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Pathfinder 2E: "The Time of the O.R.C. has come."

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    saw on the reddit some speculation that might make sense
    apparently the only deity not mentioned is lamashtu, everyone's favorite monster mommy

    the next book that's coming out is howl of the wild so lamashtu going away and not having dominion over beasts anymore might make sense in that respect, given that paizo will be introducing a lot of beastfolk as playable ancestries in that

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    kaidkaid Registered User regular
    asofyeun wrote: »
    saw on the reddit some speculation that might make sense
    apparently the only deity not mentioned is lamashtu, everyone's favorite monster mommy

    the next book that's coming out is howl of the wild so lamashtu going away and not having dominion over beasts anymore might make sense in that respect, given that paizo will be introducing a lot of beastfolk as playable ancestries in that
    that would also make sense with them trying to make a lot of races like gnolls/goblins even that much less tethered to their evil past background given how tied they were to lamashtu.

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited April 11
    asofyeun wrote: »
    saw on the reddit some speculation that might make sense
    apparently the only deity not mentioned is lamashtu, everyone's favorite monster mommy

    the next book that's coming out is howl of the wild so lamashtu going away and not having dominion over beasts anymore might make sense in that respect, given that paizo will be introducing a lot of beastfolk as playable ancestries in that
    Get the furries on-side? Always a sound business decision.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Well the announcement has been made. The god that is going to die is:
    Gorum

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Also playtest for two new classes coming at the end of the month.

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    edited April 17
    A couple other things announced:
    >> Lore stuff, and adventure path Triumph of the Tusk about orcish deities

    >> a new book, Lost Omens: Divine Mysteries
    more stuff about gods and lesser known ones and new ones, it'll contain new options for characters, too - Battle Harbinger sounds like a Cleric Warpriest fix that trades some spellcasting for better fighting capability, and a couple other archetypes like Rivethun Emissary (dunno, alternative divine power?), and Palatine Detective for your Investigator Inquisitor needs

    >> 2 playtest classes at the end of the month, Commander and Guardian

    edit: also the made a big deal with the fact that gorum's chest armor was broken and something came out, he was gregnant this whole time

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Oh fuck if the Commander is a 4e warlord I will just fucking keel over from sheer happiness.

    Dare I dream?

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Giving a warlord class would be both awesome and completely in line with PF 2e having so much in common with D&D 4e...

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    I'm pretty sure Commander is going to be Warlord But PF2e Version

    I'm more interested in seeing what the guardian is - maybe it'll be like the 4E warden? In stream they said it was a heavy armor class, though, so maybe it's more along the lines of a martial champion, e. g. a more protective fighter (which would be in line with the Commander being a martial support character)

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 17
    asofyeun wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Commander is going to be Warlord But PF2e Version

    I'm more interested in seeing what the guardian is - maybe it'll be like the 4E warden? In stream they said it was a heavy armor class, though, so maybe it's more along the lines of a martial champion, e. g. a more protective fighter (which would be in line with the Commander being a martial support character)

    A whole second tank! (third, if you count the fact that there's a couple kineticist elements that can actually tank)

    And it only took, um, about 28 other classes!

    (The absolute shambles state of Defenders in PF2 is a thing that has annoyed me for a while)

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    paizo also announced the new versatile heritage being released in Player Core 2 coming out in july: dragon-blooded

    the dragons are horny for everyone again

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    kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Makes sense given we already have dragon sorcerers clearly dragons are getting jiggy with people somewhere down the line.

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    MonwynMonwyn Apathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime. A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered User regular
    Fighters can tank just fine. Champs are *better* but it ain't by much.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    I think a lot of classes get the build options to make themselves a team defender, even if champion is the most heavily pushed that way

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    of the PF2e classes, i think monk and kineticist are the only ones with builds that approach the survivability of a shield-focused fighter or champion. the other 10/12 HP per level classes tend to be more like bruisers, or otherwise give up a bit too much for support capabilities (looking at you, outwit ranger)

    also, only the fighter and champion get heavy armor proficiency at level 1 - all other classes must get either at least one (if not more) armor proficiency general feat, go with the sentinel archetype, or inventor can get heavy armor through a class feature

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    there are other ways of getting heavy armor levels of AC usually, are there not? like the defender-focused monk style includes an AC bonus on top of the basic monk AC features.

