Ok I guess watching the Tory party tear itself apart because it elected a psychotic narcissist could be fun over the next week or so.
I’ll have the main bbc news page up at work, just hitting refresh every 15 mins or so, just to see what’s happening now, as his little circle of supporters gets smaller and smaller.
I’m also hoping for some classic Nadine Doris craziness.
I’m anticipating a 3am drunken instagram video where she screams at people to leave Boris alone.
I’m also honestly fascinated with what she’ll do when he finally goes.
Is he demanding they perform an exorcism or something? What does this even mean? He is, as they say, having a very normal one.
Dipping their hands in Caesars blood (after betraying and murdering him) is a Shakespeare quote I think
Of course he quotes Shakespeare and of course he casts himself as Caesar in the play.
Its the kind of snobby elitist thing that screams I went to Eton and Oxford and studied the "classics"
Never mind that Shakespeare is the popular canon of western culture and Caesar is one of his most popular plays. Making the quote the equivalent of some Philosophy 101 acting like he is the first guy to have read The Republic.
Also the play may not frame it that way, but history proves Brutus was right, Caesar was trying to make himself king, if not in name then certainly with the powers of one. He was already turning the position of Dictator from a temporary elected one used in times of crisis to a permanent one with himself as the sole officer holder. Its telling that Kaiser and Tsar, the German and Russian word for Emperor, both derive from his name.
Brutus did nothing wrong!
(except making Julius Caesar a martyr).
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
I mean, even if the 1922 committee changes the rules, and he loses a second VONC - does he have to leave? Is there an actual mechanism to remove the PM if he refuses to resign? Or is it all based on assumed norms and behaviors?
A variation on that question - what happens if they vote him out, and just leaves the Tory party ?
I mean, even if the 1922 committee changes the rules, and he loses a second VONC - does he have to leave? Is there an actual mechanism to remove the PM if he refuses to resign? Or is it all based on assumed norms and behaviors?
A variation on that question - what happens if they vote him out, and just leaves the Tory party ?
Can he just become an Independent PM ?
Or would it automatically trigger an election ?
Prime minister is the leader of the party with the most seats in the HoC so I don't think he can just refuse to stop being prime minister even after a no confidence vote goes against him.
Granted "I don't think he can do that" hasn't stopped him in the past.
They secretly played D&D at every cabinet meeting.
Gove was a half-Orc warlock.
Michael "the Snake" Gove, of the Two White Towers.
Though I also like the parable of the snake and toad.
Once upon a time there lived several creatures on a river bank. One day it rained and rained and all their burrows would be drowned. Sensing peril the snake bit the toad, saying "Lol, remember when I did this before just as you thought you were going to cross that river",
"You fucking fuck! Again! Choke on my poisonous flesh!" said the Toad, suffocating the snake to death as the waters rose.
There should be a morale to this story, but this isn't the kind of Government for that kind of thing.
Sorry, I meant to say that the Department for Levelling Up is the Government's Flagship post Brexit policy. Bringing the same infrastructure and opportunity that London has to the more Northern cities as a benefit of Brex..ah I'm choking on racid toadflesh and can't breathe.
Unconfirmed reports that Larry the cat has resigned.
That is obviously fake. Larry is a civil servant. You know one of those that actually does the work in Number 10.
He was there when BoJo arrived and he will see him off when he leaves.
And if has left a dead mouse in his teacup and a poo in his slippers well that is just Larry providing a progress report on rodent extermination and waste removal policy.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
Well I guess at least we got our free trade deal with y'all done before the Trade Envoy resigned.
To be fair, it would be entirely par for the course if there were some issue with that paperwork, and now everything about the agreement is invalid due to something nonsensical.
Well I guess at least we got our free trade deal with y'all done before the Trade Envoy resigned.
To be fair, it would be entirely par for the course if there were some issue with that paperwork, and now everything about the agreement is invalid due to something nonsensical.
Hope there was a suitable Errors and Omissions (“Grayling”) clause
Well I guess at least we got our free trade deal with y'all done before the Trade Envoy resigned.
To be fair, it would be entirely par for the course if there were some issue with that paperwork, and now everything about the agreement is invalid due to something nonsensical.
Free trade in 30mins, or your order is (tax) free from what I remember of Graylings signature fine print.
I mean, even if the 1922 committee changes the rules, and he loses a second VONC - does he have to leave? Is there an actual mechanism to remove the PM if he refuses to resign? Or is it all based on assumed norms and behaviors?
A variation on that question - what happens if they vote him out, and just leaves the Tory party ?
Can he just become an Independent PM ?
Or would it automatically trigger an election ?
