Options

[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] - This Place Is Not A Place Of Honour

1457910113

Posts

  • Options
    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    .
    I'm not saying the UK governments S35 reasoning is absolutely terrible but I'm now approvingly sharing Tom Gordon editorials and nodding enthusiastically at Alex Cole-Hamilton interviews.

    I've long since given up on legislation being stupid and illegal being a good enough reason not to do it.

  • Options
    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    I'm maybe imagining things but there seems to have been a big shift towards the right-leaning stance regarding the cost of living crisis becoming "Anyone who is struggling currently and not literally on minimum wage is just shit at budgeting."

    Which, y'know, feels absolutely fucking ghoulish. Yeah, everyone's just frittering away their money, it's not like a huge number of sectors have seen a substantial pay drop in real terms over the last ten years or anything.

  • Options
    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The most interesting thing from the Prince Harry ghostwritten biography is that he actually admitted how the sausage gets made on wars and everybody got the vapors about it:
    High-profile British veterans have criticised the Duke of Sussex’s claim he had killed 25 Taliban soldiers while serving with the British army in Afghanistan and warned the high-profile admission could increase the risk to his personal security.

    The retired army veteran Col Tim Collins, best known for delivering a rousing speech before the start of the Iraq war in 2003, said the prince’s kill-count talk was crass and “we don’t do notches on the rifle butt”.

    Others said Harry had appeared wrongly to dehumanise the insurgents by describing them as “chess pieces removed from the board”, while the Taliban accused the prince of committing war crimes on his tour a decade ago.

    Anas Haqqani, an influential member of the Afghan government, said: “The ones you killed were not chess pieces, they were humans; they had families who were waiting for their return. Among the killers of Afghans, not many have your decency to reveal their conscience and confess to their war crimes.”

    Wars are about dehumanising the other side in order to kill them. Duh. Everybody does it, but this is a propaganda win for the Taliban since it makes the British Army look bad for admitting it, so is an issue.

    TryCatcher on
  • Options
    RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    The most interesting thing from the Prince Harry ghostwritten biography is that he actually admitted how the sausage gets made on wars and everybody got the vapors about it:
    High-profile British veterans have criticised the Duke of Sussex’s claim he had killed 25 Taliban soldiers while serving with the British army in Afghanistan and warned the high-profile admission could increase the risk to his personal security.

    The retired army veteran Col Tim Collins, best known for delivering a rousing speech before the start of the Iraq war in 2003, said the prince’s kill-count talk was crass and “we don’t do notches on the rifle butt”.

    Others said Harry had appeared wrongly to dehumanise the insurgents by describing them as “chess pieces removed from the board”, while the Taliban accused the prince of committing war crimes on his tour a decade ago.

    Anas Haqqani, an influential member of the Afghan government, said: “The ones you killed were not chess pieces, they were humans; they had families who were waiting for their return. Among the killers of Afghans, not many have your decency to reveal their conscience and confess to their war crimes.”

    Wars are about dehumanising the other side in order to kill them. Duh. Everybody does it, but this is a propaganda win for the Taliban since it makes the British Army look bad for admitting it, so is an issue.

    Meh. Spare just feels like public therapy and selfishly good for Harry but fuck you everybody else. And also it's all very contradictory - he says he's upset by the lack of privacy and then goes on a billion talk shows. Blames the press for his mother's death but wants them to promote his book. Says he doesn't want titles, but is pressuring for his kids to have them. He says he wants to be back together again with William and his dad, but if he wrote that about me in public I'd burn him. I don't know what he's trying to achieve except money. Sad really.

    But yeah - he's not wrong about war - militaries literally train their soldiers to overcome the builtin 'don't kill your own species' programming nature. There's a reason actual cold-blooded murder is pretty rare relatively and it's not the legal system (deterrants don't work - see the death penalty).

  • Options
    Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    There is a lot of reading into his comments that the snippet provided just doesn’t support.

    Acknowledging that you killed people in combat situations isnt notching your rifle or glorifying it, and neither is it admitting to war crimes.

    I also think talking about the exact number adds some context that he was actually running missions and not just put in a bunker in the background.

    steam_sig.png
    MWO: Adamski
  • Options
    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    The most interesting thing from the Prince Harry ghostwritten biography is that he actually admitted how the sausage gets made on wars and everybody got the vapors about it:
    High-profile British veterans have criticised the Duke of Sussex’s claim he had killed 25 Taliban soldiers while serving with the British army in Afghanistan and warned the high-profile admission could increase the risk to his personal security.

