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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    So what I'm getting is that the TV wall-mount I ordered on the weekend that seems to have shipped Purolator ground from Vancouver is not likely to arrive in short order ... :P

    I mean, with Purolator, your odds were never good to start with.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I suspect/hope that we may see the federal government swiftly moving to revise entry requirements into Canada regarding Covid testing - if they have any sense, they'll carve out an exception allowing double vaccinated ground travellers arriving in BC/AB/SK/MA to skip PCR testing. Supply lines are going to be stretched as is, and PCR tests are going to add more friction to the process. As it is, food access might actually be an issue, given how we import so much fruit and vegetables.

    This is potentially simultaneously a fascinating and potentially horrifying look at what happens when our just in time supply network can't provide things just in time.

    No, ground travellers can take some extra steps.

    Cartage / Hauling already have exemptions from the more onerous requirements.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

    Don't underestimate them. The faction that eats the others is usually the nuttier and more extreme one, and they end up the sole faction controlling the party, while the party retains its historic credentials as a big-tent of multiple factions. The end result is a very united, very fanatical party with the resources and reputation of a moderate wide-appeal party. It's what happened to the Republicans down south.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

    Don't underestimate them. The faction that eats the others is usually the nuttier and more extreme one, and they end up the sole faction controlling the party, while the party retains its historic credentials as a big-tent of multiple factions. The end result is a very united, very fanatical party with the resources and reputation of a moderate wide-appeal party. It's what happened to the Republicans down south.

    Yes, but in the states, there are only two parties.... There is always going to be some version of the PPC that breaks off and is "more" extreme and bleeds off votes.

    O'Toole is trying to drag them to the center as he has the good sense to realize that's their only path to victory.

    Don't like the man but he does have a good understanding of how the game is played.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 17
    So, the Algorithm has noticed my interest in Not Just Bikes and tried to engagement me something interesting about Québec: a REM fan from Toronto talking about Québec's future tram.



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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    I used VIA to go from Montreal to Quebec city over the summer. Forgot how much I enjoyed it !

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

    Don't underestimate them. The faction that eats the others is usually the nuttier and more extreme one, and they end up the sole faction controlling the party, while the party retains its historic credentials as a big-tent of multiple factions. The end result is a very united, very fanatical party with the resources and reputation of a moderate wide-appeal party. It's what happened to the Republicans down south.

    Yes, but in the states, there are only two parties.... There is always going to be some version of the PPC that breaks off and is "more" extreme and bleeds off votes.

    I think you're overstating the impact of the PPC's "vote bleed". They got less than 5% of the popular vote. For comparison, the Bloc gets 7.6% of the popular vote while running in a single province. For individual ridings, I don't have a spreadsheet to check nation-wide, but I manually checked the list of 10 closest ridings in the last election: only 4 had the CPC in second place (not always to the Liberals in first), and one of those didn't even have a PPC candidate running, so that's only 3 out of 10 that could have changed to the CPC without the PPC. But that assumes that PPC voters would have gone with the CPC if they didn't have the chance, which is far from guaranteed (as stated, they are the "more extreme" conservatives, so we shouldn't assume they'd sheepishly vote for a "moderate" (from their point of view) candidate). Harper's unified conservative party got less votes and less popular vote than the Alliance and Conservatives put together in the previous election.

    More importantly, you're overstating the importance of our "multiple party" system. We certainly have multiple parties running, but only two parties ever formed governments in the history of our nation, and no one actually believes any of the other parties has a shot. We are a two-party government with a multi-party opposition, not a multi-party government. When people get tired of the Liberals and want change for whatever reason, it will be the CPC, and none of our other dozen or so parties, that will take power.

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    So, the Algorithm has noticed by interest in Not Just Bikes and tried to engagement me something interesting about Québec: a REM fan from Toronto talking about Québec's future tram.



