I've got a friend who is looking for a good Superman story in which Supes really cuts loose and lays into some dudes. Are there any modern (and good) stories in which Superman doesn't hold back anything at all and goes full force? Neither he or I could think of anything like that except for maybe Infinite Crisis when he's fighting Superboy Prime. And Prime is a pretty lame villain so that doesn't really count.
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I've got a friend who is looking for a good Superman story in which Supes really cuts loose and lays into some dudes. Are there any modern (and good) stories in which Superman doesn't hold back anything at all and goes full force? Neither he or I could think of anything like that except for maybe Infinite Crisis when he's fighting Superboy Prime. And Prime is a pretty lame villain so that doesn't really count.
He's specifically looking for a comic. I think he already owns all of JLU on BluRay and has seen it all. And I think that's partially why he wants to read a comic where that happens.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Our Worlds at War would be what he wants to read. And they released an Omnibus of the story that you could find for under 20 bucks on amazon.
The creepy Lois robot is great. At first I was like "What the fuck is going on." Then I found out it was a robot. And now I think its really ironic. Not only does the guy have a massive hate-on for Superman, but he also has a crush on Superman's wife. Its just so poetic.
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He's always had a thing for Lois, ever since COIE.
And the great thing the writers used to do was when Clark and Lex would meet, and Clark would have to go off save the world, Lex saw that as him being the superior one and that it would only be a matter of time until Lois came running to him. It was a nice way to feed Luthor's ego while the reader laughs at him.
Yeah, Action Comics is one of the few books that I like a lot right now. I know it's not perfect, but it's fun, feels fresh, and I have no idea what's going to happen.
That's something positive in the Superman world, right?
I think it's kinda unnecessary. But it's neat.
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So, really noobish question, but Action Comics is a decidedly Superman/Super family oriented book, much like detective comics and batman, right? Also, I've finally started picking up current releases of comics, but it's been decidedly batman oriented. I've been told nothing good is going on right now with superman, but are current action comics worth it? I would like to start pulling in something superman related.
I actually liked that part in the DC era, early 2000's, where Joker showed up a lot more in Metropolis and Luthor was becoming a villain for Bruce Wayne in businessman vs. businessman after No Man's Land.
I would love somebody forever if they could point to any trades/issues of this. For reference, I've read most of the superman trades from that era (no limits, endgame, critical condition, emperor joker, president lex, worlds at war, ending battle) as well as morrison's run on JLA. I'm particularly interested in any superman vs joker stuff out there...
Argh that Absolute All-Star Superman edition coming out next month is beckoning me. Anyone else here getting it? It's a bit steep at $100 retail for only 12 issues but you do get some extra content.
If it has some really slick extras, I'll probably buy it. $67 through Amazon isn't too terrible, for what would make a really nice coffee table book.
I think you just get a sketchbook but if it's a never-before-seen one then I guess that's worth it. I don't know, If I wait then I won't be able to get it till around March and I'm afraid it might be out of print by then. And I have some other stuff I want to get I haven't read yet and usually that takes priority but dammit this is All-Star Superman we're talking about.
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I actually liked that part in the DC era, early 2000's, where Joker showed up a lot more in Metropolis and Luthor was becoming a villain for Bruce Wayne in businessman vs. businessman after No Man's Land.
I would love somebody forever if they could point to any trades/issues of this. For reference, I've read most of the superman trades from that era (no limits, endgame, critical condition, emperor joker, president lex, worlds at war, ending battle) as well as morrison's run on JLA. I'm particularly interested in any superman vs joker stuff out there...
You've read the Superman trades that had some of this, but there was also the last volumes of the Batman event No Man's Land that dealt with Luthor trying to remove Wayne as the big cheese in Gotham (and was done with the purpose of getting him ready to run for President).
