Hyoga’s gone because he died before the medusa activates. The others survive because they’re barely hanging on when petrified. Hyoga’s death is the datapoint to hypothesize the limits of the petrificatiin beam’s healing effects, with Tsukasa being the witness to his death to confirm he died before the beam
BTW, I feel like I should add some anime recommendations to the OP. Anyone want to chime in with shows they think deserve special mention? I'm also considering a separate list for anime that might be good for introducing people to anime.
Cowboy Bebop is the most obvious "you haven't watched an anime watch this" because it pulls from western film influences and then went on to influence western film itself, with Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex's first season probably right behind.
You could also ease people in with Castlevania, which has a western team behind it but is clearly drawing on anime with writing more familiar to western audiences.
My Hero Academia plays very well to western audiences with its spin on superhero media plus a familiar "going to a specialized school" plotline. Harry Potter may rightfully have fallen out of favor but people like the formula.
After those if someone has decided hey I like this, gimme the good stuff...
Samurai Champloo because they liked Bebop. Likewise, Megalobox feels like it fits into the Bebop world, even though it isn't part of it.
Mob Psycho 100 if they got into MHA for obvious reasons.
Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken to give them a show that really explains the love that goes into making the shows.
People love workplace comedies, so Shirobako for an anime themed version of that.
For romcoms, I would recommend Aggretsuko and Wotakoi. There aren't a lot of romcom anime with adults, so these two work well for newbies, though Wotakoi may require a bit of knowledge of otaku culture. Aggretsuko in particular is good because people are already familiar with Hello Kitty so an adult version of that will make them feel at home and laugh immediately.
If they want a drama that will really show what the medium can do in ways that they probably aren't expecting, offer up March Comes In Like a Lion.
If they want some visual spectacle, offer up Land of the Lustrous and Beastars as examples of the future of high quality CGI anime. If MHA worked for them and they've familiarized themselves with the tropes, then Demon Slayer might be a logical extension of the visual spectacle option as well.
If they're willing to get weird with it, figure out their flavor of weird and offer up either Paranoia Agent for something more dark and psychological or Dorohedoro for some quirky ultraviolence.
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Mostly I am thoroughly unimpressed by Gen Urobuchi, in general. He managed to hit lightning in a bottle with Madoka, perhaps because the magical girl milieu forced him out of his comfort zone slightly, I don't know. But given other stuff, I'm leaning towards that being kind of an accident.
And honestly Fate Zero in particular severely annoys me at several points.
I feel largely the same. I can't stand his storytelling style, although that may be as much the fault of anime's chronically poor adapters since he comes from a VN background. I also feel like people just memory hole all his absolute garbage shows/games, and they're in equal number. Fate/Zero irked me early on with the "walk in circles" scene, and only ever seemed to bounce between extremely well animated excessively shiny fights with absolutely no direction or flow to them, and dour dudes in overly well drawn rooms info dumping at each other, which is something I feel like UFOTable has gone all in on since jumping on the Type/Moon train, even in Demon Slayer.
The show hits the ground running after the exposition of the first episode, though. Fate is heavy on the lore, and I think Zero does the best balance of handling it seriously and maintaining the lore without getting deluged in the slice of life and unlimited cooking works drama of the Emiya Shirou stories.
Mostly I am thoroughly unimpressed by Gen Urobuchi, in general. He managed to hit lightning in a bottle with Madoka, perhaps because the magical girl milieu forced him out of his comfort zone slightly, I don't know. But given other stuff, I'm leaning towards that being kind of an accident.
And honestly Fate Zero in particular severely annoys me at several points.
I feel largely the same. I can't stand his storytelling style, although that may be as much the fault of anime's chronically poor adapters since he comes from a VN background. I also feel like people just memory hole all his absolute garbage shows/games, and they're in equal number. Fate/Zero irked me early on with the "walk in circles" scene, and only ever seemed to bounce between extremely well animated excessively shiny fights with absolutely no direction or flow to them, and dour dudes in overly well drawn rooms info dumping at each other, which is something I feel like UFOTable has gone all in on since jumping on the Type/Moon train, even in Demon Slayer.
