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[Retro Games] III: What a Croc!

LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
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Previous thread: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/246979/retro-games-ii-the-adventure-of-gex-coming-to-switch-ps4-5-xbox-s-x-steam#latest
Old Games. Some age like wine, some like milk. Let's talk about all things retro.

First, the consoles. While there are some generation numbers people go by, here are my categories.

Old as Dirt.
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These are the ones that you had to hook up with weird adaptors to your old 12" TV with those prongs and two screws in the back of the TV. This generation's leaders would be Odyssey, Atari 2600, Colecovision, and Intellivision. Simple games that mostly were high score chasing and hit or miss arcade ports. For every Yars Revenge that still is fun to play, there are a bunch of Star Raiders that make no sense today. Personal fun fact: I enjoy playing ET and don't think it's even in the top 20 of worst games ever made.

8 Bit Era
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Honestly, this is where games start aging well. Games start to have stories, look like their arcade originals, and controller buttons became more plentiful. The leaders were NES and Sega Master System (and maybe the Atari 7800 is part of this group). Highlights might be the start of Mario, Zelda, Megaman, Castlevania, Contra, and whatever your weirdos with Master Systems played...Alf maybe? Personal fun fact: I was once convinced to get Hydlide instead of Zelda because they looked sort of similar on the box and Hyldlide was $10 cheaper.

16 Bit Era
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This was the big console wars era. Nintendo and Sega just consistently crapped on each other and gamers picked sides and a game named Ballz got made. The three leaders would be SNES, Genesis, and TurboGrafx 16 (and any odd add-ons they stacked underneath them). Highlights were sequels to NES games, Sonic, SNES RPGs, sports games really starting to get closer to the actual sports, and the massive rise of fighting games. Personal fun fact: Might and Magic on the Genesis remains my favorite RPG.

32 Bit Era
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The first true 3D consoles. The leaders were the Nintendo 64, Playstation 1 and Sega Saturn (with Atari sputtering its last breath with the Jaguar). This was really a transitional period, with games hitting 3D for the first time with Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time, new characters like Crash and Rayman emerging, and analog sticks appearing on controllers for the first time since the Atari 5200. Personal fun fact: My then-girlfriend (now wife) got fired from a temp job because we skipped work to rent an N64 and Mario on launch weekend.

Beyond: The PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast and XBox are clearly now retro. I didn't grab pictures of them, but they are starting to be very collectible (check the prices on Cube games for proof of that).

Handhelds
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There are also a ton of handhelds, that I won't bother splitting up into years. Let's just say Nintendo has ruled pretty much forever with their various handhelds with every other company except maybe Microsoft trying to best them and then giving up. Sony arguably did the best with the PSP and Vita but even they decided to eventually bow out of the market. Personal fun fact: We used to play link cable Tetris on the ferry boat to math team competitions in high school. That is the nerdiest sentence I'll write today.

Aside from these, there are weird systems like Vectrex and those folks that collect Retro PC stuff like Commodore 64, Apple IIe or big boxed PC games.

What fills your bookshelves of old crap?

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I wonder if my CDi got lost in the mail. They currently can't find the package.

  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    I've been playing Quest 64 for a bit now. I remember as a kid really enjoying it but it's clear now that I never got very far. Having your accuracy tied to your Agility isn't necessarily the worst idea but towards the end of the game the difference between your agility and the enemy's agility is staggering which means you miss way more than you hit. And since everyone hits you for an insane amount of damage every miss is a death sentence.

    I really like the magic system. I really like the idea that you can move in battle. But oh man I want off this wild ride lol. I just got the final gem and am heading towards the last area.

  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    Love the title.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 1
    There do seem to be some CDi enthusiasts out there.

    Maybe they are insane.

    I may need to get a plug adapter because this is a Dutch CDi.

    I bet it has 50Hz video output too. It sounds like modern TVs can handle it. I will be running it through the RetroTink.

    Krathoon on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 1
    I have an absurd amount of consoles plugged in. Just as long as I don't run them all at once.

    I need to get a hamper for my mini consoles. Anyone know of a good hamper?