There was also a two-part crossover in Superman #168 and Detective #756 that deals with Lois hiring Bruce to steal Luthor's Kryptonite ring that he kept when he first took over as President. It's more of a Batman vs. Luthor type story, but still follows up on that scene in the President Lex trade where Batman threatens Luthor about that ring.
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Action Comics #893 upped some of the creepyness with the fembot:
Lois records Grodd's voice saying "your Master" for voice recognition access, but Luthor says he likes it and Lois goes "I'll keep it on file for later."
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And Death shows up on the last page, since Grodd "killed" Luthor with a laser blast to the chest, from which he falls out of a helicopter and down a cliff like Homer Simpson.
Action Comics #893 upped some of the creepyness with the fembot:
Lois records Grodd's voice saying "your Master" for voice recognition access, but Luthor says he likes it and Lois goes "I'll keep it on file for later."
ewwwwwwww
And Death shows up on the last page, since Grodd "killed" Luthor with a laser blast to the chest, from which he falls out of a helicopter and down a cliff like Homer Simpson.
Lex Luthor is having some awesome adventures.
Also Jimmy Olsen had a story where they introduced a character who's basically Lex Luthor's pal as a villain, and Chloe Sullivan is now officially in the main DC universe, for those who care.
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I would really dig Lex Luthor's Pal or whatever that would be called. Not that Lex really HAS friends, but I'd love to see how they could make it work.
I would really dig Lex Luthor's Pal or whatever that would be called. Not that Lex really HAS friends, but I'd love to see how they could make it work.
Probably a lot like what happened with his love interest in the Lex Luthor: Man of Steel mini.
You see hints of genuine affection from Lex, but his all-consuming ambition and disdain for Superman causes him to regard even his closest relationships as entirely expendable.
He's not actually Luthor's Pal, per se. He's a douchebag who happens to be the "fastest-rising junior executive in Lexcorp history." Olsen says he's "the Biff to my Marty, the Leno to my Conan, the parents to my just don't understand." Or whatever.
I actually liked that part in the DC era, early 2000's, where Joker showed up a lot more in Metropolis and Luthor was becoming a villain for Bruce Wayne in businessman vs. businessman after No Man's Land.
I would love somebody forever if they could point to any trades/issues of this. For reference, I've read most of the superman trades from that era (no limits, endgame, critical condition, emperor joker, president lex, worlds at war, ending battle) as well as morrison's run on JLA. I'm particularly interested in any superman vs joker stuff out there...
You've read the Superman trades that had some of this, but there was also the last volumes of the Batman event No Man's Land that dealt with Luthor trying to remove Wayne as the big cheese in Gotham (and was done with the purpose of getting him ready to run for President).
There was also a two-part crossover in Superman #168 and Detective #756 that deals with Lois hiring Bruce to steal Luthor's Kryptonite ring that he kept when he first took over as President. It's more of a Batman vs. Luthor type story, but still follows up on that scene in the President Lex trade where Batman threatens Luthor about that ring.
Ah, thanks Texiken. I have read No Man's Land. I'll have to check out those two issues you mentioned though, sound pretty cool. But I was really wondering more about superman/joker stuff. Obviously, Emperor Joker is a good example, but I was more looking for situations where non omniscient Joker is causing shennanigans in Metropolis. Even better if it involves a Bats/Supes teamup.
Also, random question. I was reading Up,Up and Away (which is awesome), but I was wondering...what ever happened to the Braniac 13 upgraded Metropolis? Metropolis seems like it's back to normal in this trade, though I'm merely basing this on the artwork, so maybe nothing happened. Obviously there is a large time gap between superman trades I have read and up up and away, so I figured something probably happened during that period.
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Some other good Joker issues, while not involving the Joker per se, would be the Superman issues that tied into Joker: Las Laugh. It was a line wide event where Joker found out he was dying, and decided to go out with a bang and uses Joker Gas on people (do not buy the main Joker: Last Laugh series, as it was terrible and editorial changed everything because they wussed out on killing the Joker).
