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[Trump Criminal Exposure] INDICTED! AGAIN! This time, it's D.C.
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This thread is for any and all crimes, their investigations, and any trials/consequences thereof, of criminal actions by Trump, that pertain to his time as President.
Not his business exposure, that goes here for most of those...
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/240686/trump-org-s-business-is-criming-and-business-is-good
Except his sexual assault crimes, which go here...
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/227164/the-former-president-of-the-united-states-was-credibly-accused-of-rape-again
Nor the insurrection, at least as long as the J6 Committee thread is concluded, found here...
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/245068/january-6th-committees-investigation-into-the-gops-attempted-coup
The key one this is focusing on, is the illegal handling of documents, but should anything else crop up that isn't suited to those threads, then it's definitely something that can go here.
If you need a refresher, here's the OP that explains the basic outline of the NARA case against Trump.
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/243564/trump-criminal-exposure-2-many-crimes-2-many-coverups
The latest news was posted by ArcTangent on the last page of the previous thread.
"Breaking News: Attorney General Merrick Garland will name a special counsel to take over two major criminal investigations involving Donald Trump."
- New York Times is a newspaper.
Just a reminder, ESPECIALLY with Twitter in the shitter for the foreseeable future, please make sure to copypasta the content of a tweet, as well as the source, for if Twitter permanently goes tits up. But also embeds don't work at the best of times.
Final note, I doubt many here think that Trump is guaranteed to be charged, let alone convicted, let alone spend appreciable time in custody. But can we keep the pessimism to a minimum, especially posts that are just "Nothings going to happen, nothing will ever happen, eat at Arbys" nihilism. If Trump fully skates on all charges, and faces no consequence, I'll listen to you tell me you told me so then.
Not his business exposure, that goes here for most of those...
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/240686/trump-org-s-business-is-criming-and-business-is-good
Except his sexual assault crimes, which go here...
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/227164/the-former-president-of-the-united-states-was-credibly-accused-of-rape-again
Nor the insurrection, at least as long as the J6 Committee thread is concluded, found here...
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/245068/january-6th-committees-investigation-into-the-gops-attempted-coup
The key one this is focusing on, is the illegal handling of documents, but should anything else crop up that isn't suited to those threads, then it's definitely something that can go here.
If you need a refresher, here's the OP that explains the basic outline of the NARA case against Trump.
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/243564/trump-criminal-exposure-2-many-crimes-2-many-coverups
The latest news was posted by ArcTangent on the last page of the previous thread.
ArcTangent wrote: »Garland is appointing a special counsel to determine if Trump should be indicted.
As if the answer wasn't obviously yes already, though I am seeing the more legal types saying that this is an overt escalation (ie a good thing and a strong move towards indictment), and that the special counsel is someone who specializes in war crimes and internal affairs (eg prosecuted a CIA official who leaked intelligence). But it's also CYA and stalling, and the right wing doesn't give a shit about being impartial.
"Breaking News: Attorney General Merrick Garland will name a special counsel to take over two major criminal investigations involving Donald Trump."
- New York Times is a newspaper.
Just a reminder, ESPECIALLY with Twitter in the shitter for the foreseeable future, please make sure to copypasta the content of a tweet, as well as the source, for if Twitter permanently goes tits up. But also embeds don't work at the best of times.
Final note, I doubt many here think that Trump is guaranteed to be charged, let alone convicted, let alone spend appreciable time in custody. But can we keep the pessimism to a minimum, especially posts that are just "Nothings going to happen, nothing will ever happen, eat at Arbys" nihilism. If Trump fully skates on all charges, and faces no consequence, I'll listen to you tell me you told me so then.
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Tweet is a video clip from the special counsel announcement. Really playing with my emotions where they cutoff the quite though.
Idea is that to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, as Trump is now a Political opponent in a presidential election, a special counsel has been named as a buffer for the Biden AG.
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The appointment of a special counsel doesn't mean shit is going to actually happen. Wake me when he's actually indicted, I'm done hyping myself up based on delusions that the system will save itself.
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Make a report with a heavy "recommendation" that will be summarily ignored?
Different cases. Different evidence. Worlds of difference. No good faith reason whatsoever to try to compare the two.
He’s empowered to prosecute.
Special Counsel, not Special Master:
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-28/chapter-VI/part-600
should honestly be two prosecutors, two cases
I did not know that. Well, here's to hoping, then.
Though even that feels like hoping too much.
He's got alarmingly little time though.
At least throw some investigations at Barr, for fuck's sake.
How much time do you need for the documents case? Trump had them when he shouldn't, delayed returning them several times and openly says he wants them back.
A dozen of his associates/appointees went to prison.
Incrimination rolls off him like water off a duck.
In this case I’m inclined to believe an indictment is likely because they don’t want their indictment coming directly from the incumbent Presidents DOJ.
There’d be no other reason to do this if they didn’t think they were going to prosecute.
While I'm hopeful you're right, I can see a fairly simple reason why you might be wrong.
If they're not going to prosecute, making it clear it was "out of their hands" would be a reason to hand it off.
A Biden DOJ that refused to indict a clearly guilty (based on publicly available admissions by the guilty party) would be absolutely pilloried, and rightly so.
Putting a degree of separation in there would offer some level of deniability.
Again, hoping for it being to deflect the bad faith bullshit of the GOP (which is still coming, because bad faith fuckery is their only defence), but not ruling out the other option either.
I think Biden is trying to find his way to an indictment.
Yeah, I think if you look at stuff like the Jan 6th committee and what they found and how the DOJ was surprised, you get the picture that a lot of Democrats, maybe including Biden, are eyeballing the DOJ like "Maybe do something guys" but generally not being explicit about this because the DOJ is supposed to be independent.
I mean if we are being super cynical Realpolitik. An indictment of Trump is something that helps Joe Biden. And honestly helps the democrats. The special investigator allows himself to distance himself from the backlash.
Didn't the new Republican house start by investigating Hunter Biden's laptop?
House doesn't change hands until January.
"I personally think that they probably have the basis for legitimately indicting [Trump]" -- Bill Barr
- Aaron Rupar is an independent journalist, the quote is from a clip of an interview he gave on CNN.
He gives some weasel shit answers after that, but it's clear where he is on the legal side of things.
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I do.
If he's able to seriously (and bindingly?) offer to not run for public office again, I wonder how Biden or DoJ would handle that.
He can’t just say that. If he did, they’d just tell him to show up for hearings and actually answer questions rather than taking the 5th.
I think that's a moot question.
Everything out of Trump's mouth is a lie.
I guess I'm talking about the classified document theft. The clock's about to run out on the committee supoena.
The only way that'd work is if he delivered the senate votes for a conviction on impeachment. Trump won't be doing that.
Care to elaborate? I think it's clear the doubters don't think Trump will face indictment and as that is everyone's primary concern, does this mean you do think he'll face indictment?
To be fair, the "doubters" as you've termed them have doubted the possibility of literally every single thing ever that's ever happened to Trump and his associates happening at every opportunity, at all times, forever.
I do not think this step would be taken to just have nothing happen after.
Of course for the document theft, not for anything else
Just adding clarity that Barr is referencing the most obvious, straightforward, caught him in the act, proven he has illegal information crime