The show hits the ground running after the exposition of the first episode, though. Fate is heavy on the lore, and I think Zero does the best balance of handling it seriously and maintaining the lore without getting deluged in the slice of life and unlimited cooking works drama of the Emiya Shirou stories.
I think you've got some serious rose tinted glasses here. The first action/fight scene of the show wasn't until episode 4 (5 really, considering the first episode was an hour long), and that episode was absolutely plagued with cut-aways to indistinct distance shots. Waver and Iskander were the only tolerable parts of the early episodes, and episode 2 had a seven minute scene of them sitting on a park bench, arguing about using super powers to conquer the world because humanity needs a god king. Episode 3 had an even longer scene of them in a college apartment, ranting at a TV broadcast of a politician and declaring that their strategy will be to fight their enemies. And, again, they were the high points.
Mostly I am thoroughly unimpressed by Gen Urobuchi, in general. He managed to hit lightning in a bottle with Madoka, perhaps because the magical girl milieu forced him out of his comfort zone slightly, I don't know. But given other stuff, I'm leaning towards that being kind of an accident.
And honestly Fate Zero in particular severely annoys me at several points.
I feel largely the same. I can't stand his storytelling style, although that may be as much the fault of anime's chronically poor adapters since he comes from a VN background. I also feel like people just memory hole all his absolute garbage shows/games, and they're in equal number. Fate/Zero irked me early on with the "walk in circles" scene, and only ever seemed to bounce between extremely well animated excessively shiny fights with absolutely no direction or flow to them, and dour dudes in overly well drawn rooms info dumping at each other, which is something I feel like UFOTable has gone all in on since jumping on the Type/Moon train, even in Demon Slayer.
The show hits the ground running after the exposition of the first episode, though. Fate is heavy on the lore, and I think Zero does the best balance of handling it seriously and maintaining the lore without getting deluged in the slice of life and unlimited cooking works drama of the Emiya Shirou stories.
I think you've got some serious rose tinted glasses here. The first action/fight scene of the show wasn't until episode 4 (5 really, considering the first episode was an hour long), and that episode was absolutely plagued with cut-aways to indistinct distance shots. Waver and Iskander were the only tolerable parts of the early episodes, and episode 2 had a seven minute scene of them sitting on a park bench, arguing about using super powers to conquer the world because humanity needs a god king. Episode 3 had an even longer scene of them in a college apartment, ranting at a TV broadcast of a politician and declaring that their strategy will be to fight their enemies. And, again, they were the high points.
I've watched it three times and counting. I love all the character drama and action scenes in equal measure.
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I have so many questions about today's One Piece and MHA updates
So many questions
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Aside from the fuckery at the end (I agree this is definitely a Kanjuo illusion, he makes the most sense for Kinemon to fight here), I really enjoyed the "oh shit, we're sorry" from everyone after Chopper transformed.
Bon Clay needed to touch a person he was turning into, if I remember correctly.
my fav theory, is that is probably Catarina Devon, who has the Nine Tailed Fox fruit with the ability to completely transform into people, and explicitly dead ones.
four reasons of descending certitude.
1. Oden's pose is exactly the same as hers she's usually shown in; specifically resting her wrists on hips
2. Blackbeard was last seen reading the news about Wano and wanting to head out to retrieve "it", Kaido's Fruit? Road Poneglyph?
3. Catarina Devon's pirate sobriquet is Crescent Moon Hunter, the Crescent Moon being the symbol of the Kozuki clan, this is more just an odd coincidence but Oda does like to hide hints.
4. also a bit strange that it is explicitly not Bon Clay, the previous user of the Mane Mane fruit was alive and in Wano until after Oden's death, so logically as pointed out Bon Clay could not have ever touched Oden's face.
