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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] - This Place Is Not A Place Of Honour

BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is MandatoryRegistered User regular
This is a thread for discussing politics relating to England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Eire, and a number of other smaller islands nearby or not so nearby.

~9,000 years ago it was connected to Europe via a landbridge called Doggerland. Many of us wish it still were today.

...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    There an over/under on the number of PM's that will be in office over the course of this thread? I'm going with three.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

    People are muttering about Prince Harry I guess

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

    People are muttering about Prince Harry I guess

    It's genuinly frustrating that with everything going on that keeps taking headlines. Honestly who gives a shit about a bunch of rich people drama? It's all tabloid clickbait bullshit to distract people from everything going wrong.

    NHS collapsing? Civil liberties being revoked? Cost of living crisis? Never mind any of that boring shit Harry had a scuffle with his brother and you can read all about it in his new book. What a hero.

  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    It does feel a bit like the Tories are more scared of being even seen to discuss pay with the unions, by their base, than of the national consequences of not dealing with them. I can't really make sense of Sunak's response.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    As if by magic the guardian live feed put up some stuff about the government's own impact assessment of the proposed anti strike (aka minimum service level or MSL) legislation

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/jan/06/chief-nurses-union-government-pay-rail-strikes-rishi-sunak-live

    Edit: looks like I can't link directly to it, it's in the stream at 14:04

    They quote from the report:
    In the event that staff do lose their jobs as a result of failing to report for work when rostered to cover for MSLs, an unintended consequence could be that if a material number of workers have their employment terminated then employers may find that they are low on staff to run normal services if the situation becomes extreme.

    ...

    A similar risk is an increased frequency of strikes following a minimum service level being agreed. This would reduce the overall impact of the policy as although service levels would likely be higher than the baseline, it could mean that an increased number of strikes could ultimately result in more adverse impacts in the long term.

    There are also difficulties with its compatibility with the ECHR, apparently

    japan on
  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Casual wrote: »
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

    People are muttering about Prince Harry I guess

    As I saw so beautifully put on Facebook (or Twitter, I forget) the other day:

    You see, the thing about Harry and Meghan is that Prince Andrew is still a sexual predator.

    Jazz on
  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

    People are muttering about Prince Harry I guess

    As I saw so beautifully put on Facebook (or Twitter, I forget) the other day:

    You see, the thing about Harry and Meghan is that Prince Andrew is still a sexual predator.

    Harry and Meghan didn't use nearly 8 million of public funds to pay someone they hadn't ever met to keep quiet for a year so.. clearly they're the real threat to the Royal Family.

    The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin
  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

    People are muttering about Prince Harry I guess

    As I saw so beautifully put on Facebook (or Twitter, I forget) the other day:

    You see, the thing about Harry and Meghan is that Prince Andrew is still a sexual predator.

    And if we put him on trial and send him to prison we can just stop talking about him too!

  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    Eh, the Harry things is just dumb and petty. Also the idea that Harry the rugged soldier rugby player was somehow bodied by the wet noodle that is William is ludicrous. Whole thing is drama for dramas sake and sales. Also airing dirty laundry and then saying you would love a reprochment? My dude, you are never getting another Christmas card.

    Sunak said one true thing - things won't get better in 2023. He's right, no election in 2023...

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    New year, new thread. I wonder what disasters and scandals will fill the next 100 pages?

    People are muttering about Prince Harry I guess

    As I saw so beautifully put on Facebook (or Twitter, I forget) the other day:

    You see, the thing about Harry and Meghan is that Prince Andrew is still a sexual predator.

    And if we put him on trial and send him to prison we can just stop talking about him too!

    It's so crazy it might just work!

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    ~9,000 years ago it was connected to Europe via a landbridge called Doggerland. Many of us wish it still were today.

    When does the Eurostar concession run out on the tunnel?

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Eh, the Harry things is just dumb and petty. Also the idea that Harry the rugged soldier rugby player was somehow bodied by the wet noodle that is William is ludicrous. Whole thing is drama for dramas sake and sales. Also airing dirty laundry and then saying you would love a reprochment? My dude, you are never getting another Christmas card.