    Don't talk about the cost and how the Chinese have gotten their rail cost down to like a third of the therotical cost it will take to maybe lay a km of track in north america

    Oh wait that's high speed rail not light rail if I even see the go train come to my town I still won't believe it's happened they'll probably just build another 407

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited November 17
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

    Don't underestimate them. The faction that eats the others is usually the nuttier and more extreme one, and they end up the sole faction controlling the party, while the party retains its historic credentials as a big-tent of multiple factions. The end result is a very united, very fanatical party with the resources and reputation of a moderate wide-appeal party. It's what happened to the Republicans down south.

    Yes, but in the states, there are only two parties.... There is always going to be some version of the PPC that breaks off and is "more" extreme and bleeds off votes.

    I think you're overstating the impact of the PPC's "vote bleed". They got less than 5% of the popular vote. For comparison, the Bloc gets 7.6% of the popular vote while running in a single province. For individual ridings, I don't have a spreadsheet to check nation-wide, but I manually checked the list of 10 closest ridings in the last election: only 4 had the CPC in second place (not always to the Liberals in first), and one of those didn't even have a PPC candidate running, so that's only 3 out of 10 that could have changed to the CPC without the PPC. But that assumes that PPC voters would have gone with the CPC if they didn't have the chance, which is far from guaranteed (as stated, they are the "more extreme" conservatives, so we shouldn't assume they'd sheepishly vote for a "moderate" (from their point of view) candidate). Harper's unified conservative party got less votes and less popular vote than the Alliance and Conservatives put together in the previous election.

    More importantly, you're overstating the importance of our "multiple party" system. We certainly have multiple parties running, but only two parties ever formed governments in the history of our nation, and no one actually believes any of the other parties has a shot. We are a two-party government with a multi-party opposition, not a multi-party government. When people get tired of the Liberals and want change for whatever reason, it will be the CPC, and none of our other dozen or so parties, that will take power.

    Sure, man. I could say the sky is blue and you would have a 2 paragraph response ready about how, no, it's actually turquoise.

    You are now arguing against yourself and saying that the conservatives are losing votes.... I was just replying to your fear-mongering post above about the terror of conservatives ;)

    Two parties gave won but the NDP and Bloc sure do love playing kingmaker as we have mostly had minority governments and that trend is only getting stronger. The bloc is essentially only there to promote Quebec and their flavor of the week outrage sure is not helping.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    PPC 5% of the vote vs the Blocs 7.2% sure does not seem very far apart to me.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

    Don't underestimate them. The faction that eats the others is usually the nuttier and more extreme one, and they end up the sole faction controlling the party, while the party retains its historic credentials as a big-tent of multiple factions. The end result is a very united, very fanatical party with the resources and reputation of a moderate wide-appeal party. It's what happened to the Republicans down south.

    Yes, but in the states, there are only two parties.... There is always going to be some version of the PPC that breaks off and is "more" extreme and bleeds off votes.

    I think you're overstating the impact of the PPC's "vote bleed". They got less than 5% of the popular vote. For comparison, the Bloc gets 7.6% of the popular vote while running in a single province. For individual ridings, I don't have a spreadsheet to check nation-wide, but I manually checked the list of 10 closest ridings in the last election: only 4 had the CPC in second place (not always to the Liberals in first), and one of those didn't even have a PPC candidate running, so that's only 3 out of 10 that could have changed to the CPC without the PPC. But that assumes that PPC voters would have gone with the CPC if they didn't have the chance, which is far from guaranteed (as stated, they are the "more extreme" conservatives, so we shouldn't assume they'd sheepishly vote for a "moderate" (from their point of view) candidate). Harper's unified conservative party got less votes and less popular vote than the Alliance and Conservatives put together in the previous election.

    More importantly, you're overstating the importance of our "multiple party" system. We certainly have multiple parties running, but only two parties ever formed governments in the history of our nation, and no one actually believes any of the other parties has a shot. We are a two-party government with a multi-party opposition, not a multi-party government. When people get tired of the Liberals and want change for whatever reason, it will be the CPC, and none of our other dozen or so parties, that will take power.