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Given the speed it's going there is no way AoT is gonna have a satisfying ending.
I must steel myself to be ready to listen to the complaints of my friends who are huge AoT fans.
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Aside from the fuckery at the end (I agree this is definitely a Kanjuo illusion, he makes the most sense for Kinemon to fight here), I really enjoyed the "oh shit, we're sorry" from everyone after Chopper transformed.
I doubt it's a Kanjuro illusion simply because he tended to their wounds first.
Bon Clay needed to touch a person he was turning into, if I remember correctly.
my fav theory, is that is probably Catarina Devon, who has the Nine Tailed Fox fruit with the ability to completely transform into people, and explicitly dead ones.
four reasons of descending certitude.
1. Oden's pose is exactly the same as hers she's usually shown in; specifically resting her wrists on hips
2. Blackbeard was last seen reading the news about Wano and wanting to head out to retrieve "it", Kaido's Fruit? Road Poneglyph?
3. Catarina Devon's pirate sobriquet is Crescent Moon Hunter, the Crescent Moon being the symbol of the Kozuki clan, this is more just an odd coincidence but Oda does like to hide hints.
4. also a bit strange that it is explicitly not Bon Clay, the previous user of the Mane Mane fruit was alive and in Wano until after Oden's death, so logically as pointed out Bon Clay could not have ever touched Oden's face.
Yeah I buy this.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Bon Clay needed to touch a person he was turning into, if I remember correctly.
my fav theory, is that is probably Catarina Devon, who has the Nine Tailed Fox fruit with the ability to completely transform into people, and explicitly dead ones.
four reasons of descending certitude.
1. Oden's pose is exactly the same as hers she's usually shown in; specifically resting her wrists on hips
2. Blackbeard was last seen reading the news about Wano and wanting to head out to retrieve "it", Kaido's Fruit? Road Poneglyph?
3. Catarina Devon's pirate sobriquet is Crescent Moon Hunter, the Crescent Moon being the symbol of the Kozuki clan, this is more just an odd coincidence but Oda does like to hide hints.
4. also a bit strange that it is explicitly not Bon Clay, the previous user of the Mane Mane fruit was alive and in Wano until after Oden's death, so logically as pointed out Bon Clay could not have ever touched Oden's face.
Given the speed it's going there is no way AoT is gonna have a satisfying ending.
I must steel myself to be ready to listen to the complaints of my friends who are huge AoT fans.
We will for 99.9 % get a movie or two that will have a proper ending after the final season concludes. AoT is just too popular to be abandoned this way.
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Urubuchi is one of my favourite writers because of the way he follows his character arcs and isn't unhealthily attached to his characters.
There is almost always an urubuchi style massive character payoff at the end.
Some of my favourites are
THESE ARE ALL MASSIVE SPOILERS
Fate Zero
The villain goes through a hero's journey, and ends up happy in the end. Watching his growth from confused, uncertain about what he wants to do, to realising he genuinely just enjoys watching other people suffer and go all in on that was amazing.
The hero goes through a villain's descent, and is redeemed at the end.
The two of them clash in the final episode and it is amazing because of all the things that brought them to that point.
Gargantia
The mech ejects the pilot in the final battle because he's a liability. (The mech can move faster without him) And also because he wants to save him.
That mech is the true hero of that show. That mech went through a protagonist arc. So many mecha anime the mech is just the ever loyal subservient slave. This mech developed it's own will and beliefs, and it acted on them. That's amazing.
Madoka Rebellion
This story was always about Homura, not Madoka. It's logical based on Homura's character arc. Say what you want about it, hate it if you must, but it follows that character to the end. I appreciate that.
Thunderbolt Fantasy has too many to list. Every character gets their thing. They're all basically amazing. That's why that show is so good.
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I didn't realize Gargantia On The Verdurous Planet was a Gen Urobuchi joint! Neat. Pretty tame compared to some of his stuff.
He was mostly there for two episodes and then left, if memory serves.
