Maybe Boris does think he's about to lose his job if he's taking his last chance to sack Gove while he can? It's probably the reason he gave him a job in the first place!
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
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Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Twitter commentary was referencing the Lascelles Principles as potentially in play as justification for the Queen to refuse dissolution.
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Probably one of those things that's not been tested? From what I've seen the PM has the final say on when to go to the Queen not parliament, the Queen can in theory tell him to get fucked but she would kick off a constitutional crisis.
To any Americans just joining us: a right-wing bigot with stupid hair is refusing to give up his position as leader of the country. The reason we find this amusing instead of terrifying is because you can't buy AK-47s in supermarkets here.
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Twitter commentary was referencing the Lascelles Principles as potentially in play as justification for the Queen to refuse dissolution.
Ah, cool. If they're indeed being applied, then "finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons" seems like it would fit the situation of the Prime Minister facing internal confidence/leadership issues.
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Probably one of those things that's not been tested? From what I've seen the PM has the final say on when to go to the Queen not parliament, the Queen can in theory tell him to get fucked but she would kick off a constitutional crisis.
Imagine the Queen going on telly, telling Johnson to get fucked, then dying
The last act of her reign being to fuck it up for Charles
[Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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Boris Johnson now confronted with news that Zahawi, Shapps, Hart et al will be waiting for him in Downing Street telling him to go. “So you say,” he retorts. This is excruciating.
Rowena Mason is deputy political editor at the Guardian.
In theory, he could just say "no", couldn't he? And suddenly announce a substantial reshuffle...
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I mean, even if the 1922 committee changes the rules, and he loses a second VONC - does he have to leave? Is there an actual mechanism to remove the PM if he refuses to resign? Or is it all based on assumed norms and behaviors?
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Probably one of those things that's not been tested? From what I've seen the PM has the final say on when to go to the Queen not parliament, the Queen can in theory tell him to get fucked but she would kick off a constitutional crisis.
Imagine the Queen going on telly, telling Johnson to get fucked, then dying
The last act of her reign being to fuck it up for Charles
What happens if those two incidents happen in reverse?
Should she pass before a dissolution of the government is called, what's the requisite length of time before the coronation? Is there a mourning period first (for during peacetime), or does Charles get the hat the next day?
Because I can absolutely see Boris being the kind of craven shit that would try to hang out long enough that that buys him some more time, if there's a significant period of absence in the monarchy.
I shall refuse on the beaches, I shall refuse on the landing grounds, I shall refuse in the fields and in the streets, I shall refuse in the hills; I shall never resign.
Is the party actually willing to force him to go if he keeps on going "nuh uh"?
At present the backbench committee that can change the rules to allow another vote of no confidence is having the executive elected on Monday. It’s expected the new executive will agree to the changes and another vote will follow shortly after.
The timetable may speed up, I suppose, but we are absolutely in uncharted waters right now and no one knows what will happen.
As extraordinary as today has been, the reality of a serving member of the Cabinet, live on air, saying the Prime Minister should resign (whilst they themselves choose to remain in Government) is incredible.
I mean, even if the 1922 committee changes the rules, and he loses a second VONC - does he have to leave? Is there an actual mechanism to remove the PM if he refuses to resign? Or is it all based on assumed norms and behaviors?
If he ceases to lead his party, then he's not Prime Minister any more.
Is he demanding they perform an exorcism or something? What does this even mean? He is, as they say, having a very normal one.
I mean, I'm sure many of his "colleagues" would happily jump at the chance to literally stab him in the back. As long as they weren't left holding the knife.
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Probably one of those things that's not been tested? From what I've seen the PM has the final say on when to go to the Queen not parliament, the Queen can in theory tell him to get fucked but she would kick off a constitutional crisis.
Imagine the Queen going on telly, telling Johnson to get fucked, then dying
The last act of her reign being to fuck it up for Charles
What happens if those two incidents happen in reverse?
I think the Queen dying and THEN going on telly telling Johnson to get fucked would be sufficiently stunning as to give Johnson a bit of a reprieve.
I shall refuse on the beaches, I shall refuse on the landing grounds, I shall refuse in the fields and in the streets, I shall refuse in the hills; I shall never resign.
Where does the line "and remember that you can always take one with you" come into play?
Not having trouble, they just can't as they all said no and the whips were all "yeah, fair enough, probably the right choice".
He's caretaker PM til the new one is elected isn't he, and not supposed to do introduce any major legislation but I do wonder if he'll just defy that convention and call an election if they oust him knowing he has supporters and literally all the other parties would be desperate for it to happen. Force his replacement to fight it and then come when it's an inevitable loss, point out that he had an 80 point majority. Or do elections have to be very close to when they are called for? You can't just set a date for late August, early Sep once you know who's going to be next?
GE's are held 25 days after the queen dissolves parliament. Assuming she just does it as soon as she's asked you can more or less pick your date.
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Probably one of those things that's not been tested? From what I've seen the PM has the final say on when to go to the Queen not parliament, the Queen can in theory tell him to get fucked but she would kick off a constitutional crisis.
