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[Retro Games] III: What a Croc!

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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    The de-10 nano is made by terasic, not "the mister community."

    You can go to MisterAddons if you want to pay more for the same Analog I/O design that Sorglieg created and slap that on the Mister Pi board if you like. If you want to actually support software/core dev though, you need to sign up for their patreons, because they make bumpkiss from hardware sales.

    QMTech board is also cheap and works well, but its not easily cross-compatible with other Mister I/O boards. So its recommended to buy theirs alongside if you want analog I/O.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 4
    I got a Mister where the video out is not working. One thing I have not tried yet is taking out the analog board. That might be messing things up.

    Edit: Yep. I just tried it out. It is now working. The top board was messing things up.

    Is there anything you have to do to the analog board to get it to work right or do I have a crap board?

    Krathoon on
  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    I'd say either wait to see how the clone boards shake out, or just invest in a bog standard Terasic DE10 Nano from a reputable source and just see if you like what that offers. You'll only have HDMI out, not all the cores will work, and you'll need to invest in a power source (along with a keyboard that you'd already need), but I'd do that rather than splurge on a full stack out of the gate.

  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I got a Mister where the video out is not working. One thing I have not tried yet is taking out the analog board. That might be messing things up.

    Edit: Yep. I just tried it out. It is now working. The top board was messing things up.

    Is there anything you have to do to the analog board to get it to work right or do I have a crap board?

    I’ve never heard of hdmi not working because an analog board was plugged in. It might be due to not enough power, or maybe a .ini file issue or a dip switches on the board. If it’s an misteraddons board he has a discord where you can ask him about it.

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Thanks all - I appreciate the advice. Wildly new to all of this so all info is appreciated!

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    I wish Steam would support old games better.

    I've got Max Payne 1 & 2 sitting in my backlog and I can't play either without figuring out some weird computer voodoo to get them to work.

  • bloodatonementbloodatonement Registered User regular
    edited September 4
    Does "Pi" not mean raspberry pi based anymore?

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Does "Pi" not mean raspberry pi based anymore?

    The name is dumb. I'm guessing someone at the Mister Pi company thinks "Pi" is some sort of universal brand that means "retro games" to consumers or something. It's not a general purpose computing machine at all so the name is misleading, on the de-10 nano you can't even really run a web browser on the non-fpga side of the hardware because it's so weak and only exists to tell the fpga what to do.

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I wish Steam would support old games better.

    I've got Max Payne 1 & 2 sitting in my backlog and I can't play either without figuring out some weird computer voodoo to get them to work.

    I recall coercing MP1 into working again a couple of years back, but I did find myself thinking it'd just be a whole lot easier to play the Xbox or PS2 versions now. Preferably the former, they were just fine on Xbox; I recall some rather egregious performance issues on PS2, but on an emulator now that may well be a non-issue.

    I hope the remakes can take a similar approach to MGS Delta and retain the original audio masters, level layouts, etc etc and just refine the visuals and controls without reinventing the wheel. The audio design in MP1&2 was extraordinary and the voice acting pitch-perfect for the overwrought noir vibe, and the in-universe TV shows were lightning in a bottle. I don't know if you can replicate that.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I wish Steam would support old games better.

    I've got Max Payne 1 & 2 sitting in my backlog and I can't play either without figuring out some weird computer voodoo to get them to work.

    Yeah. There is a fan patch that gets Max Payne 1 working right. There is probably one for the sequel too.

    Max Payne 1 is in a sorry state now.

  • jamescruz15jamescruz15 United KingdomRegistered User new member
    RT800 wrote: »
    I wish Steam would support old games better.

    I've got Max Payne 1 & 2 sitting in my backlog and I can't play either without figuring out some weird computer voodoo to get them to work.

    It's time to hit up your IT friend and ask him to do all that voodoo stuff for ya

  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    I've never played the OG Max Payne games, so at this point, I think I'll wait on the remake. The real question is what to do about Max Payne 3. Do I skip it entirely since it's not a Remedy game? Do I play it after the remake as to not spoil the story of the first 2? Or do I play it first so it's not a big step down/backwards after playing the modernized remake?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 5
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQp3miaK9E

    I didn't know this existed. I knew about the Capcom ones, but Konami took a crack at the franchise, too?

    (lol @ 3:25)

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited September 5
    emnmnme wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQp3miaK9E

    I didn't know this existed. I knew about the Capcom ones, but Konami took a crack at the franchise, too?

    (lol @ 3:25)

    My local arcade (read: back room of a video library) had that for a while back in the day. It was an absolute blast on its own merits, even if it took a few liberties with the source material. A shame it never got an official home release, be it converted, ported, or emulated; all academic now I guess. Good fun game, pretty atmospheric for a run-and-gun shooter, and it has two-player co-op available too.

    I might've actually played that before I saw the movie, now I think about it :lol:

    I do think there's a remarkable - and unique - charm to its gloriously bright Technicolor take on Aliens too. That thumbnail pic fits it perfectly!

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    That thumbnail pic fits it perfectly!