    The retired army veteran Col Tim Collins, best known for delivering a rousing speech before the start of the Iraq war in 2003, said the prince’s kill-count talk was crass and “we don’t do notches on the rifle butt”.

    Others said Harry had appeared wrongly to dehumanise the insurgents by describing them as “chess pieces removed from the board”, while the Taliban accused the prince of committing war crimes on his tour a decade ago.

    Anas Haqqani, an influential member of the Afghan government, said: “The ones you killed were not chess pieces, they were humans; they had families who were waiting for their return. Among the killers of Afghans, not many have your decency to reveal their conscience and confess to their war crimes.”

    Wars are about dehumanising the other side in order to kill them. Duh. Everybody does it, but this is a propaganda win for the Taliban since it makes the British Army look bad for admitting it, so is an issue.

    Meh. Spare just feels like public therapy and selfishly good for Harry but fuck you everybody else. And also it's all very contradictory - he says he's upset by the lack of privacy and then goes on a billion talk shows. Blames the press for his mother's death but wants them to promote his book. Says he doesn't want titles, but is pressuring for his kids to have them. He says he wants to be back together again with William and his dad, but if he wrote that about me in public I'd burn him. I don't know what he's trying to achieve except money. Sad really.

    But yeah - he's not wrong about war - militaries literally train their soldiers to overcome the builtin 'don't kill your own species' programming nature. There's a reason actual cold-blooded murder is pretty rare relatively and it's not the legal system (deterrants don't work - see the death penalty).

    Thats the thing that gets me too. I can believe that these things happened (though, I'm sure he did an equal share of shitty things too, because most of them sound pretty close to standard family issues level of shittiness. Sibling Rivalry, Dad can't deal with mums death, older parent can't help young child process grief, step mother finds issues integrating into family, etc) but you can't out those things to the world and say you dream of reconciliation and want privacy. You have to pick. You can say, "Fuck it, I just want to have lots of cash, not be a royal, and sell my story" and thats fine, but, privacy and tell all books are mutually exclusive.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • Options
    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The relationship that Harry has with the tabloid press (or, at least, the impression that I get from reviews of that book) does matches a little too well to an abusive parent. He's the Darling Prince to be spoiled because they feel bad about having killed his mother. He lashes out and picks a partner at least partly to piss them off, and the talk is about how ungrateful he is and how dare that [Insert slur here] turn "their baby" against them. A part of him is still conditioned to want their affection even as he recognizes how toxic the whole setup is.

    To the specific point, as I've said, is just people pretending to get the vapors at the sausage making in order to score political points. It does bear mentioning though.

    TryCatcher on
  • Options
    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    A little scandal is what keeps the people engaged and interested in the monarchy nowadays.

    Now I don't think this is all some grand marketing masterplan, but a little brother vs brother is probably the best that could happen to the British monarchy, PR wise.

    kFJhXwE.jpgkFJhXwE.jpg
  • Options
    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    A little scandal is what keeps the people engaged and interested in the monarchy nowadays.

    Now I don't think this is all some grand marketing masterplan, but a little brother vs brother is probably the best that could happen to the British monarchy, PR wise.

    Distracts from the other "King's little brother" being an "alleged" pedophile.

  • Options
    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    A little scandal is what keeps the people engaged and interested in the monarchy nowadays.

    Now I don't think this is all some grand marketing masterplan, but a little brother vs brother is probably the best that could happen to the British monarchy, PR wise.

    Distracts from the other "King's little brother" being an "alleged" pedophile.

    No sweat off his back

  • Options
    altidaltid Registered User regular
    As ever, it's hard to keep up with all the scandal from the government.