    Edit: I found one. Of course, it ships too fast on Amazon Prime. I will have to wait till I am back home.
    https://www.amazon.com/efluky-Laundry-Removable-Collapsible-Bathroom/dp/B0BVQR8HXD

    That will work great. I can even use the sack to easily get the consoles out.

    Krathoon on
  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    Is that a game sack joke? If so, lol.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 5
    I picked up Siege of Dragonspear after dropping it for some reason near the end last year and finished it off, then rolled straight into BG2. I forgot how many time-sensitive quests it can throw at you if you walk into the wrong inn, and have ended up running around like a blue-arsed fly trying to stop a dude from dying of poison to fixing Jaheria's curse to now helping Nalia and realising might be a trifle under-levelled for the Torgal fight.

    Bogart on
  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2
    All I can think of is "wow, that flows so much slower than the original." Speaking of, Civvie did a video on the new official episode that came with the Doom&Doom 2 remasters and I cackled repeatedly at how mean the game gets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlPSbp1io7w

    Glal on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Here is an adapter that gets a Genesis controller to work on a CDi.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/284879017956

    Here is a mouse adapter.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/284828384598

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 2
    They got a lightgun that works with HDTV. It sounds like you can use it with emulators.
    https://www.sindenshop.com/en-us

    Kind of pricey. Really you can rig up a Wiimote to do the same thing. So, it is kind of silly.

    Krathoon on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 2
    Are the Steam versions of Dragon's Lair and Space Ace buggy? It sounds like it on the Steam forums.

    It sounds like the Energize button does not work in Space Ace.

    Nothing annoys me more when people sell broken software.

    Krathoon on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka4ldWkVg8

    Everyone should replay vanilla Max Payne before that remake comes out next year.

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    I never did play 3, but Max Payne 1 & 2 were absolute class. A little hard to go back to now, but not impossible. Really looking forward to the remakes.

  • bloodatonementbloodatonement Registered User regular
    Ah, Max Payne, the game that got me to upgrade from 98SE to XP. The game would run for about 5 minutes before my whole system would reboot. Turns out the fan on my video card has failed and the card would overheat and reboot the PC. First actively cooled video card I ever had. Tiny little 1.5" or so fan.

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  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka4ldWkVg8

    Everyone should replay vanilla Max Payne before that remake comes out next year.

    WHAT.

    I loved MP 1&2. Never played 3. I spent hours on the Max Payne 1 demo, playing it over and over and marvelling at the graphics and bullet time.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 3
    Simon's Quest is kind of a crappy game. It is like a lame Castlevania.

    Not certain what they were thinking on that one.

    https://youtu.be/V4we8iFk-fY?si=V-BHN5QTj7H5SdIG

    Krathoon on
  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    They were thinking they wanted more of an expensive quest than just simple action stages, which is the direction the entire industry moved in, to the point where that genre is now commonly referred to as Metroidvania. It just wasn't immediately obvious what the best practices for such a game should be and CV 2 was part of the learning curve.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Zelda 2 was part of a similar curve.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Zelda 2 got it right.

    Simon's Quest needed better bosses. You could actually run past bosses.

    All you had to do was hammer the whip button to beat Dracula.

  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    Not helped by terrible translation that further obscured what you were expected to do.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I always liked how Castlevania 3 was like a mega Castlevania. A super sized Castlevania.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited September 3
    I like how these two kept on truckin' after Nintendo canned them.
    https://youtu.be/4QQCJKn4lJI?si=XvwFZ03ppAkSGem4

    Krathoon on
  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited September 3
    “Canned” is strong, the entire Nintendo HQ was moving but people were offered to keep their job, they decided they would rather change careers than location.

    Nintendo Minute was also a small side-gig they pitched, their day job was to make marketing decisions for NoA. So they are putting more into Youtube now than they ever did, plus consulting for game companies.

    Victor Lucas did a great interview with them recently if you want to know more.

    rahkeesh2000 on
  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    I don't even really consider Castlevania 2 to be a stepping stone on the way to SOTN. Sure, there are some similarities, like moving away from a stage-based structure. But they did nothing to iterate the concept in the many games that followed. 3, 4, Bloodlines, Rondo. They all went back to the original formula. SOTN felt less like them continuing where they left off with 2, but rather that they were inspired by Super Metroid.