The PM serves at the Queen's pleasure. By convention, she picks the person who commands the confidence of parliament. If that person loses a vote of no confidence, they don't have the confidence of parliament. The Queen then picks someone who she believes could command the confidence of parliament (which could happen if the Conservatives pick a new interim leader) or, if that person doesn't exist, she can dissolve parliament in order to hold a general election to find that person.
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Interregnum is definitely a thing but probably wouldn't have any real effect in the UK where the Queen doesn't actually do anything and where the secession is well known and already planned.
My vote is still on Johnson staying PM for an improbable amount of time afterwards, after which he holes himself up in 10 Downing Street and is forcibly taken from the place. As he’s dragged away, he’ll be in a continuous, nonsensical, unhinged rant about how he’ll never step down and nobody can make him leave and all of this is so unfair, etc. And for the next Tory in charge to be someone equally as batshit. And then the Tories win the next election.
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well i mean if the tories all resign from the boris party we can simply step in and become the new tories
boris doesnt care about policy we just do what we want so long as we ok as many flat renovations as he wants
The PM serves at the Queen's pleasure. By convention, she picks the person who commands the confidence of parliament. If that person loses a vote of no confidence, they don't have the confidence of parliament. The Queen then picks someone who she believes could command the confidence of parliament (which could happen if the Conservatives pick a new interim leader) or, if that person doesn't exist, she can dissolve parliament in order to hold a general election to find that person.
An example from Canadian politics: back in 2008, the country had been under a Conservative minority government (the Tories had the most seats, but less than 50%). The Liberals and NDP came to an agreement to form a coalition government, with the support of the Bloc Québécois. They informed the Governor General (Canadian stand-in for the Queen), and scheduled a non-confidence vote. If the vote had happened, MPs from the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc would have voted non-confidence in the current government, and the Governor General would have asked someone else to try to form a government. (They would have asked the Liberal party leader, as they had the stated support of over 50% of the House of Commons.)
(Unfortunately in that example, the Tories called for an emergency prorogue of Parliament, and then ran a propaganda blitz during the recess that successfully convinced the Canadian electorate that it was some sort of nefarious coup.)
In the case of Johnson, if Conservatives remove him as party leader he's still PM until such time as the House of Commons holds a non-confidence vote. At such time, he'd be out, and whoever the new party leader was would be asked to form a government.
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these numbers should be fatal assuming basic logic
in principle makes 1922 committee job v easy
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Oh good, all conservatives need is principle. That doesn't bode for anything...
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i meant more the principle of "assuming cons always do cowardly thing" i would never dare imply a conservative politician has a principle, consistent ideology, single thought imbued with clarity etc
i recall a wag commenting "in the cabinet a shiver is looking for a spine to run down"
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Re; Johnson and Tory resignations - I am skimming news articles and this thread, but what's been the catalyst for all this? Seems quite random at a glance compared to the last bunch of years. Is it the 100billion pounds a year story?
Re; Johnson and Tory resignations - I am skimming news articles and this thread, but what's been the catalyst for all this? Seems quite random at a glance compared to the last bunch of years. Is it the 100billion pounds a year story?
The straw that broke the camel’s back was ostensibly the handling of Pincher. Lying to avoid responsibility, trotting colleagues out to repeat the lie on the media circuit, and then having the lie exposed with evidence within hours. AGAIN.
Re; Johnson and Tory resignations - I am skimming news articles and this thread, but what's been the catalyst for all this? Seems quite random at a glance compared to the last bunch of years. Is it the 100billion pounds a year story?
It's the straw breaking the camel's back. Eight months of stories about Tory corruption and sleeze and disregard for rules, chiefly reports of socially intimate parties during Covid, and the public has expressed their displeasure in byelections. Boris had promised this was the end of it and he'd turn things around. Then it cam out he knew about and didn't act on allegations of one of his whips' sexual harrassment. So most of the party have concluded he'll never change and the next election will be a disaster if he's around.
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I presume Zelensky will be getting the aircraft carriers out of this
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They secretly played D&D at every cabinet meeting.
Gove was a half-Orc warlock.
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Until a patch nerfed dot scaling and then he created failthereum?
I’ll have the main bbc news page up at work, just hitting refresh every 15 mins or so, just to see what’s happening now, as his little circle of supporters gets smaller and smaller.
I’m also hoping for some classic Nadine Doris craziness.
I’m anticipating a 3am drunken instagram video where she screams at people to leave Boris alone.
I’m also honestly fascinated with what she’ll do when he finally goes.
Of course he quotes Shakespeare and of course he casts himself as Caesar in the play.
Its the kind of snobby elitist thing that screams I went to Eton and Oxford and studied the "classics"
Never mind that Shakespeare is the popular canon of western culture and Caesar is one of his most popular plays. Making the quote the equivalent of some Philosophy 101 acting like he is the first guy to have read The Republic.