    First up, Sunak looks to add another fixed penalty notice to his collection. This time it's for not wearing a seatbelt while in a moving car - the evidence being that he filmed it and put it on instagram.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/19/sunak-apologises-for-failing-to-wear-seatbelt-while-filming-in-car

    It also comes as no surprise that the tories are also directing substantially more 'levelling up' money at their own seats. After all, Sunak boasted about diverting money away from deprived areas when campaigning for leader, now it's being made abundantly clear that the tories are only interested in pork-barrel spending.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/19/tory-seats-gain-more-4bn-levelling-up-fund-finds-analysis

    What strikes me about Sunak is that he's just really, really bad at all of this. John Crace had an opinion piece that covered it pretty well:
    Rishi Sunak is the incredible shrinking man. The more you see of him, the less there appears to be. When he became prime minister, he had the appearance of a moderately successful – if rather over-eager – tech bro, brought in to save the Conservative party from itself. But that was a chimera. Because Rish! isn’t even that successful. He’s a politician with the fatal flaw of not being very good at politics. A man unable to convince others that he inhabits their world. Now he’s just a ball of need. Desperate to be liked, but unable to make an emotional connection with voters.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/18/the-incredible-shrinking-man-rishi-sunaks-gut-reaction-is-always-wrong

  • Options
    RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    altid wrote: »
    As ever, it's hard to keep up with all the scandal from the government.

    First up, Sunak looks to add another fixed penalty notice to his collection. This time it's for not wearing a seatbelt while in a moving car - the evidence being that he filmed it and put it on instagram.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/19/sunak-apologises-for-failing-to-wear-seatbelt-while-filming-in-car

    It also comes as no surprise that the tories are also directing substantially more 'levelling up' money at their own seats. After all, Sunak boasted about diverting money away from deprived areas when campaigning for leader, now it's being made abundantly clear that the tories are only interested in pork-barrel spending.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/19/tory-seats-gain-more-4bn-levelling-up-fund-finds-analysis

    What strikes me about Sunak is that he's just really, really bad at all of this. John Crace had an opinion piece that covered it pretty well:
    Rishi Sunak is the incredible shrinking man. The more you see of him, the less there appears to be. When he became prime minister, he had the appearance of a moderately successful – if rather over-eager – tech bro, brought in to save the Conservative party from itself. But that was a chimera. Because Rish! isn’t even that successful. He’s a politician with the fatal flaw of not being very good at politics. A man unable to convince others that he inhabits their world. Now he’s just a ball of need. Desperate to be liked, but unable to make an emotional connection with voters.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/18/the-incredible-shrinking-man-rishi-sunaks-gut-reaction-is-always-wrong

    I am darkly amused by the blatant level-up money going south. All those idiots that voted for Tories in the North over Labour because Brexit/Corbyn get to find out how stupid they were. Don't like Corbyn? Well newsflash at least he didn't hate you and laugh at you. Expecting the scorpion not to sting them was fucking stupid and I hope they have learned their lesson. Meanwhile, their fellow voters continue to suffer. RRggghh stupid voting makes me so angry - real people suffer because idiots vote without thinking.

    Can't believe we are stuck with Sunak for 2 years. Althought it's making Boris Bouncing Back more likely. *sigh* recent politics really has worn me down.

    There's a good video from Matt Green (who is funny but also sadly very accurate) about the current situation:
    https://youtu.be/w2E2O_G15Yk

    RazielMortem on
  • Options
    SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/20/rishi-sunak-fined-for-not-wearing-seatbelt-lancashire-visit-instagram-video-back-moving-car
    Rishi Sunak has been fined for not wearing a seatbelt in the back of a moving car while on a trip to northern England.

    Now he just needs to get a speeding ticket and he'll have a trio of fines to his name!

  • Options
    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Did anyone ever think Sunak was going to be good? It's been abundantly clear even to right wing people that the Conservative party has been utterly devoid of talent for many years. The only thing Sunak ever had going for him was that he wasn't Liz Truss. It's why they abandoned the pretence of electing him, Truss couldn't stay and there was no one else to take the job.

  • Options
    japanjapan Registered User regular
    Sunak is like

    What if the country was run by the Deloitte graduate scheme kid

  • Options
    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Sunak struck me as the best available option.
    Not even close to a good option, but all the others seemed worse.
    (Assuming that silly ideas like a general election weren't actually options)

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Options
    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Did anyone ever think Sunak was going to be good? It's been abundantly clear even to right wing people that the Conservative party has been utterly devoid of talent for many years. The only thing Sunak ever had going for him was that he wasn't Liz Truss. It's why they abandoned the pretence of electing him, Truss couldn't stay and there was no one else to take the job.