    Konami must have been king of cheesy promo fliers back in the day because they're the only ones still saved on the internet.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Oh, I wondered why the TMNT arcade machine had a live-action April O'Neil on the side when the turtles themselves were drawn. Leftover material from the promo photo shoot, apparently.
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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    Glal wrote: »
    Not helped by terrible translation that further obscured what you were expected to do.

    IIRC there was a Japanese guy on a forum I used to go to that said that it wasn’t so much the translation, the original Japanese was really weird and cryptic too.

  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQp3miaK9E

    I didn't know this existed. I knew about the Capcom ones, but Konami took a crack at the franchise, too?

    (lol @ 3:25)

    I remember playing it and liking it. Then the Capcom version took that over as the most fun arcade for me next to Star Wars.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Metal Jesus at PAX West 2024. Some cool stuff.
    https://youtu.be/Sz5eN4JTZwI?si=Ksfl4arYzqryDnyP

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 6
    Pax West now has a second convention center building. So, it is much bigger now.
    I may have to go next year.

    Here is an interesting upcoming game that is 90s retro.
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2527160/Desktop_Explorer/

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    TIL a PS2 controller will work with a PS1

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    TIL a PS2 controller will work with a PS1

    Yes. The inputs are the same. That might be intentional.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    IIRC, PS2 controllers work on a PS1, but they have analog inputs that don't translate, yeah?

    And vice-versa?

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited September 8
    IIRC, PS2 controllers work on a PS1, but they have analog inputs that don't translate, yeah?

    And vice-versa?

    IIRC PS2 controllers on a PS1 console are fully functional; but PS1 controllers on a PS2 needs to account for the fact there are three different main PS1 controllers: standard (with no analog), the first analog version (with no rumble), and the Dualshock. Obviously a PS2 is going to expect, and 99% of the time is going to need, analog sticks. Also the first analog version of the controller (distinguished by having no rumble and also having larger grips than either of the other versions - and concave stick tops iirc) had two analog modes, with the LED going green or red depending, which I'm not sure how that works on a PS2 if at all. (I forget the difference between the modes; with how quickly this controller was replaced, it scarcely matters.) The Dualshock is the Dualshock, the only thing that's going to be missing as far as a PS2 is concerned is the analog buttons, which will matter for some games and not others.

    It's just a lot easier to stick with PS2 controllers for PS2 games! But for playing PS1 games on the PS2, PS1 controllers could be a handy backup.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    My CDi is now going through customs.

    I found out that the timekeeper battery has not been replaced. So, we shall see if it can save games.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    *looks at calendar*

    It's been 25 years. That battery's dead.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    They said it works, so we shall see. It may have been replaced and they did not know about it.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I wish I had a console repair guy. There never seems to be a retro console repair guy.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 9
    Don't replace the battery yourself.
    https://youtu.be/iQtQn1rEm08?t=153

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 9
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Don't replace the battery yourself.
    https://youtu.be/iQtQn1rEm08?t=153

    Ah. I did not know about the CDi Ready format. That was why the image for The Apprentice looked funny in Nero.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    The CDi is starting to seem more of a hassle than it is worth. All they had to do was use a coin battery like a PC. Don't make the battery part of a chip.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I totally did not know about the PC ports of The Apprentice and these games:
    https://youtu.be/uzEHIPmrulA?si=62UBkH8s07sQa5V9

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Dopply, the dev who made those remasters, was the same dev who developed Arzette.

    He even got CDi Link/Zelda VAs Jeffrey Rath and Bonnie Jean Wilbur to do some narration and character voices in Arzette.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Yeah. I might as well play the remasters if they fixed the gameplay.
    The PC port of The Apprentice had static for sound for some reason.

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Happy 25th birthday, Sega Dreamcast 🥳

  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    Sept 9. The Dreamcast turns 25, my son turns 20, and if I do the math, that makes me around 113.

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited September 9
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6CPtjyr19M

    One of my favourite arcade games of all time - so much so that I bought an arcade machine of it back in 2004 and owned it until 2011. State of the art 3D for 1989.

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6CPtjyr19M

    One of my favourite arcade games of all time - so much so that I bought an arcade machine of it back in 2004 and owned it until 2011. State of the art 3D for 1989.

    I played the shit out of this at the bowling alley and later laser tag place (the same arcade machines just circulated between places in town). I was so proud when I made it to the 2nd level when I was like 7 or 8.

    If I won the lottery, this and Arm Champs II would be in my personal arcade.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited September 9
    It's worth noting the home ports were mostly crap. They simply couldn't replicate the game in any enjoyable way. The exception was the Atari Lynx version, which instead of trying to recreate the arcade game's 3D with polygons, took the ingenious route of using the Lynx's incredible - and, at the time, unmatched - sprite handling capabilities for everything instead from the same perspective. It managed to recapture the speed and gameplay in a manner that absolutely lived up to the arcade; and did so on a low-res 3.5" screen. It was a remarkable achievement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PEAzBtaStk

    The original arcade game of STUN Runner would later show up in Midway Arcade Treasures 3 on PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox.

    Jazz on
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