Those issues for Superman would be:
Superman #175 (Joker Gas'd Doomsday)
Adventures of Superman #597 (good issue, President Luthor infected with Joker Gas)
Superman: Man of Steel #119 (Superman and Krypto fight gas'd Eradicator)
Action Comics #784 (Superman and Batman deal with GL Kyle being hopped up on gas while wearing the ring)
Superboy #93 (The Creeper gets gas'd but becomes serious)
As far as the B13 tech, this was resolved right before Jim Lee's Superman run, with Superman #198-200, which was Steven Seagle's short lived Superman run from #190-200. They basically gave the Superman books a clean slate for Lee's run, meaning Metropolis literally being the city of tomorrow had to go away. That run is actually very good, and even gave us a Supergirl who was from the future and was actually Lois and Clark's daughter. If you liked the stories from the trades you read, I think Seagle's would impress you as well, since he's kind of like Joe Kelly only more story oriented and less comedy.
And y'know, Birthright had a throwaway reference to Miss Tessmacher in it IIRC.
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There was an Otis person in Luthor's cabinet when he was President. Nathaniel "Mac" Mackelvany. It was actually Martian Manhunter keeping an eye on him for the JLA and Luthor knew it all along.
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So I was thinking of going to my LCBS to pick up some of the more recent Action Comics. I was wondering what a good jumping on point would be. Perhaps where the current Luthor stuff starts?
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yeah
the stuff before that was from the World of New Krypton storyline which pretty much erased itself at the end
Geoff John's run (especially Braniac and Legion of Super-Heroes) is awesome, too
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the stuff before that was from the World of New Krypton storyline which pretty much erased itself at the end
Geoff John's run (especially Braniac and Legion of Super-Heroes) is awesome, too
Do you happen to have an issue number for it? If not I'll just look when I get there.
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issues 858-870 are the best of Johns' run. There's a Toyman story in there that isn't really good but you might as well see Johns retcon a Superman villain instead of a Flash or GL one.
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issues 858-870 are the best of Johns' run. There's a Toyman story in there that isn't really good but you might as well see Johns retcon a Superman villain instead of a Flash or GL one.
So is that the current Luther arc that everyone is talking about?
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The Luthor run starts with #890, and #893 just came out this week.
Action Comics has had a really rough time the past 5 years. The closest it had to a regular run was the Johns issues I mentioned above, the rest were fill-ins and short lived teams replacing other short lived teams or tieing into that World of New Krypton story that just threw away a lot of potential.
I'd also recommend issues #827-835, as that was a Gail Simone/John Byrne run right before Infinite Crisis that was a lot of fun.
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The Luthor run starts with #890, and #893 just came out this week.
Action Comics has had a really rough time the past 5 years. The closest it had to a regular run was the Johns issues I mentioned above, the rest were fill-ins and short lived teams replacing other short lived teams or tieing into that World of New Krypton story that just threw away a lot of potential.
I'd also recommend issues #827-835, as that was a Gail Simone/John Byrne run right before Infinite Crisis that was a lot of fun.
All right, thanks for the info. I will check those out. Thanks a lot!
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That's something positive in the Superman world, right?
I've got a friend who is looking for a good Superman story in which Supes really cuts loose and lays into some dudes. Are there any modern (and good) stories in which Superman doesn't hold back anything at all and goes full force? Neither he or I could think of anything like that except for maybe Infinite Crisis when he's fighting Superboy Prime. And Prime is a pretty lame villain so that doesn't really count.
Justice League Unlimited?
Cornell's Action Comics run in general has been positive.
And the great thing the writers used to do was when Clark and Lex would meet, and Clark would have to go off save the world, Lex saw that as him being the superior one and that it would only be a matter of time until Lois came running to him. It was a nice way to feed Luthor's ego while the reader laughs at him.
I think it's kinda unnecessary. But it's neat.
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Sounds good...also reading some older posts I saw this...
