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The Emergency Backup US [Election] 2024 thread: Part Two
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I think that the opinions of this board do not matter, if a candidate for US president cannot afford to be seen supporting a ban anymore, well, that's it.
Nah TikTok still sucks and has a lot of security issues that need to be addressed, but in politics you have to go where the people are and it is a terrible move to not engage on the most popular platform for the younger demos.
I 1000% expect Kamala's TikTok to be maintained by staffers who are using a device only logged into that TikTok account, and never allowed to join their Wi-Fi.
edit: to be clear, this is probably good policy for all of their social accounts.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
nope. TikTok still sucks, and is essentially spyware for a foreign government.
i hope that Kamalas team has any device that is accessing the platform locked down.
pretty much the same as Twitter.
The TikTok ban was incredibly dumb and shortsighted, and it’s good that Kamala at least sees that. Evidently.
Who's "you guys" here? Cause I'm not a fan of it being used at all.
...and not think the government should ban it.
So pretty much the last of the big names are on board
I feel like there are a few problems for Trump in dumping Vance for Haley.
1. The racists and nazis in Trump’s base can’t even handle Vance having a South Asian wife or Trump praising a Muslim cop who died on duty, they are going to freak out at a south Asian vp.
2. Dumping Vance is really going to piss off the technoauthoritarians like Thiel and Musk that are a good part of Trump’s bankroll.
3. Given that Trump at a rally accused Kamala Harris of wanting to raise the retirement age (part of Haley’s Social Security plan), I am honestly not even sure if he realizes the two women are different people.
Thankfully there are more than two possible positions to take on the matter.
nah, the only thing that trump could do to lose votes is pass away.
he could roll through a VP every week and his cult would praise him for keeping stupid dems in confusion
Conversely, setting age limits on things like alcohol and tobacco, warning labels, requirements like seat belts, all in the defense of public health and safety, are broadly accepted as ok. These statements are directly analogous to all social media IMO and we would be wise to have broad regulations and controls over use of social media and penalties for those companies breaking the rules.
And putting all of that aside as well, protecting national security from outside actors is well within the rights of the government. This directly speaks to the TikTok situation.
I am glad the Harris Campaign is using TikTok because that is a major hype engine in the world right now and she has lots of good buzz happening there.
They still need some significant reforms for me to be comfortable with them operating in our borders, and I am curious to see how Harris chooses to thread the needle over the next few months.
I could see a temporary ban reversal followed by much more comprehensive social media regulation that contains all sorts of shit that TikTok is in violation of to force them to change or get fined into nonexistence here. The GDPR/EU approach.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
{Twitter, Everybody's doing it. }{Writing and Story Blog}
I'd go for more than one personally.
oh, I see, yes I was misreading
also, desktop quoting works again!
But regardless, while you could make an argument that the Democrats were using TikTok before the move to ban it took hold, you can't make that argument with Kamala, so hopefully this puts a significant damper on that and pushes her administration to aim for more effective legislation to protect us better from social media corporations in general.
Nah, it can still burn like all social media.
If you were paying attention you would have realized that the people fine with banning TikTok were also in favor of better regulation as a long term solution too.
He's got two years left *and* we don't have term limits, though I believe that no one's been elected three times since '58, and no one really tries since '90 (weird to have people follow norms). I agree that he'd be a great addition to the cabinet in '26 though.
Still completely behind it being banned and completely behind Harris using it if it's not.
Same thing with Twitter.
This is a campaign to win, even if it's distasteful use the tools that work and don't intentionally hobble your campaign.
You are posting this on social media.
Although to be fair considering the issues yesterday this site may be burning?
{Twitter, Everybody's doing it. }{Writing and Story Blog}
I'm very much of the camp that all social media needs to be regulated, or at least observed. IMO, social media tech should be open source, especially when it comes to the content algorithm and how the various apps collect and transmit data. The ad delivery modules also should be transparent and be sandboxed off so that they cannot access memory or state that isn't needed for the delivery of the message itself.
This is easy enough to say in a vacuum, though, and is perhaps infinitely hard to do at scale while still maintaining the companies as independent entities. But maybe as younger generations come into power, and more importantly come in as aides for the policymakers, we can see them start doing proper management and not just knee-jerk stuff. Sadly, corporate lobbyists will always be there to fuck things up.
You know what Mazzyx means, don't be obtuse.
In general classic forums aren't considered social media in the way people use it (Twitter, Facebook, TikTok) because they don't have the built in follower / network effects and don't have an algorithm that promotes / demotes content.
I was about to say, this place isn't all that social these days.
I keep debating making a GDST for othering in debate and how hard it is to track individual people's opinions, but I think that flies a little too close to the SE++ discussions.
But to say this is incredibly off-topic for an elections thread is an understatement.
All algorithmically controlled social media. If it's just timelines, follows and friends chronologically it's not harmless, but it's controllable by the user.
TikTok would still be harmful, because it's Chinese government Spyware, but it would be less harmful since as it is now it is also a potent tool to allow them to shape national policy.
I haven't, my only complaint for the hunt against Tiktok is that they aren't going after facebook and twitter as well
Big "yet you participate in society" energy in this post.
I just can't see any benefit for debating trump. He just goes up there and gibbers for an hour spewing non stop lies so fast there is no way to ever call him on anything. The moderators are not going to do anything about he is just going to go out there do his thing and be weird and his base will eat it up.
It's going to be really, really awkward for Bibi if Kamala takes a more neutral stance on Israel and wins the presidency after he stumped for Trump.
No sensible candidate would work for Trump since he's an irrational actor who appears to have problems with object permanence.
debate wouldn't be about trump, it would be about introducing Kamala to independents
Also a key difference is most things considered (or attempting to be) social media have userbases that can be measured in the millions or significant fractions of a billion. We probably don't crack 4 digits over here any more if ever.
(also side note: Ramius pushed out a workaround for the quote on desktop bug just a bit ago which seems to have fixed that particular issue for now)
I don't say that to be obtuse, but to remind people they do utilize a form of social media and not to hate it just because they don't utilize the popular forms of it.
Social Media has ills, but it's also a great way to find community online and introduce people to new ideas.
If it wasn't for twitter we wouldn't have these JD Vance couch fucking jokes.
{Twitter, Everybody's doing it. }{Writing and Story Blog}
a) why this is meaningfully worse than american social media companies handing info over to the us govt
or
b) what harm they think the ccp is going to do with the search history of, say, some guy in idaho
like, nobody's posting about how it sucks that kamala has to use twitter, and that's owned by a single exceptionally evil dude, and it's well documented what he does with it! and that's not even touching facebook's crimes, both literal and moral
it really just seems like a lot of folks finding a socially acceptable avenue to be racist about china!
I don't really love you implying I wasn't paying attention to a conversation I spent many hours and dozens of pages carefully explaining my position in, just because you disagree with me. Try to be less condescending when you talk to people, please.
It's got about as much in common with "social media" as a musket does with an AR-15