  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    I'm at the last area in Quest 64 and it's taking everything in me to not use cheats and be done with this nonsense. This boss has 1900 HP. I have 250. He does either 50 to 70 damage per turn. I do between 50 and 100. My self heal maxes out at 50. His agility is way higher than mine so almost every attack is a miss.

    And looking ahead the final boss has 2300 HP and 150 agility (almost 100 more than me). I don't know if I can do this guys. I really wanted to beat this game legit but I don't think it's possible.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm at the last area in Quest 64 and it's taking everything in me to not use cheats and be done with this nonsense. This boss has 1900 HP. I have 250. He does either 50 to 70 damage per turn. I do between 50 and 100. My self heal maxes out at 50. His agility is way higher than mine so almost every attack is a miss.

    And looking ahead the final boss has 2300 HP and 150 agility (almost 100 more than me). I don't know if I can do this guys. I really wanted to beat this game legit but I don't think it's possible.

    Is the game "Japanese hard" or broken?

  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    I would say it's just broken and not playtested. You can play the game and put your skill points into the wrong elements and completely screw you out of being able to beat any bosses.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    I love Castlevania II. It's always been one of my favorites.

    As for its relation to Symphony of the Night...

    https://www.vg247.com/castlevania-symphony-of-the-night-wouldnt-have-happened-without-castlevania-2-simons-quest

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Castlevania Requiem (i.e. Symphony of the Night and Rondo of Blood compilation) is £3 on the PlayStation store? Yeah, alright, sold.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Castlevania Requiem (i.e. Symphony of the Night and Rondo of Blood compilation) is £3 on the PlayStation store? Yeah, alright, sold.

    What is great about that version is that it plays the sound effects through your controller speaker.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Vmware has this certain knack for running old games wrong that is really irritating.

    Sometimes it will simply crash running an old game.

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Apologies if this isn't the appropriate space but I'm interested in getting into the mister space. I'm not sure if I want to buy a pre-built unit or just build my own just yet - still doing some research. Curious if folks have any go-to sites/resources for this stuff (I'm in Canada but not sure that matters). Price wise too - what's reasonable? I see wildly different prices out there and I know there's a lot of product availability nonsense that benefits scalpers.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Apologies if this isn't the appropriate space but I'm interested in getting into the mister space. I'm not sure if I want to buy a pre-built unit or just build my own just yet - still doing some research. Curious if folks have any go-to sites/resources for this stuff (I'm in Canada but not sure that matters). Price wise too - what's reasonable? I see wildly different prices out there and I know there's a lot of product availability nonsense that benefits scalpers.

    They got a Mister clone coming out that is a lot cheaper.

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    The Mr Pi thing? The research I was doing sounds a bit sketch.

    Honestly I'd rather support the Mister community.

  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    The Mr Pi thing? The research I was doing sounds a bit sketch.

    Honestly I'd rather support the Mister community.

    There's nothing inherently sketchy about the Mr Pi, and it might be the best thing for the mister project and fpga gaming in the long run.

    Taki Udon is using his position as a Chinese dude living in China to start his own company to make fpga gaming platforms, and it looks like he has managed the bring the cost of a full mister stack from ~500 dollars to about ~200 dollars.

    The main cost of mister stack right now is the de-10 nano fpga board, which is made by a large company with Intel subsidies that no one should be concerned with supporting.

    There is the unfortunate aspect that Mr Pi is also undercutting the folks who make the mister addon hardware components by hand, and they might not be in the same business a year or two for now. But nothing lasts forever and the cost of this shit has to go down eventually.

    Fundamentally the mister project is open source software and open source hardware designs, and it's probably best for everyone if the hardware to run it on is cheap and plentiful. The best way to support the project is via the developers' paetreons.

    In the future if Mister Pi is successful, there's also the possibility that Taki Udon could actually improve on the the design of the fpga board and make something more capable that is still backwards compatible with all current mister software.

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