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    not really

    even explorer's clothing has a +5 cap on dexterity bonus despite being in the 'unarmored' proficiency, and you need that to get the +3 armor potency bonus (which is more than the maximum possible +7 you can get from dex at level 20)

    only champion and monk get legendary AC defenses - monk is better non-shielded AC, i think, up until level 7 when champion gets expert armor proficiency

    heavy armor is a +6 base AC proficiency without runes and monk can get at most +5 - mountain stance is +4 with no dex bonus, mountain stronghold gives a shield-like +2 circumstance bonus for an action and raises dex bonus cap to +1, while crane stance gives a +1 circumstance bonus to AC and allows full dex bonus but limited by your clothes

    i'm unfamiliar with kineticist's AC capabilities, so i dunno if they can get up that high

    of course monks can use shields themselves and anyone can grab the shield block feat for better survivability, though everyone has to pay an action penalty to raise the shield except for fighters with paragon's guard (level 12) and champions with shield paragon (level 20)

    the absolute highest AC you can get would be a champion with a tower/fortress shield to use an action for the 'take cover' bonus and have +4 circumstance bonus to AC, and then add in a +1(2) status bonus to AC which can come from a variety of spells. from there it becomes a matter of reducing enemy chance to hit through disarm or other conditions like fear, enfeeble, clumsy, etc.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Are there any PF2E classes that use abilities that cost more actions each time you use them as some sort of exhaustion mechanic?

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    iguanacusiguanacus Desert PlanetRegistered User regular
    https://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest

    The commander and guardian play test dropped earlier today, can't say I'm that impressed by the guardian but the commander has some serious potential. It's definitely gonna be party dependant though, it's not gonna be lighting anybody up on its own.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    The Commander looks fucking sweet.

    Also it lets you right the fuck into the Battle Medicine tree and swaps Wis for Int on Medicine checks if you take the Combat Medic lvl 1 feat.

    I could not be more in love.

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    The Battlecry Class playtest is out: https://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest

    some good stuff in there

    guardian is a little weird

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Guardian looks like it could be used for some really fun maneuver builds. The "Larger than Life" feat that bump your effective size a step is fascinating.

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    kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    The Commander looks fucking sweet.

    Also it lets you right the fuck into the Battle Medicine tree and swaps Wis for Int on Medicine checks if you take the Combat Medic lvl 1 feat.

    I could not be more in love.

    Commander looks a lot more up in the front tanky than I expected. All armor proficiency shield block at level 1. The abilities look really good too the tactics seem very fun and strong. The one ranged one where it is 2 actions everybody can stow their melee weapons, draw their range weapon for free, reload ranged weapon for free then use a reaction to immediately fire on a target and casters with a prepared cantrip can cantrip as a reaction. That is a hell of a oh crap flying thing suddenly appeared trump card.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 29
    I kind of want to see if I can build a commander based on Sir General Pentious from Hazbin Hotel.

    General Adder Mission T'Khet ("Mission" is his middle name)

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Please tell me "T'Khet" means "the Black."

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    Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
    All according to T’khet.

    Translators note: T’khet means plan.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I am reading the Tian Xia world guide and there are a few hilarious nods to modern fads:
    Manga, Street Fighter Arcades, Boba Tea, and Coffee Shops

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    kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I am reading the Tian Xia world guide and there are a few hilarious nods to modern fads:
    Manga, Street Fighter Arcades, Boba Tea, and Coffee Shops
    Taum= spam which made me snort haha.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Blah I wanted to try running a Foundry server for PF2e games, but I'm apparently behind a CG NAT my ISP runs to conserve IPv4 address space, so I can't actually use port forwarding and host a web server without paying them an extra $10/month, what a pain in the ass. I like using Foundry a lot, and wanted to use it specifically because of not having to pay a subscription damn it. When did "being able to host a server on your own hardware" stop being a basic function of paying for internet?