    Good and talented are two different adjectives. I'd say Johnson was talented in some respects. It's not easy to spend that much time in a walk-in wearing normal clothes, for one.

  • Options
    altidaltid Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    I was going to write more about how awful Sunak is, but in the meantime more toxic sludge continues to seep out from the johnson landfill.

    The Times are reporting that Richard Sharp, the BBC chairmain appointed by Johnson, helped to arrange a guarantee on a £800k loan for Johnson (to cover his 'living expenses') a few weeks before the appointment was made. It's pretty open corruption and if there was any justice at all most of Johnson's cabinet would be facing criminal investigation by now. The BBC itself has been entirely captured by the tories and cannot be considered impartial anymore. Sharp should be forced to resign immediately as a result of this revelation, but he won't. I predict zero consequences for anyone involved. The article is paywalled unfortuantely, but can be found here:
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-bbc-chairman-the-prime-minister-and-the-800-000-loan-guarantee-f7nt5kfml

    If you're not familiar with Sharp, may I present the remarks he made late last year where he criticized Emily Maitlis (who had left by this point), declared that the BBC had "a liberal bias" and insisted that they were "fighting against it".
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/03/bbc-chairman-criticises-emily-maitlis-newsnight-comments-on-dominic-cummings

    There really is just too much shit coming from these cretins to keep up with. We've yet to even mention Zahawi's tax affairs after all...

    altid on
  • Options
    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Richard Sharp asks for conflict of interest review
    Richard Sharp says the BBC board will review any potential conflicts of interest he may have amid scrutiny over his links with Boris Johnson.

    Claims have emerged that the BBC chairman was involved in securing a loan of up to £800,000 for the then-PM.

    Mr Sharp said he had not been involved in a loan, a guarantee or arranging any financing.

    In a statement, he called the row "a distraction for the organisation, which I regret".

    He said he had never hidden his longstanding relationship with the former PM.

    Mr Sharp told BBC staff in an email: "I believe firmly that I was appointed on merit, which the Cabinet Office have also confirmed".

    Mr Johnson and the government have rejected suggestions there was any conflict of interest involved.

    Mr Sharp said that his personal interests would be reviewed by the BBC Board's nominations committee "when it next meets", without giving a timeline.

    Mr Sharp also committed to having the findings of the review published "in the interest of transparency".

    He described the scrutiny as a "distraction for the organisation" and told staff "I'm really sorry about it all".

    Mr Sharp confirmed that he introduced Mr Johnson to Sam Blyth, who he described as an "old friend" who also happened to be a distant cousin of the then-PM.
    Well, glad that's all sorted out. I'm sure there will be consequences at an unspecified point in the future when everyone has forgotten about this.

    Rishi Sunak orders ethics probe into Nadhim Zahawi tax row
    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has asked his independent ethics adviser to look into the tax affairs of Conservative Party chairman Nadhim Zahawi.

    Mr Sunak said there were "questions that need answering" over the case.

    Mr Zahawi is facing calls to resign, after it emerged he paid a penalty to HMRC over unpaid tax while he was chancellor, as part of a multi-million pound dispute.

    He said he was "confident" he had "acted properly throughout".

    On a visit to a hospital in Northamptonshire, Mr Sunak told reporters: "Integrity and accountability is really important to me and clearly in this case there are questions that need answering.

    "That's why I've asked our independent adviser to get to the bottom of everything, to investigate the matter fully and establish all the facts and provide advice to me on Nadhim Zahawi's compliance with the ministerial code."
    Well, glad that's all sorted out. I'm sure there will be consequences at an unspecified point in the future when everyone has forgotten about this.

    (no, I didn't copy paste the same response by accident)

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Options
    RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    The Sharp thing is particularly pathetic. 'I just happen to have spoken to him, he then mysteriously secured the money and then quite coincidentally I was given the BBC chair...just lucky I guess'.

  • Options
    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    (no, I didn't copy paste the same response by accident)

    Definitely deserving of that "throwing a show at a child" clip that's come up several times in the thread.

  • Options
    evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The Sharp thing is particularly pathetic. 'I just happen to have spoken to him, he then mysteriously secured the money and then quite coincidentally I was given the BBC chair...just lucky I guess'.
    But I have absolutely no doubt he was appointed on merit[...]
    link

    The merit being, of course, that he had 800k with Boris' name on it.

    evilthecat on
    tip.. tip.. TALLY.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
  • Options
    Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    So a guy gave a bunch of money to a conservative politician and got a plush political appointment for it?

