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I WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH THEE (Thor Thread)

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So...to crystallize your argument:

    "It was bad because it was dumb."

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I'd much rather have what we got than 4 pages of DB: "Oh hey I'm back." Thor: "That's Impossible!" DB: Nuh-uh." Thor: "Oh, okay." DB: "Yer Hammer's over there." Thor:"Schweet." and then 20 pages of Donald in rural Oklahoma and Thor showing up out of nowhere and scaring the locals.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    So...to crystallize your argument:

    "It was bad because it was dumb."

    YOU still haven't answered my question

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blankspace wrote: »
    I'd much rather have what we got than 4 pages of DB: "Oh hey I'm back." Thor: "That's Impossible!" DB: Nuh-uh." Thor: "Oh, okay." DB: "Yer Hammer's over there." Thor:"Schweet." and then 20 pages of Donald in rural Oklahoma and Thor showing up out of nowhere and scaring the locals.


    Now it will only take 6 issues to do that.

    YAY for writing for the trade!

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Okay. What subforum are we using right now?

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    I'd much rather have what we got than 4 pages of DB: "Oh hey I'm back." Thor: "That's Impossible!" DB: Nuh-uh." Thor: "Oh, okay." DB: "Yer Hammer's over there." Thor:"Schweet." and then 20 pages of Donald in rural Oklahoma and Thor showing up out of nowhere and scaring the locals.


    Now it will only take 6 issues to do that.

    YAY for writing for the trade!
    Donald Blake changed into Thor at the end of the issue.

    Also, you're writing Thor? Wow, you must hate yourself.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    Okay. What subforum are we using right now?


    looks up...well shit

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.
    ...What?


    Are you saying that because the story could be much more involved and much longer than a miniseries it shouldn't have a set-up?


    Wow.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.
    ...What?


    Are you saying that because the story could be much more involved and much longer than a miniseries it shouldn't have a set-up?


    Wow.

    Yes, but #1 issues should more than just set up. hell, didn't even get the reader up to par with what came before it.

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.
    ...What?


    Are you saying that because the story could be much more involved and much longer than a miniseries it shouldn't have a set-up?


    Wow.

    Yes, but #1 issues should more than just set up. hell, didn't even get the reader up to par with what came before it.
    So I must have imagined the parts where he said Thor died stopping Ragnarok and didn't want to restart the cycle, huh?

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.
    ...What?


    Are you saying that because the story could be much more involved and much longer than a miniseries it shouldn't have a set-up?


    Wow.

    Yes, but #1 issues should more than just set up. hell, didn't even get the reader up to par with what came before it.
    So I must have imagined the parts where he said Thor died stopping Ragnarok and didn't want to restart the cycle, huh?

    What about Loki? Beta Ray Bill? Time with Avengers? All of that could easily been put in one issue. A few throw away lines and narration repating itself is a joke.

    JMS brought Blake in to this for one reason. So he can spend less time writing about Thor and more time writing Blake's adventures of sitting in a diner eating breakfast.

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    What about Loki? Beta Ray Bill? Time with Avengers? All of that could easily been put in one issue. A few throw away lines and narration repating itself dis a joke.

    JMS brought Blake in to this for one reason. So he can spend less time writing about Thor and more time writing Blake's adventures of sitting in a diner eating breakfast.
    The issue actually gave nods to a ton of stuff that probably would have been glossed over by other writers. It showed The Warriors Three, his love of Lady Sif, and Beta Ray Bill actually was featured as one of his comrades. It also showed Donald Blake's past as a surgeon.

    Thor is stepping away from the superhero game and focusing on the mythological and mystical aspects of the character, which is what the title was beginning to do when it was canceled. There are some things that need to be mentioned, such as Thor's reaction to Tony Stark and Cap's death in an upcoming issue, but for his new direction Thor's past as an Avenger is of minimal importance.

    Really, JMS showed what was important to the new story and nothing else.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I like to read comics, because I like comics and reading them.

    it seems like Algertman likes to read comics, because he hates comics, and likes to complain about them.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman can I assume from your inane bullshit in this thread that you will be equally critical of the new DC editorial mandate to start every issue with a splash page.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nogs he only hates MARVEL comics.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Algertman can I assume from your inane bullshit in this thread that you will be equally critical of the new DC editorial mandate to start every issue with a splash page.

    If it's bull shit I will.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    then he should probably stop buying them and upsetting himself.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nogs wrote: »
    I like to read comics, because I like comics and reading them.

    it seems like Algertman likes to read comics, because he hates comics, and likes to complain about them.

    Nope, I enjoy comics. After this issue with Thor I'm done with it. gave it a chance, it sucked, I'm done.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Algertman can I assume from your inane bullshit in this thread that you will be equally critical of the new DC editorial mandate to start every issue with a splash page.

    I'm gonna requote this.

    this type of argument is like when republicans bring up the "But Clinton" bull shit

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    in other news. How fuckin awesome is it that Thor wields a hammer? I want to see him pound some dudes into the ground like nails on the railroad.

    Which brings a question to mind - Steel's hammer, or Thor's hammer? Talking purely on looks, not on ability

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Algertman can I assume from your inane bullshit in this thread that you will be equally critical of the new DC editorial mandate to start every issue with a splash page.

    If it's bull shit I will.