You are thinking of Aldnoah Zero.
Urubuchi did all of Gargantia.
No, Urobuchi only wrote the first and last episodes of Gargantia.
I just looked it up and you are right but he also collaborated on the overall plot as well. The wiki for the show mentions that. His first and last eps were meant to be guides for the other writers to follow.
So it isnt like he just buggered off job done he was heavily involved in the overall show.
Either way one of the eps he wrote has my fav moment.
I think this is the show were he tweeted "Its time I was recognised as a healing type writer" which I got a good laugh out of.
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To be fair with Fate/Zero didn't kind of the whole premise preclude most characters surviving?
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To be fair with Fate/Zero didn't kind of the whole premise preclude most characters surviving?
Ehhhhhhh. The general rule in the grail war is that when the Mage/SummonedGuy die then they are DQ'd by default, but you don't have to kill all your opponents to win.
The only thing the premise requires is that certain people be alive because they show up in some capacity in the latter timeline, but even knowing who that is is a spoiler.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Gargantia is lowkey really fucking good imo. It's got some rough patches (one episode in particular) but I super duper enjoyed it.
The only things I really remember of it are A.) The T&A episode where every character inexplicably dressed up like Arabian harem members and did belly dances to pleasure the men on the ship which is I assume the episode you're referencing, B.) That the bad guys were basically random crazies with sticks and a mech while the good guys had a railgun and a mech, and C.) The Terminator knockoff ending.
Gargantia is lowkey really fucking good imo. It's got some rough patches (one episode in particular) but I super duper enjoyed it.
The only things I really remember of it are A.) The T&A episode where every character inexplicably dressed up like Arabian harem members and did belly dances to pleasure the men on the ship which is I assume the episode you're referencing, B.) That the bad guys were basically random crazies with sticks and a mech while the good guys had a railgun and a mech, and C.) The Terminator knockoff ending.
yeah that episode sucked
there were a lot of different sorts of bad guys in the show tbh, but the final stuff was mostly focused on the other mech
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Cowboy Bebop is the most obvious "you haven't watched an anime watch this" because it pulls from western film influences and then went on to influence western film itself, with Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex's first season probably right behind.
You could also ease people in with Castlevania, which has a western team behind it but is clearly drawing on anime with writing more familiar to western audiences.
My Hero Academia plays very well to western audiences with its spin on superhero media plus a familiar "going to a specialized school" plotline. Harry Potter may rightfully have fallen out of favor but people like the formula.
After those if someone has decided hey I like this, gimme the good stuff...
Samurai Champloo because they liked Bebop. Likewise, Megalobox feels like it fits into the Bebop world, even though it isn't part of it.
Mob Psycho 100 if they got into MHA for obvious reasons.
Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken to give them a show that really explains the love that goes into making the shows.
People love workplace comedies, so Shirobako for an anime themed version of that.
For romcoms, I would recommend Aggretsuko and Wotakoi. There aren't a lot of romcom anime with adults, so these two work well for newbies, though Wotakoi may require a bit of knowledge of otaku culture. Aggretsuko in particular is good because people are already familiar with Hello Kitty so an adult version of that will make them feel at home and laugh immediately.
If they want a drama that will really show what the medium can do in ways that they probably aren't expecting, offer up March Comes In Like a Lion.
If they want some visual spectacle, offer up Land of the Lustrous and Beastars as examples of the future of high quality CGI anime. If MHA worked for them and they've familiarized themselves with the tropes, then Demon Slayer might be a logical extension of the visual spectacle option as well.
If they're willing to get weird with it, figure out their flavor of weird and offer up either Paranoia Agent for something more dark and psychological or Dorohedoro for some quirky ultraviolence.
The show hits the ground running after the exposition of the first episode, though. Fate is heavy on the lore, and I think Zero does the best balance of handling it seriously and maintaining the lore without getting deluged in the slice of life and unlimited cooking works drama of the Emiya Shirou stories.