    Sure, man. I could say the sky is blue and you would have a 2 paragraph response ready about how, no, it's actually turquoise.

    You are now arguing against yourself and saying that the conservatives are losing votes.... I was just replying to your fear-mongering post above about the terror of conservatives ;)

    Two parties gave won but the NDP and Bloc sure do love playing kingmaker as we have mostly had minority governments and that trend is only getting stronger. The bloc is essentially only there to promote Quebec and their flavor of the week outrage sure is not helping.

    You're also overstating your importance to me. I seldom check who I'm responding to before responding. Though I guess I'll have to be more careful to ignore you, since you seem to take it so personally.
    Disco11 wrote: »
    PPC 5% of the vote vs the Blocs 7.2% sure does not seem very far apart to me.

    5% from 312 candidates nation-wide against 7.6% from 78 candidates in one province seems worlds apart to me. One of them is a serious political force, the other would rightfully be relegated to "fringe party" status and ignored along with the Rhinos and CHP if not for the star-power of their leader and the overt right-wing bias of the MSM.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    'Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has kicked Saskatchewan Sen. Denise Batters out of the national caucus a day after she launched a petition calling for an expedited review of his leadership.

    "As the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, I will not tolerate an individual discrediting and showing a clear lack of respect towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus, who are holding the corrupt and disastrous Trudeau government to account," O'Toole said in a media statement late Tuesday.'

    Do the cons have any plans to hire a permanent leader, or are they just going with a succession of fucking temps?

    Their whole political identity is about attacking and criticizing ... Always.

    They are stuck in this perpetual cycle of eating themselves alive, ouroboros style now.

    Don't underestimate them. The faction that eats the others is usually the nuttier and more extreme one, and they end up the sole faction controlling the party, while the party retains its historic credentials as a big-tent of multiple factions. The end result is a very united, very fanatical party with the resources and reputation of a moderate wide-appeal party. It's what happened to the Republicans down south.

    Yes, but in the states, there are only two parties.... There is always going to be some version of the PPC that breaks off and is "more" extreme and bleeds off votes.

    I think you're overstating the impact of the PPC's "vote bleed". They got less than 5% of the popular vote. For comparison, the Bloc gets 7.6% of the popular vote while running in a single province. For individual ridings, I don't have a spreadsheet to check nation-wide, but I manually checked the list of 10 closest ridings in the last election: only 4 had the CPC in second place (not always to the Liberals in first), and one of those didn't even have a PPC candidate running, so that's only 3 out of 10 that could have changed to the CPC without the PPC. But that assumes that PPC voters would have gone with the CPC if they didn't have the chance, which is far from guaranteed (as stated, they are the "more extreme" conservatives, so we shouldn't assume they'd sheepishly vote for a "moderate" (from their point of view) candidate). Harper's unified conservative party got less votes and less popular vote than the Alliance and Conservatives put together in the previous election.

    More importantly, you're overstating the importance of our "multiple party" system. We certainly have multiple parties running, but only two parties ever formed governments in the history of our nation, and no one actually believes any of the other parties has a shot. We are a two-party government with a multi-party opposition, not a multi-party government. When people get tired of the Liberals and want change for whatever reason, it will be the CPC, and none of our other dozen or so parties, that will take power.

    Sure, man. I could say the sky is blue and you would have a 2 paragraph response ready about how, no, it's actually turquoise.

    You are now arguing against yourself and saying that the conservatives are losing votes.... I was just replying to your fear-mongering post above about the terror of conservatives ;)

    Two parties gave won but the NDP and Bloc sure do love playing kingmaker as we have mostly had minority governments and that trend is only getting stronger. The bloc is essentially only there to promote Quebec and their flavor of the week outrage sure is not helping.

    You're also overstating your importance to me. I seldom check who I'm responding to before responding. Though I guess I'll have to be more careful to ignore you, since you seem to take it so personally.
    Disco11 wrote: »
    PPC 5% of the vote vs the Blocs 7.2% sure does not seem very far apart to me.