    George: Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I’ve worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.

    Jealous Deva on
  • Options
    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Imagine the shit-flinging and screaming from the right-wing press if that had been a Labour PM & BBC chair doing exactly that...

  • Options
    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Jazz wrote: »
    Imagine the shit-flinging and screaming from the right-wing press if that had been a Labour PM & BBC chair doing exactly that...

    I think you'll find that if you actually read their editorials, they would all have been sent to Corbyn's allotment gulags before something like this could have come out, so there would be no one left to report on...anything.
    Pretty sure this was covered in the prospective "first 100 days of Corbyn" articles.

    Tastyfish on
  • Options
    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Suella Braverman scraps three recommendations from Windrush report
    The head of the Windrush inquiry has expressed disappointment after the home secretary confirmed the government was dropping three key commitments made in the wake of the scandal.

    Suella Braverman told MPs she would not proceed with the changes, including establishing a migrants' commissioner.

    They were put forward in the scathing report into the wrongful deportation of UK citizens of Caribbean descent.

    Wendy Williams said "crucial" recommendations had been scrapped.

    Ms Williams's formal inquiry examined how the Windrush scandal unfolded at the Home Office - when British residents, many of whom had arrived in their youth from Caribbean countries in the 1950s and 60s, were erroneously classified as immigrants living in the UK illegally.

    In a written statement in the House of Commons, Ms Braverman insisted the Home Office was looking to "shift culture and subject ourselves to scrutiny".

    But she confirmed that plans to beef up the powers of the immigration watchdog; set up a new national migrants advocate; and run reconciliation events with Windrush families would be axed, despite the Home Office originally endorsing them after the report's publication.
    "We asked someone to tell us what they thought we were doing wrong, and after careful consideration we've decided that we're doing everything right already, thanks."

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Options
    ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    It's almost but not quite a case of nominative determinism.

    Gallerman?

    Brasserman?

    Cheekerman?

    Racisterman?

  • Options
    AntinumericAntinumeric Registered User regular
    Looks like up to 10% of unaccompanied child refugees are being kidnapped by criminal gangs?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/21/revealed-scores-of-child-asylum-seekers-kidnapped-from-home-office-hotel
    About 600 unaccompanied children have passed through the Sussex hotel in the past 18 months, with 136 reported missing. More than half of these – 79 – remain unaccounted for.

    Nice little circle of buck passing
    When asked to comment, Brighton and Hove city council, which traditionally cares for child asylum seekers when they arrive in the UK without parents or guardians, referred queries on criminals targeting children to the police. Sussex police said queries on criminals targeting the children should be addressed to the Home Office.

    The Home Office said: “Local authorities have a statutory duty to protect all children, regardless of where they go missing from.

    Also that Rwanda policy could contribute
    Sources added that criminals had been quick to exploit the Home Office’s policy of deporting asylum seekers to Africa as a recruiting tool. “Traffickers tell them they’ll be sent to Rwanda if they stay in the hotel.”

    Pretty shocking all round.

    In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
  • Options
    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    https://leftfootforward.org/2023/01/richard-burgon-mp-lets-give-the-public-the-power-to-call-general-elections/

    A shame it probably won't happen, and his bill will most likely be blocked. :|
    The Tories would/could never accept any kind of recall mechanism, that would make too much democratic sense for their facist-shitbag-addled brains.
    They'll hold onto power until the last second; even as the country collapses from years of incompetent/corrupt Tory rule.

  • Options
    RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    I bet Labour won't do it either. Because as always once a party wins they don't want to have it taken away. Hence FPTP still being a thing even though it clearly benefits the Tories.
    But yes, I wish we could force a general election. I am just sickened each day by the news of further corruption and incompetence.

  • Options
    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    I mean we can force a general election, the French, for being stereotyped as cowards, are always the ones taking to the streets to fight against things they don't want from their government. We outnumber the entire UK security force by like 20 to 1. We could be force feeding Gullis a literal shit sandwich by tea time if we so chose.

