Mahjong" which is why so many Western people think of it when they hear the name.

    Like a decade ago when I wanted to play Mahjong on my phone finding the actual game in the app store was a pain in the ass cause it was nothing but clones of thr tile matching version.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

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  • Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    эй moona!
    https://youtu.be/eUdUv1Y4SqM

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  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Hoping the nature of vtubers kills some of the really shitty aspects of the idol industry. There's a decent chunk of media there that doesn't make it outside to the rest of the world because the various idol agencies expect to have a huge amount of control, that no one else wants to give them.

    I'm kind of curious to see how much freedom vtubers ultimately get on collabing with vtubers outside their agency. I'm a bit fuzzy on how much they have right now, but seems like independent vtubers are fine. Just that it seems like if they belong to another agency, that it becomes a problem. Then again, I haven't dived too deep into the vtuber hole, so I might have missed something.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    hey

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    moona

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Go Team Hololive!
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    moona

    Pardun?

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
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    azith28 wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    moona

    Pardun?


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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    https://youtu.be/zULXj-rFE1Q

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    No matter who wins we all win!
    There was that time Matsuri was asking Roberu to be her big brother.

    BOY WAS THAT A THING.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

    I know how fandom works, why do you think this works for another company with largely the same demographic

  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Haachamachamaaaa
    There's clearly not a firm ban or rule that Hololive and Holostars can't collab because it has happened many, many times. There MAY be internal company pressure (from either side of the company) that doing so a lot isn't in their best interests. There's no way we would really know what that would look like. The Holostar sub numbers are slowly climbing though, so they may very well reach some kind of positive milestone this year.

    Or get cut loose suddenly, it's hard to say. I don't think anyone could have predicted how CN played out at the start of last year.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

    I know how fandom works, why do you think this works for another company with largely the same demographic

    The geographic distributions of the Hololive and Nijisanji demographic are different

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    Paladin wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

    I know how fandom works, why do you think this works for another company with largely the same demographic

    The geographic distributions of the Hololive and Nijisanji demographic are different

    Nijisanji definitely skews older and more feminine but has had to deal with the same issues that hololive talent are currently having, notably with suzuhara lulu in the past

    This element no longer dominates the nijisanji fan culture largely cause ichikara has taken proactive measures to aggressively protect its talent, something cover has actively refused to do at all turns

    It is the same policy that prevents free collaboration between hololive and holostars, whether a hard rule set by management or a soft rule set by complete refusal to take action for fear of endangering capital

    Per the geographic distributions comment, Yozora Mel was stalked long before hololive had a western audience, matsuri and rushia were bullied last week by her Japanese fans last week, and so on

    This is a longstanding policy of cowardice on cover's behalf for years making itself manifest in myriad ways now

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

    I know how fandom works, why do you think this works for another company with largely the same demographic

    The geographic distributions of the Hololive and Nijisanji demographic are different

    Nijisanji definitely skews older and more feminine but has had to deal with the same issues that hololive talent are currently having, notably with suzuhara lulu in the past

    This element no longer dominates the ninisanji fan culture largely cause ichikara has taken proactive measures to aggressively protect its talent, something cover has actively refused to do at all turns

    It is the same policy that prevents free collaboration between hololive and holostars, whether a hard rule set by management or a soft rule set by complete refusal to take action for fear of endangering capital

    Oh, I mean that Hololive is more popular overseas and Nijisanji is much more popular in Japan. Haven't verified that other stuff.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    No matter who wins we all win!
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

    And is not for a lack of trying. Kiara set up a Minecraft stream with her character's illustrator, huke. It went down in flames caused by a stream of incel rage. So is difficult for them to host the collab, is easier to just be the guest, like Mori going to the Trash Taste podcast.

    TryCatcher on
  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Go Team Nijisanji!
    Paladin wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Holostars is really part of hololive in name only considering how much exposure they get/are allowed to get

    Blame Japan's shitty idol culture on their slow growth. Things are picking up for them with vtubers becoming popular outside of Japan though.

    Nijisanji allows for collabs between genders freely, though admittedly it took some pressure from the talent leveraging its power as labor

    This is one of many reasons why their male talent is among their most popular talent

    'Blame Japan' is a very lazy way and racially coded to get around the specific failings of cover corp

    Cover doesn't block collabs between Hololive and Holostar. The problem is most of the girls got a fanbase that loses their shit if they interact with the opposite gender so they never collab outside of the safety bubble that is Hololive.

    I know how fandom works, why do you think this works for another company with largely the same demographic

    The geographic distributions of the Hololive and Nijisanji demographic are different

    Nijisanji definitely skews older and more feminine but has had to deal with the same issues that hololive talent are currently having, notably with suzuhara lulu in the past

    This element no longer dominates the ninisanji fan culture largely cause ichikara has taken proactive measures to aggressively protect its talent, something cover has actively refused to do at all turns

    It is the same policy that prevents free collaboration between hololive and holostars, whether a hard rule set by management or a soft rule set by complete refusal to take action for fear of endangering capital

    Oh, I mean that Hololive is more popular overseas and Nijisanji is much more popular in Japan. Haven't verified that other stuff.

    Yeah I corrected myself and added on, sorry I didn't catch that!

    I do think there is something to be evaluated in Coco and other hololive talent actively beginning to court the reddit fanbase last year but I think that is a separate issue from cover's unwillingness to protect talent, or at least an ancillary piece of the puzzle

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