Also the play may not frame it that way, but history proves Brutus was right, Caesar was trying to make himself king, if not in name then certainly with the powers of one. He was already turning the position of Dictator from a temporary elected one used in times of crisis to a permanent one with himself as the sole officer holder. Its telling that Kaiser and Tsar, the German and Russian word for Emperor, both derive from his name.
Brutus did nothing wrong!
(except making Julius Caesar a martyr).
A variation on that question - what happens if they vote him out, and just leaves the Tory party ?
Can he just become an Independent PM ?
Or would it automatically trigger an election ?
Prime minister is the leader of the party with the most seats in the HoC so I don't think he can just refuse to stop being prime minister even after a no confidence vote goes against him.
Granted "I don't think he can do that" hasn't stopped him in the past.
They’re the department for lying about investing in the North, to win a lot of seats last election, then failing to deliver on anything.
Michael "the Snake" Gove, of the Two White Towers.
Though I also like the parable of the snake and toad.
Once upon a time there lived several creatures on a river bank. One day it rained and rained and all their burrows would be drowned. Sensing peril the snake bit the toad, saying "Lol, remember when I did this before just as you thought you were going to cross that river",
"You fucking fuck! Again! Choke on my poisonous flesh!" said the Toad, suffocating the snake to death as the waters rose.
There should be a morale to this story, but this isn't the kind of Government for that kind of thing.
Sorry, I meant to say that the Department for Levelling Up is the Government's Flagship post Brexit policy. Bringing the same infrastructure and opportunity that London has to the more Northern cities as a benefit of Brex..ah I'm choking on racid toadflesh and can't breathe.
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That is obviously fake. Larry is a civil servant. You know one of those that actually does the work in Number 10.
He was there when BoJo arrived and he will see him off when he leaves.
And if has left a dead mouse in his teacup and a poo in his slippers well that is just Larry providing a progress report on rodent extermination and waste removal policy.
To be fair, it would be entirely par for the course if there were some issue with that paperwork, and now everything about the agreement is invalid due to something nonsensical.
Hope there was a suitable Errors and Omissions (“Grayling”) clause
Free trade in 30mins, or your order is (tax) free from what I remember of Graylings signature fine print.
The PM serves at the Queen's pleasure. By convention, she picks the person who commands the confidence of parliament. If that person loses a vote of no confidence, they don't have the confidence of parliament. The Queen then picks someone who she believes could command the confidence of parliament (which could happen if the Conservatives pick a new interim leader) or, if that person doesn't exist, she can dissolve parliament in order to hold a general election to find that person.
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The British Government can remain irrational longer than the thread can remain solvent.
boris doesnt care about policy we just do what we want so long as we ok as many flat renovations as he wants
opportunity knocks...
An example from Canadian politics: back in 2008, the country had been under a Conservative minority government (the Tories had the most seats, but less than 50%). The Liberals and NDP came to an agreement to form a coalition government, with the support of the Bloc Québécois. They informed the Governor General (Canadian stand-in for the Queen), and scheduled a non-confidence vote. If the vote had happened, MPs from the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc would have voted non-confidence in the current government, and the Governor General would have asked someone else to try to form a government. (They would have asked the Liberal party leader, as they had the stated support of over 50% of the House of Commons.)
(Unfortunately in that example, the Tories called for an emergency prorogue of Parliament, and then ran a propaganda blitz during the recess that successfully convinced the Canadian electorate that it was some sort of nefarious coup.)
In the case of Johnson, if Conservatives remove him as party leader he's still PM until such time as the House of Commons holds a non-confidence vote. At such time, he'd be out, and whoever the new party leader was would be asked to form a government.
these numbers should be fatal assuming basic logic
in principle makes 1922 committee job v easy
i recall a wag commenting "in the cabinet a shiver is looking for a spine to run down"
I'd like to thank the BBC for reminding me how good the London Grammar cover of Bitter Sweet Symphony is
Ok now he’s resigned.
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The straw that broke the camel’s back was ostensibly the handling of Pincher. Lying to avoid responsibility, trotting colleagues out to repeat the lie on the media circuit, and then having the lie exposed with evidence within hours. AGAIN.
It's the straw breaking the camel's back. Eight months of stories about Tory corruption and sleeze and disregard for rules, chiefly reports of socially intimate parties during Covid, and the public has expressed their displeasure in byelections. Boris had promised this was the end of it and he'd turn things around. Then it cam out he knew about and didn't act on allegations of one of his whips' sexual harrassment. So most of the party have concluded he'll never change and the next election will be a disaster if he's around.
Boris will be advising him on how to write his letter of last resort