I think you've got some serious rose tinted glasses here. The first action/fight scene of the show wasn't until episode 4 (5 really, considering the first episode was an hour long), and that episode was absolutely plagued with cut-aways to indistinct distance shots. Waver and Iskander were the only tolerable parts of the early episodes, and episode 2 had a seven minute scene of them sitting on a park bench, arguing about using super powers to conquer the world because humanity needs a god king. Episode 3 had an even longer scene of them in a college apartment, ranting at a TV broadcast of a politician and declaring that their strategy will be to fight their enemies. And, again, they were the high points.
They're really hitting mood whiplash with this series right now.
I've watched it three times and counting. I love all the character drama and action scenes in equal measure.
So many questions
four reasons of descending certitude.
1. Oden's pose is exactly the same as hers she's usually shown in; specifically resting her wrists on hips
2. Blackbeard was last seen reading the news about Wano and wanting to head out to retrieve "it", Kaido's Fruit? Road Poneglyph?
3. Catarina Devon's pirate sobriquet is Crescent Moon Hunter, the Crescent Moon being the symbol of the Kozuki clan, this is more just an odd coincidence but Oda does like to hide hints.
4. also a bit strange that it is explicitly not Bon Clay, the previous user of the Mane Mane fruit was alive and in Wano until after Oden's death, so logically as pointed out Bon Clay could not have ever touched Oden's face.
It's not bon clay
I must steel myself to be ready to listen to the complaints of my friends who are huge AoT fans.
Yeah I buy this.
Ooh, I like this theory, would be a fun wrinkle
We will for 99.9 % get a movie or two that will have a proper ending after the final season concludes. AoT is just too popular to be abandoned this way.
Just some really solid comedic timing this episode
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There is almost always an urubuchi style massive character payoff at the end.
Some of my favourites are
THESE ARE ALL MASSIVE SPOILERS
Fate Zero
The hero goes through a villain's descent, and is redeemed at the end.
The two of them clash in the final episode and it is amazing because of all the things that brought them to that point.
Gargantia
That mech is the true hero of that show. That mech went through a protagonist arc. So many mecha anime the mech is just the ever loyal subservient slave. This mech developed it's own will and beliefs, and it acted on them. That's amazing.
Madoka Rebellion
Thunderbolt Fantasy has too many to list. Every character gets their thing. They're all basically amazing. That's why that show is so good.
He was mostly there for two episodes and then left, if memory serves.
You are thinking of Aldnoah Zero.
Urubuchi did all of Gargantia.
I think Fate/Zero was the only one that poured over into gratitious which is also why I probably found it the least interesting of his stuff.
Haven't seen the mech show though.
But growing up on Gundam you kind of get used to characters randomly dying.
No, Urobuchi only wrote the first and last episodes of Gargantia.
I just looked it up and you are right but he also collaborated on the overall plot as well. The wiki for the show mentions that. His first and last eps were meant to be guides for the other writers to follow.
So it isnt like he just buggered off job done he was heavily involved in the overall show.
Either way one of the eps he wrote has my fav moment.
I think this is the show were he tweeted "Its time I was recognised as a healing type writer" which I got a good laugh out of.
Ehhhhhhh. The general rule in the grail war is that when the Mage/SummonedGuy die then they are DQ'd by default, but you don't have to kill all your opponents to win.
The only thing the premise requires is that certain people be alive because they show up in some capacity in the latter timeline, but even knowing who that is is a spoiler.
Most of the characters did.
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The only things I really remember of it are A.) The T&A episode where every character inexplicably dressed up like Arabian harem members and did belly dances to pleasure the men on the ship which is I assume the episode you're referencing, B.) That the bad guys were basically random crazies with sticks and a mech while the good guys had a railgun and a mech, and C.) The Terminator knockoff ending.
yeah that episode sucked
there were a lot of different sorts of bad guys in the show tbh, but the final stuff was mostly focused on the other mech
I really liked the ending!