    How can an editorial mandate to start every issue of every book be anything else?

    Thor is one of Marvel's biggest properties and he's been dead for over 2 years at this point. You dont think his return deserves some dramatic buildup?

    The art in those splashes is fucking amazing.

    I didnt want Thor to show up in panel 2 of page 3 going all "sup dudes Im back"

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I haven't gotten a chance to read the comic yet (hopefully tomorrow), but are there any other asgardians mentioned to having survived/come back?

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Nogs wrote: »
    I haven't gotten a chance to read the comic yet (hopefully tomorrow), but are there any other asgardians mentioned to having survived/come back?
    All of them will be returning.

    Thor is essentially rebuilding Asgard in Oklahoma.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nogs wrote: »
    I haven't gotten a chance to read the comic yet (hopefully tomorrow), but are there any other asgardians mentioned to having survived/come back?

    Thor can bring them back when he wants I think.

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  • ReignerReigner Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.
    ...What?


    Are you saying that because the story could be much more involved and much longer than a miniseries it shouldn't have a set-up?


    Wow.

    Yes, but #1 issues should more than just set up. hell, didn't even get the reader up to par with what came before it.

    I've Never read anything Thor related before this point. All I knew is that he was a viking god on the Avengers who threw a Hammer.

    This issue pretty much caught me up to speed. The only thing I'm unsure of is what exactly the cyle of Ragnarok is, but I blame that on my lack of knowledge on Norse Mythos.

    In short...what the hell algertman?

    I'm setup just fine and iching to see how he takes everythign that's happened the past two year. And then I want to see him kick norse Ass.

    Again..what the hell?

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  • ZombotZombot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nogs wrote: »
    in other news. How fuckin awesome is it that Thor wields a hammer? I want to see him pound some dudes into the ground like nails on the railroad.

    Which brings a question to mind - Steel's hammer, or Thor's hammer? Talking purely on looks, not on ability

    Thor's hammer, any day of the week.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I dunno, I really like the long handle of Steel's hammer. But Thor definately has the old school look going for his hammer. I'm torn.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nogs wrote: »
    I dunno, I really like the long handle of Steel's hammer. But Thor definately has the old school look going for his hammer. I'm torn.

    I gotta go with thor. Steel's requires both hand to wield properly limiting your movemnt. Thor's can used one handed allowing better mobility.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    yeah, but steels can be used as a quarterstaff of sorts also. and when slamming it to the ground it looks fuckin awesome. Thor has to kneel down to hit the ground.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Whats interesting is if Thor will bring Loki back. Presumeably it would have to be a concious choice to do it. I hope JMS does something with that.

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  • IrohIroh Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Outside of Loki or anyone else in Asgard, does Thor have his own gallery of rogues, so to speak? I really don't know what to expect with this character, since I'm too new to comics to have read the older material.

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  • ZombotZombot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    But it's Mjolnir!
    If you're holding Mjolnir then fuck, you're somebody.
    Steel's hammer is just a fucking hammer.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Iroh wrote: »
    Outside of Loki or anyone else in Asgard, does Thor have his own gallery of rogues, so to speak? I really don't know what to expect with this character, since I'm too new to comics to have read the older material.

    Absorbing Man and the Wrecking Crew are traditionally his rogues, I believe, though obviously they've branched out in recent time.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Whats interesting is if Thor will bring Loki back. Presumeably it would have to be a concious choice to do it. I hope JMS does something with that.

    He has too. They're brahs.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I mentioned earlier in the thread that I wanted to see Absorbing Man and The Wrecker at some point.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Algertman, you're pretty much the only person I have heard say it was terrible.

    and since your opinion didn't matter much anyways, I expect no less from you.

    Sorry but this issue was the shit.
    I believe you forgot a word, but don't worry I fixed it.

    Honestly, give me a few reasons why this issue was terrible outside of "olol MARVEL."


    This was 4 pages padded out to a full issue

    The writing was horrible. I actually think something in the mind of JMS broke after JRjr left Amazing Spider-Man. Compare his stuff up to that point with with the stuff afterwards, it's night and day.

    Once again MARVEL has wasted a talented artist on crap writing. DC is guilty aswell, so they ain't getting off the hook with me either. I call it "Jeph Loeb Syndrome"
    Dude

    It's the first issue of a series.

    Thor hasn't had the Donald Blake identity in over a decade, and he has been, y'know, dead after stopping the endless cycle of Ragnarok.

    It makes sense that the first issue of a brand new direction of Thor should set the tone and the set-up the story, which this issue did very well.

    First issues of on-going titles should be more than just "setup"

    they are ongoings, not minis. There is a difference.

    that doesn't make any sense

    it makes sense if you switch the word 'ongoings' with the word 'minis' and vice versa. did you mean that?

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  • ZombotZombot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Iroh wrote: »
    Outside of Loki or anyone else in Asgard, does Thor have his own gallery of rogues, so to speak? I really don't know what to expect with this character, since I'm too new to comics to have read the older material.

    He has the Wrecking Crew which consist of five or so very powerful men.
    He also has or had Mr. Hyde and The Cobra!

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  • IrohIroh Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sorry, it's been a good week since I got a look at the pre-Perez pages of the thread.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It'd also be pretty cool to see Thor encountering other pantheons. The Ares mini got me all excited for that.

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