    5% from 312 candidates nation-wide against 7.6% from 78 candidates in one province seems worlds apart to me. One of them is a serious political force, the other would rightfully be relegated to "fringe party" status and ignored along with the Rhinos and CHP if not for the star-power of their leader and the overt right-wing bias of the MSM.

    Oh I'm not saying it's me, specifically. That's just how you respond to literally anyone ;)

    The Tea party and Q were both fringe and now lead the party.

    The PPC doubled their vote count between elections. If that does not worry you I don't know what to say. We currently have a very weak NDP and greens pushing more moderates to vote for the liberals helping them keep in power but this may not always be the case. The conservatives need their "whole" base to keep the line for them to have any path to victory and O'toole knows this hence his push towards the center as well.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    So of course with Parliament opening again we see the conservatives doing there usual song and dance about vaccination statuses of their own MPs.

    While they say that all of their MPs are allowed in because they met the requirements either they are vaccinated or have a valid medical exemption the chances that more than a few MPs actually have legit medical exemptions is unlikely.

    The cons are the only party that have not flat out said all their MPs were fully vaccinated.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/8392343/covid-vaccine-exemption-conservative-mp-unvaccinated/

    from the article

    "An analysis by The Canadian Press found at least two of the 119 Conservative MPs have said they can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons, while 83 others said they’ve had both of their shots. The others haven’t publicly disclosed their status, with some like Ontario MP Leslyn Lewis saying they believe that information is private.

    O’Toole didn’t answer Tuesday when asked again how many of his members have medical exemptions, but said Conservatives worked with officials on Parliament Hill to ensure they met public health requirements, and expressed disappointment at the Liberals’ suggestion those officials didn’t do their jobs properly."

    Which of course is a bunch of wank from O'Toole. The officials have to take the exemption they receive at face value because they have no way to determine if it is valid or not. I could see the remaining 34 MPs being a mix of folks who are vaccinated but not telling and folks claiming to be exempt. Its those exempt claiming ones that should be scrutinized as well as the doctors who provided the exemption.






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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited November 25
    Here in the Province of Québec, the last bastion of municipal electoral drama just ended... by drawing the name of a town's new mayor from a hat.

    As a bit of background, the mayorship had been won on the night of the election by one of the two candidates, by only one vote. The other candidate contested the victory, arguing that one of the ballots the poll-workers had rejected as void was actually a vote for him. The judge ruled to accept the ballot, creating a tie, which by law is broken by a random draw. And that's how the judge ended up picking the new mayor by drawing a name from a hat.

    What's more fascinating to me is the rejected ballot in question (spoiler'd for huge):
    resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgcm.omerlocdn.com%2Fproduction%2Fglobal%2Ffiles%2Fimage%2F2e2bd9f4-7c11-4608-8d94-cb8c2c6b7bca.jpg&width=1024&type=webp&stripmeta=true

    While I can accept the argument that we can reasonably infer the person intended to vote for Pouliot... what the hell? This is a textbook case of Murphy's Law. Who the hell looks at a ballot and decides this is the correct way to fill it out? That's notwithstanding the fact that poll workers give clear instructions on how to vote AND there's a massive visual instruction guide right in front of you in the isolation box. What, seriously what, must have been going through the head of the person who decided this was the correct way to fill a ballot?

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  • BlarghyBlarghy Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Here in the Province of Québec, the last bastion of municipal electoral drama just ended... by drawing the name of a town's new mayor from a hat.

    As a bit of background, the mayorship had been won on the night of the election by one of the two candidates, by only one vote. The other candidate contested the victory, arguing that one of the ballots the poll-workers had rejected as void was actually a vote for him. The judge ruled to accept the ballot, creating a tie, which by law is broken by a random draw. And that's how the judge ended up picking the new mayor by drawing a name from a hat.