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Blah I wanted to try running a Foundry server for PF2e games, but I'm apparently behind a CG NAT my ISP runs to conserve IPv4 address space, so I can't actually use port forwarding and host a web server without paying them an extra $10/month, what a pain in the ass. I like using Foundry a lot, and wanted to use it specifically because of not having to pay a subscription damn it. When did "being able to host a server on your own hardware" stop being a basic function of paying for internet?

    Lots of ISP's will actually be real assholes about it and it's been going on since I was in high school. Cable companies, in particular, really despise private or public servers on their network.

    In the case of a CG NAT, they're kinda fucked. I would look into ngrok or localhost.run to get around their BS and also avoid another subscription/fee. The downside is that you'll have to get your players to follow instructions.

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    joshgotrojoshgotro Deviled Egg The Land of REAL CHILIRegistered User regular
    Thawmus

    Will you be my patrick swayze while I'm your demi moore and you teach me about running foundry with localhost.run?

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    joshgotro wrote: »
    Thawmus

    Will you be my patrick swayze while I'm your demi moore and you teach me about running foundry with localhost.run?

    I want to issue the full disclosure that I've never tried it, it's just a common response I've seen on reddit and elsewhere.

    However, it does look very slick and easy.

    Basically, in your Foundry setup, there's a port configuration in your settings, I think it's 30000 by default? You can set this to whatever you want, or leave it as-is.

    Then, you want to run the following command:
    ssh -R 80:localhost:30000 localhost.run
    

    If you set your port to something else, change the 30000 to that something else.

    When you run the command, you'll get something like this:
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    The URL I'm pointing to there is the URL you give your players to connect to your server. There's some errors at the bottom and that's because I tried it and of course I'm not running Foundry at the moment so it failed to connect.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    oh that looks perfect, let me see if that works

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Ok had to do a little troubleshooting but doing it with "ssh -R 80:localhost:30000 nokey@localhost.run" seems to do the trick! I don't understand what I'm doing at all but that's ok, I'm fine being a cargo cult end user doing my little ritual dances to get the internet gods to bring the harvest on time.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Ok had to do a little troubleshooting but doing it with "ssh -R 80:localhost:30000 nokey@localhost.run" seems to do the trick! I don't understand what I'm doing at all but that's ok, I'm fine being a cargo cult end user doing my little ritual dances to get the internet gods to bring the harvest on time.

    You are SSH tunneling to a server and launching a script that creates a URL that maps back to your already-open connection and desired port.

    Just make sure your players are aware that the URL is gonna change each time you do it.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    yeah that shouldn't be a problem for running tabletop sessions, just need to open the tunnel and post the new URL at the start of each session I would assume.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 24
    e: nevermind I figured it out. Had saved the SSH key files to the wrong places and with the wrong, non-default names on my filesystem. Now I can do it without the nokey part of the command and the tunnel URL stays the same for a good long time. Wizardry.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    @Thawmus thank you again so much for that tip, I was really tearing my hair out and now I'm happy as a clam. You made my whole week!

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    @Thawmus thank you again so much for that tip, I was really tearing my hair out and now I'm happy as a clam. You made my whole week!

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    paizocon has been happening, lots of neat previews of stuff coming out this year - godsrain and war of the immortals, player core 2, tian xia char guide, and starfinder 2e


    i mostly just paid attention to the tian xia char guide and player core 2 stuff
    i tend to play frontliners so i'm looking forward to the champion rework, and it seems neat from what i can tell

    tanuki can drum their belly for magical effects! also they can hit someone so hard the victim explodes, i'm assuming fist of the north star style

    other stuff from the tian xia char guide include a magical girl archetype, and armor inventors are getting kamen rider/sentai inspired options

    anyway, links in this spoiler to write-ups posted to the subreddit for your own perusal

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