I would love somebody forever if they could point to any trades/issues of this. For reference, I've read most of the superman trades from that era (no limits, endgame, critical condition, emperor joker, president lex, worlds at war, ending battle) as well as morrison's run on JLA. I'm particularly interested in any superman vs joker stuff out there...
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I think you just get a sketchbook but if it's a never-before-seen one then I guess that's worth it. I don't know, If I wait then I won't be able to get it till around March and I'm afraid it might be out of print by then. And I have some other stuff I want to get I haven't read yet and usually that takes priority but dammit this is All-Star Superman we're talking about.
You've read the Superman trades that had some of this, but there was also the last volumes of the Batman event No Man's Land that dealt with Luthor trying to remove Wayne as the big cheese in Gotham (and was done with the purpose of getting him ready to run for President).
There was also a two-part crossover in Superman #168 and Detective #756 that deals with Lois hiring Bruce to steal Luthor's Kryptonite ring that he kept when he first took over as President. It's more of a Batman vs. Luthor type story, but still follows up on that scene in the President Lex trade where Batman threatens Luthor about that ring.
ewwwwwwww
And Death shows up on the last page, since Grodd "killed" Luthor with a laser blast to the chest, from which he falls out of a helicopter and down a cliff like Homer Simpson.
Lex Luthor is having some awesome adventures.
Also Jimmy Olsen had a story where they introduced a character who's basically Lex Luthor's pal as a villain, and Chloe Sullivan is now officially in the main DC universe, for those who care.
Probably a lot like what happened with his love interest in the Lex Luthor: Man of Steel mini.
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Ah, thanks Texiken. I have read No Man's Land. I'll have to check out those two issues you mentioned though, sound pretty cool. But I was really wondering more about superman/joker stuff. Obviously, Emperor Joker is a good example, but I was more looking for situations where non omniscient Joker is causing shennanigans in Metropolis. Even better if it involves a Bats/Supes teamup.
Also, random question. I was reading Up,Up and Away (which is awesome), but I was wondering...what ever happened to the Braniac 13 upgraded Metropolis? Metropolis seems like it's back to normal in this trade, though I'm merely basing this on the artwork, so maybe nothing happened. Obviously there is a large time gap between superman trades I have read and up up and away, so I figured something probably happened during that period.
Those issues for Superman would be:
Superman #175 (Joker Gas'd Doomsday)
Adventures of Superman #597 (good issue, President Luthor infected with Joker Gas)
Superman: Man of Steel #119 (Superman and Krypto fight gas'd Eradicator)
Action Comics #784 (Superman and Batman deal with GL Kyle being hopped up on gas while wearing the ring)
Superboy #93 (The Creeper gets gas'd but becomes serious)
As far as the B13 tech, this was resolved right before Jim Lee's Superman run, with Superman #198-200, which was Steven Seagle's short lived Superman run from #190-200. They basically gave the Superman books a clean slate for Lee's run, meaning Metropolis literally being the city of tomorrow had to go away. That run is actually very good, and even gave us a Supergirl who was from the future and was actually Lois and Clark's daughter. If you liked the stories from the trades you read, I think Seagle's would impress you as well, since he's kind of like Joe Kelly only more story oriented and less comedy.
the stuff before that was from the World of New Krypton storyline which pretty much erased itself at the end
Geoff John's run (especially Braniac and Legion of Super-Heroes) is awesome, too
Do you happen to have an issue number for it? If not I'll just look when I get there.
So is that the current Luther arc that everyone is talking about?
Action Comics has had a really rough time the past 5 years. The closest it had to a regular run was the Johns issues I mentioned above, the rest were fill-ins and short lived teams replacing other short lived teams or tieing into that World of New Krypton story that just threw away a lot of potential.
I'd also recommend issues #827-835, as that was a Gail Simone/John Byrne run right before Infinite Crisis that was a lot of fun.
All right, thanks for the info. I will check those out. Thanks a lot!