    Hence Tory efforts to make us all poor and unable to get out of work or risk losing our homes or heating and the act of protesting itself illegal.

  • Options
    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    7828knhrfowg.png

    The Lib Dems are a political party. The tweet is timestamped at 12:11pm, 26 Jan 2023.

    Attached image, spoilered for big.
    a1872v8d4rx0.jpg

    Jazz on
  • Options
    fedaykin666fedaykin666 Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The alleged government are to policies what Duane Gish was to debating. Spew so much different crap everywhere at the same time that opponents can't even keep track of the latest crimes and disasters, let alone have a coherent media strategy. Taxes, NHS collapsing, nurses on strike, junior doctors, food banks, large numbers of migrant kids disappearing, corruption, energy poverty, unsafe housing, Windrush, broken transport and infrastructure, inappropriate interference in Scotland, it's all so overwhelming there is just a feeling of nausea, impotence and apathy. Hopefully also anger to cause change.

    fedaykin666 on
  • Options
    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    The alleged government are to policies what Duane Gish was to debating. Spew so much different crap everywhere at the same time that opponents can't even keep track of the latest crimes and disasters, let alone have a coherent media strategy. Taxes, NHS collapsing, nurses on strike, junior doctors, food banks, large numbers of migrant kids disappearing, corruption, energy poverty, unsafe housing, Windrush, broken transport and infrastructure, inappropriate interference in Scotland, it's all so overwhelming there is just a feeling of nausea, impotence and apathy. Hopefully also anger to cause change.

    We're in the advanced stage of collapsing government now. The Tories know they're not winning the next election so they're just going to speedrun evil with little to no consideration of the optics.

    The priority now is looting and pillaging along with burning everything down and salting the earth for the next Labour government.

  • Options
    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    The alleged government are to policies what Duane Gish was to debating. Spew so much different crap everywhere at the same time that opponents can't even keep track of the latest crimes and disasters, let alone have a coherent media strategy. Taxes, NHS collapsing, nurses on strike, junior doctors, food banks, large numbers of migrant kids disappearing, corruption, energy poverty, unsafe housing, Windrush, broken transport and infrastructure, inappropriate interference in Scotland, it's all so overwhelming there is just a feeling of nausea, impotence and apathy. Hopefully also anger to cause change.

    We're in the advanced stage of collapsing government now. The Tories know they're not winning the next election so they're just going to speedrun evil with little to no consideration of the optics.

    The priority now is looting and pillaging along with burning everything down and salting the earth for the next Labour government.

    I wouldn't be so sure.

    To be clear, I think it's an almost certainty they won't.

    But I figure at least a third of Tories are convinced that they can win on the "merits" straight up right now, and another third or so are convinced that they just need to hold on until Starmer or a high ranking opposition member announces a really dumb policy that they can ride on deriding.

    The one thing we've seen across conservatism (from Red Wave Republicans, through the federal and state I've dealt with in Australia, is that they have an expectation of winning, because they've always been given the benefit of the doubt, and it's their "right" to rule. Regardless of the damage being dealt, they think people will see it for the genius they think it is.

  • Options
    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    The party contains plenty of "born to rule" idiots for sure but you don't get cabinet ministers announcing they aren't running again unless they're damn sure they're about to spend a term or two in opposition. The party is also packed with people who are just there for personal gain and when they jump ship the writing is on the wall.

  • Options
    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    "Well, we've fucked everything upeverything has gotten fucked up through no fault of our own, time to step aside and let someone else try to restore some sort of order for a decade while the people forget just how bad we were."

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Options
    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    "Well, we've fucked everything upeverything has gotten fucked up through no fault of our own, time to step aside and let someone else try to restore some sort of order for a decade while the people forget just how bad we were."

    Works for our bunch over here.

  • Options
    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Oh hey, Zahawi's been sacked.
    Investigations aren't supposed to find extremely clear evidence and come to obvious conclusions quickly, what's going on?

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Options
    Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    Oh hey, Zahawi's been sacked.
    Investigations aren't supposed to find extremely clear evidence and come to obvious conclusions quickly, what's going on?

    Stories started coming out that Sunak knew back in October about potential issues.

    So if you’re wondering how this investigation was over so quickly, then it’s because they already did it 3 months ago and thought nobody would call them up on it.

    PSN Fleety2009
Sign In or Register to comment.