    What's more fascinating to me is the rejected ballot in question (spoiler'd for huge):
    resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgcm.omerlocdn.com%2Fproduction%2Fglobal%2Ffiles%2Fimage%2F2e2bd9f4-7c11-4608-8d94-cb8c2c6b7bca.jpg&width=1024&type=webp&stripmeta=true

    While I can accept the argument that we can reasonably infer the person intended to vote for Pouliot... what the hell? This is a textbook case of Murphy's Law. Who the hell looks at a ballot and decides this is the correct way to fill it out? That's notwithstanding the fact that poll workers give clear instructions on how to vote AND there's a massive visual instruction guide right in front of you in the isolation box. What, seriously what, must have been going through the head of the person who decided this was the correct way to fill a ballot?

    Probably an elderly person with just a little bit of dementia, where they can still grasp the point of what they need to do but struggle with the process. I used to review forms for an assisted living senior's block and would constantly get kinda-but-holy-shit-why forms filled out like this all the time. They're usually so focused on keeping the task focused in their mind (I need to vote for Pouliot!), that all instructions, past knowledge, and context get crowded out to that one overriding focus.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Here in the Province of Québec, the last bastion of municipal electoral drama just ended... by drawing the name of a town's new mayor from a hat.

    As a bit of background, the mayorship had been won on the night of the election by one of the two candidates, by only one vote. The other candidate contested the victory, arguing that one of the ballots the poll-workers had rejected as void was actually a vote for him. The judge ruled to accept the ballot, creating a tie, which by law is broken by a random draw. And that's how the judge ended up picking the new mayor by drawing a name from a hat.

    What's more fascinating to me is the rejected ballot in question (spoiler'd for huge):
    resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgcm.omerlocdn.com%2Fproduction%2Fglobal%2Ffiles%2Fimage%2F2e2bd9f4-7c11-4608-8d94-cb8c2c6b7bca.jpg&width=1024&type=webp&stripmeta=true

    While I can accept the argument that we can reasonably infer the person intended to vote for Pouliot... what the hell? This is a textbook case of Murphy's Law. Who the hell looks at a ballot and decides this is the correct way to fill it out? That's notwithstanding the fact that poll workers give clear instructions on how to vote AND there's a massive visual instruction guide right in front of you in the isolation box. What, seriously what, must have been going through the head of the person who decided this was the correct way to fill a ballot?

    It's the kinda thing that really makes you glad they can vote.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Blarghy wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Here in the Province of Québec, the last bastion of municipal electoral drama just ended... by drawing the name of a town's new mayor from a hat.

    As a bit of background, the mayorship had been won on the night of the election by one of the two candidates, by only one vote. The other candidate contested the victory, arguing that one of the ballots the poll-workers had rejected as void was actually a vote for him. The judge ruled to accept the ballot, creating a tie, which by law is broken by a random draw. And that's how the judge ended up picking the new mayor by drawing a name from a hat.

    What's more fascinating to me is the rejected ballot in question (spoiler'd for huge):
    resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgcm.omerlocdn.com%2Fproduction%2Fglobal%2Ffiles%2Fimage%2F2e2bd9f4-7c11-4608-8d94-cb8c2c6b7bca.jpg&width=1024&type=webp&stripmeta=true

    While I can accept the argument that we can reasonably infer the person intended to vote for Pouliot... what the hell? This is a textbook case of Murphy's Law. Who the hell looks at a ballot and decides this is the correct way to fill it out? That's notwithstanding the fact that poll workers give clear instructions on how to vote AND there's a massive visual instruction guide right in front of you in the isolation box. What, seriously what, must have been going through the head of the person who decided this was the correct way to fill a ballot?

    Probably an elderly person with just a little bit of dementia, where they can still grasp the point of what they need to do but struggle with the process. I used to review forms for an assisted living senior's block and would constantly get kinda-but-holy-shit-why forms filled out like this all the time. They're usually so focused on keeping the task focused in their mind (I need to vote for Pouliot!), that all instructions, past knowledge, and context get crowded out to that one overriding focus.

    Was going to say something similar. It could easily be someone with an intellectual disability where, following a whole bunch of instructions in an unfamiliar place, etc etc is just too much to process. I'd actually be surprised if this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time.

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