    Sunak said one true thing - things won't get better in 2023. He's right, no election in 2023...

    Wait, what?

    I've wilfully ignored the story, just seeing the clickbaity headlines.

    I just assumed the physical bullying was from when they were children, when the relative ages would have been a big factor.

    This happened as adults?

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    In other news it appears that everyone's favourite child hating crank has stepped down as social mobility czar having found that staying in the position means facing criticism from people that aren't children

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/06/katharine-birbalsingh-quits-as-the-governments-social-mobility-chair

    japan on
  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    They had a fight, or more accurately Will seemingly attacked him in an argument

    Which tbh is really shitty! Maybe he shouldn't be King one day! Oh well I guess there's literally nothing that can be done to hold them accountable

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    I kind of exempt the royals from my usual stance of "celebrities are entitled to a private life" because in this case them not getting to have a private life is like, the point

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    I kind of exempt the royals from my usual stance of "celebrities are entitled to a private life" because in this case them not getting to have a private life is like, the point

    I feel like I'm entitled to not know about every aspect of their private life against my will though.

  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    I kind of exempt the royals from my usual stance of "celebrities are entitled to a private life" because in this case them not getting to have a private life is like, the point

    I feel like I'm entitled to not know about every aspect of their private life against my will though.

    yeah the breathless beat by beat chapter by chapter drip feed of this book and the netflix thing on the news before xmas has been exhausting

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-strikes-pay-steve-barclay-b2258719.html
    NHS staff have to work harder to ‘justify’ more pay, Steve Barclay tells furious unions

    This seems like a bad thing for the health secretary to say

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Okay, but the government has to pass 30% more laws if they want me to keep paying taxes.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-strikes-pay-steve-barclay-b2258719.html
    NHS staff have to work harder to ‘justify’ more pay, Steve Barclay tells furious unions

    This seems like a bad thing for the health secretary to say

    "We love out nurses, they did a tremendous job under hellish conditions for years.

    But it's not enough, we want more."

    Like teaching, they're really relying on these people having a "calling" for their careers.

    Because the shitty pay, conditions and regular abuse, on top of the quite significant training and licensing requirements, would have anyone who didn't care about being "of service" to their patients/students, would just bail.

  • CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    It's weird how comfortable these people are with gutting an institution that they or their families will likely need to save their lives one day. Sure, most of them can pay for private care for non-urgent stuff, but if they have a heart attack or get into a car accident then their lives will be in the hands of exhausted and understaffed emergency staff. I guess they just don't imagine that it will happen to them...

    But I don't mind, as long as there's a bed beneath the stars that shine,
    I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    That's just such a brazenly offensive statement.



    Meanwhile Boris is getting memoryholed.

  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Shapps has issued a fantastic defence that he just didn't notice that Boris had vanished from the picture. Nice to know our government representatives are so attentive to detail.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    The funnies swiftly followed.

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    We need one of Marty McFly seeing Boris disappear from the photo.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    In black and white, with Stalin.

  • fedaykin666fedaykin666 Registered User regular
    How much of this money for Tory MP chums would we need to cover an inflation wage increase?

    https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-names-of-those-who-referred-covid-testing-firms-into-the-vip-lane/

  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    How much of this money for Tory MP chums would we need to cover an inflation wage increase?

    https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-names-of-those-who-referred-covid-testing-firms-into-the-vip-lane/

    Man, that's a wonderful setup. Take OptiGene which is mentioned in that article. It landed a COVID contract that increased their net profit by 1221% from the prior year.

    So taking a look at their most recent audited financial statements ending November 30, 2021. They have one admin employee that they pay roughly £12,000. And it also mentions that their directors serve without remuneration. Yea I'm sure.

    But wait, they also issued dividends in that fiscal year. £8,720,000 in dividends in fact, with only 888 shares indicated. Okay, well who owns the shares? Well those would be the only two officers of the organization, who each own 25-49% of voting shares.

    One contract and now both officers of the company are £2.18m to £4.35m richer.

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Andrew Bridgen suspended as Tory MP over Covid vaccine comments
    Andrew Bridgen has been suspended as a Conservative MP for spreading misinformation about Covid vaccination.