Imagine the Queen going on telly, telling Johnson to get fucked, then dying
The last act of her reign being to fuck it up for Charles
What happens if those two incidents happen in reverse?
Should she pass before a dissolution of the government is called, what's the requisite length of time before the coronation? Is there a mourning period first (for during peacetime), or does Charles get the hat the next day?
Because I can absolutely see Boris being the kind of craven shit that would try to hang out long enough that that buys him some more time, if there's a significant period of absence in the monarchy.
Sede Vacante is only really a thing for Popes, because the Catholic Church is technically the world's oldest democracy. (just with very restricted suffrage) There's a reason the saying is: The King is dead; long live the King. Not: The King is dead; somebody hire an event planner.
Interregnum is definitely a thing but probably wouldn't have any real effect in the UK where the Queen doesn't actually do anything and where the secession is well known and already planned.
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Interregnum is definitely a thing but probably wouldn't have any real effect in the UK where the Queen doesn't actually do anything and where the secession is well known and already planned.
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get some genealogy diagrams and letters from 1500 out of a box and go to court, see how long i can gum it up (or become king)
Interregnum is definitely a thing but probably wouldn't have any real effect in the UK where the Queen doesn't actually do anything and where the secession is well known and already planned.
I mean, even if the 1922 committee changes the rules, and he loses a second VONC - does he have to leave? Is there an actual mechanism to remove the PM if he refuses to resign? Or is it all based on assumed norms and behaviors?
If he loses a VONC and still refuses to leave we're in the territory of the police dragging him out the building. The conservative party won the last election so if he isn't the leader of the conservatives anymore he can't be PM unless he holds and wins another election with his own party.
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Interregnum is definitely a thing but probably wouldn't have any real effect in the UK where the Queen doesn't actually do anything and where the secession is well known and already planned.
im gonna jump in with a claim just to spice it up
get some genealogy diagrams and letters from 1500 out of a box and go to court, see how long i can gum it up (or become king)
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Michael Gove, you say? Surely not. Who could have foreseen etc
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Maybe Boris does think he's about to lose his job if he's taking his last chance to sack Gove while he can? It's probably the reason he gave him a job in the first place!
I'm actually curious how the PM calling a GE would interact with his party's attempt to oust him? Is there a certain point (before he loses) where his power to call one is suspended? Or would the Queen just see what's brewing and let that resolve first?
Twitter commentary was referencing the Lascelles Principles as potentially in play as justification for the Queen to refuse dissolution.
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Probably one of those things that's not been tested? From what I've seen the PM has the final say on when to go to the Queen not parliament, the Queen can in theory tell him to get fucked but she would kick off a constitutional crisis.
Ah, cool. If they're indeed being applied, then "finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons" seems like it would fit the situation of the Prime Minister facing internal confidence/leadership issues.
Imagine the Queen going on telly, telling Johnson to get fucked, then dying
The last act of her reign being to fuck it up for Charles
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Guess I didn't need to sleep tonight anyway.
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Holy shit, What a fucking loser !
And I say that as someone that lived under Trump.
Plus Gove.
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What happens if those two incidents happen in reverse?
Should she pass before a dissolution of the government is called, what's the requisite length of time before the coronation? Is there a mourning period first (for during peacetime), or does Charles get the hat the next day?
Because I can absolutely see Boris being the kind of craven shit that would try to hang out long enough that that buys him some more time, if there's a significant period of absence in the monarchy.
At present the backbench committee that can change the rules to allow another vote of no confidence is having the executive elected on Monday. It’s expected the new executive will agree to the changes and another vote will follow shortly after.
The timetable may speed up, I suppose, but we are absolutely in uncharted waters right now and no one knows what will happen.
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This is only 15 minutes old and it's already out of date. (tweet is a spreadsheet of the resignations of the day by a sky news producer)
Is he demanding they perform an exorcism or something? What does this even mean? He is, as they say, having a very normal one.
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As extraordinary as today has been, the reality of a serving member of the Cabinet, live on air, saying the Prime Minister should resign (whilst they themselves choose to remain in Government) is incredible.
If he ceases to lead his party, then he's not Prime Minister any more.
Dipping their hands in Caesars blood (after betraying and murdering him) is a Shakespeare quote I think
If needs must.
He is saying they will have to murder him.
I mean, I'm sure many of his "colleagues" would happily jump at the chance to literally stab him in the back. As long as they weren't left holding the knife.
Where does the line "and remember that you can always take one with you" come into play?
Sede Vacante is only really a thing for Popes, because the Catholic Church is technically the world's oldest democracy. (just with very restricted suffrage) There's a reason the saying is: The King is dead; long live the King. Not: The King is dead; somebody hire an event planner.
im gonna jump in with a claim just to spice it up
get some genealogy diagrams and letters from 1500 out of a box and go to court, see how long i can gum it up (or become king)
If he loses a VONC and still refuses to leave we're in the territory of the police dragging him out the building. The conservative party won the last election so if he isn't the leader of the conservatives anymore he can't be PM unless he holds and wins another election with his own party.
even when he wins people flame him its hard out there for a keir
aww that's not benny hill
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