    It comes after the North West Leicestershire MP posted a tweet that compared vaccines to the Holocaust.

    ...

    Posting a link to an article on vaccines earlier, he added: "As one consultant cardiologist said to me, this is the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust."

    ...

    Andrew Bridgen was previously critical of policies like lockdown and the idea of vaccine mandates - but he praised the development of the Covid vaccine, and tweeted proudly when he received his doses.

    It wasn't until last autumn that he began to make increasingly baseless claims, including that the vaccines were killing many people and that the damage was being covered up.

    Additional, from Guardian story:
    Tweeting a graph from Zero Hedge, a libertarian and conspiracy theory website, which purported to show the health risks from Covid vaccines, Bridgen wrote: “As one consultant cardiologist said to me this is the biggest crime against humanity since the holocaust.”

    ...

    Bridgen, an MP since 2010, is currently serving a five-day suspension from the Commons for a separate issue after he was found to have breached rules on paid lobbying and declaring interests.

    Bridgen was found to have repeatedly broken the MPs’ code of conduct by a cross-party committee, which endorsed findings from Kathryn Stone, the parliamentary commissioner for standards. He was unsuccessful in an attempt to overturn the recommendation in December and a motion was approved by parliament on Monday.

    Jazz on
  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Ah straight to the Holocaust. Because if you're not denying it you can at least make sure that you suffer at least as bad as the Jews.

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    The worst thing is that removing the whip from him is just going to turn him into a silenced "martyr" to a lot of the vaccine skeptic crowd. He made a speech in parliament a few weeks ago that caught their attention so he's become a bit of a figurehead for the movement, I think.

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    The worst thing is that removing the whip from him is just going to turn him into a silenced "martyr" to a lot of the vaccine skeptic crowd. He made a speech in parliament a few weeks ago that caught their attention so he's become a bit of a figurehead for the movement, I think.

    It's almost as if he's trying to draw attention away from the fact he's been found guilty of failing to declare financial interests and paid lobbying work. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book, when your corruption has finally caught up with you start making noise about something controversial with a vocal looney following so you can claim it's all politically motivated.

    Bonus points for managing to draw a bunch of support from people passionate about their fringe issue to come out and wave signs in your defence when normally no one would give a shit about your crooked arse.

  • M-VickersM-Vickers Registered User regular
    Passport fees going up by 9% from Feb, announcement came out today.

    I'm assuming there'll still be no money for a pay rise for staff...

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    M-Vickers wrote: »
    Passport fees going up by 9% from Feb, announcement came out today.

    I'm assuming there'll still be no money for a pay rise for staff...

    But at least they're blue!

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    M-Vickers wrote: »
    Passport fees going up by 9% from Feb, announcement came out today.

    I'm assuming there'll still be no money for a pay rise for staff...

    But at least they're blue!

    And made in Poland, which is where at least a little of the increase is coming from due to the slide of the pound.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    M-Vickers wrote: »
    Passport fees going up by 9% from Feb, announcement came out today.

    I'm assuming there'll still be no money for a pay rise for staff...

    But at least they're blue!

    And made in Poland, which is where at least a little of the increase is coming from due to the slide of the pound.

    Brexit continues to work as intended, I see.

  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    ....I can't even with Brexit. It continues to anger me that no politician will have the balls to stand up and speak frankly about how Brexit has been a complete disaster and maybe we should reverse it. Bloody Labour being all 'ooh must make the best if it'. Grow a pair Starmer, it's obvious even to the stupidest voter that it has failed. Just tell Brexiteers to demonstrate how Brexit has been good actually. Because now it's actually real they can't hide behind their mythical bullshit of sunny uplands. Before they promised utopia and 'project fear'. Well...who was right eh?

  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The fact is that reversing it would be a complete nightmare. Too much shit has happened for us to just say "Oh, we'd like to go back to the exact arrangement we had before we lost all capability for rational thought", and the EU would quite rightly want to renegotiate everything.
    We'd end up in a worse place (which might still be preferable), and any politician supporting it would be the media's new favourite punching bag.

    'Making the best of it' isn't a great phrase, but saying we want to just put the severed limb back on won't achieve anything. The window for sanity has already passed.

    klemming on
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