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How the hell would The Vision still have Baxter Building access, what with him being on the wrong side of Civil War.
I don't think it biases anything. Yeah, maybe Vision can force his way in, but then, Blink and Kitty could likely do that as well, and maybe Jay could, too.
How the hell would The Vision still have Baxter Building access, what with him being on the wrong side of Civil War.
I don't think it biases anything. Yeah, maybe Vision can force his way in, but then, Blink and Kitty could likely do that as well, and maybe Jay could, too.
Different Vision.
Why would Reed (the smartest man on earth) leave a non-functioning Vision with BB access, knowing that Doc Doom, Ultron, or any number of villany people could reactivate Vision and then use him to gain access to his home?
Well, Reed's been pretty busy since Disassembled. Also, I don't think there's anything left of the Vision that's in this fight in the 616 universe, certainly not enough for a villain to rebuild, since the good guys couldn't even find enough to put him back together. Also, there's no reason to think the Baxter Building is from right now, it could come from before Disassembled. Oh, also, the vision is better able to disable any security features in the building than the other three, able to talk to the computer system and with immunities to most defenses that the others lack (intangible or impervious, plus doesn't need to breathe like Kitty does).
Well, Reed's been pretty busy since Disassembled. Also, I don't think there's anything left of the Vision that's in this fight in the 616 universe, certainly not enough for a villain to rebuild, since the good guys couldn't even find enough to put him back together. Also, there's no reason to think the Baxter Building is from right now, it could come from before Disassembled. Oh, also, the vision is better able to disable any security features in the building than the other three, able to talk to the computer system and with immunities to most defenses that the others lack (intangible or impervious, plus doesn't need to breathe like Kitty does).
The Vision is alive and kicking in Young Avengers. He was revived by Iron Lad I believe.
Well, Reed's been pretty busy since Disassembled. Also, I don't think there's anything left of the Vision that's in this fight in the 616 universe, certainly not enough for a villain to rebuild, since the good guys couldn't even find enough to put him back together. Also, there's no reason to think the Baxter Building is from right now, it could come from before Disassembled. Oh, also, the vision is better able to disable any security features in the building than the other three, able to talk to the computer system and with immunities to most defenses that the others lack (intangible or impervious, plus doesn't need to breathe like Kitty does).
The Vision is alive and kicking in Young Avengers. He was revived by Iron Lad I believe.
Technically it's a different Vision, because it's Kang the Conqueror's armor being animated by The Vision's mental paterns.
But they are Visions mental patterns, which is the only logical way the BB defenses could/would recognize Vision, since other more conventional identifiers would be easily spoofable when dealing with synthetic persons.
The Vision is alive and kicking in Young Avengers. He was revived by Iron Lad I believe.
Different Vision. The Vision in Young Avengers is Iron Lad's armor with the Vision's operating system, but none of the memories of the previous Vision. Also, it's brain patterns are based on Iron Lad's instead of Wonder Man's.
Kitty can take out any of the people in this fight pretty easily if she can get close enough, and her ninja training could give her an edge in sneaking up on Flash or Blink. Her main problem is that everyone else is so much more mobile, leaving her chasing them all over the place as they teleport, fly, or run at superspeed around the arena. Which could wear her out pretty well, actually....
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Ninja training teaches you how to sneak up on people traveling mach 1?
Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
Forgetting the fact that it would be nothing short of a miracle to hit someone running at mach 1, any part of you that made contact would most likely be broken/ripped the fuck off.
Edit: I'm banking on Vision or Blink taking out Flash. And then Shadowcat and Blink cleaning up Vision. Girl power and all that
Plus I have a thing for girls with purple hair. *shrug* I'm only human.
Doesn't the Flash have to stop and eat like, constantly? Or was that just from the JL cartoon? I mean, doesn't his metabolism run at a crazy high rate?
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Doesn't the Flash have to stop and eat like, constantly? Or was that just from the JL cartoon? I mean, doesn't his metabolism run at a crazy high rate?
I know the Speed Force doesn't do that. Not so sure about Jay's meta-speed.
Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
LOL, as amusing that image is, Jay would either see it and react in time, or her foot would be ripped off.
As for Jay eating, that hasn't been detirmined.
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Hold on one second, why is the Baxter Building here? That gives way, way too much of an advantage to any Avengers or Fantastic Four affiliated characters. I thought this was supposed to be neutral territory.
Because the Watchtower would be considered out of bounds?
Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
That's too bad, because Jay and the other flashes, speed force connection or not, can and do move that fast pretty much constantly when they feel like it.
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Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
That's too bad, because Jay and the other flashes, speed force connection or not, can and do move that fast pretty much constantly when they feel like it.
BUT HE COULDN'T DODGE A SWORD
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Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
That's too bad, because Jay and the other flashes, speed force connection or not, can and do move that fast pretty much constantly when they feel like it.
BUT HE COULDN'T DODGE A SWORD
That was Wally, and a crappy writer, and I wish you wouldn't bring that up again. Saying that that counts is like saying that the fight between Spidey and Firelord counts.
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Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
That's too bad, because Jay and the other flashes, speed force connection or not, can and do move that fast pretty much constantly when they feel like it.
BUT HE COULDN'T DODGE A SWORD
That was Wally, and a crappy writer, and I wish you wouldn't bring that up again. Saying that that counts is like saying that the fight between Spidey and Firelord counts.
He could dodge all the mines asploding, but not a sword.
His only weakness.
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Hide inside a tree and stick your foot out? He can't be going that fast all the time, it's impossible. Or she could let the other two fighters deal with him, since Kitty's pretty well set in the defense department. Let Vision take out Flash and Blink and then come out to face him.
That's too bad, because Jay and the other flashes, speed force connection or not, can and do move that fast pretty much constantly when they feel like it.
BUT HE COULDN'T DODGE A SWORD
That was Wally, and a crappy writer, and I wish you wouldn't bring that up again. Saying that that counts is like saying that the fight between Spidey and Firelord counts.
He could dodge all the mines asploding, but not a sword.
His only weakness.
Ah... let us also not forget Impulse's unfortunate run in with Deathstrokes shotgun.
Swords and shotguns, a speedsters only weakness...es...
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I loved the caption in that issue.
Wally is fast.
But Deathstroke is faster where it counts.
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That's absolutely preposterous. Deathstroke is no match for Aquaman.
Aquaman is a total, total badass, but Wally's powers are still much more versatile and, well, powerful than Aquaman's.
It's ridiculous.
Deathstroke is the Squirrel Girl of the DCU. He can take out hero's much more powerful then himself. His only weakness? An arrow to his empty eye-socket.
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Since they are giving the exact same reason why the Flash isn't going to get beaten. There is not a single person in that match who can touch him, and the terrain would hardly slow him down.
Since they are giving the exact same reason why the Flash isn't going to get beaten. There is not a single person in that match who can touch him, and the terrain would hardly slow him down.
Well to be fair, he can't touch 2/3 of his opponents either and Blink could be all over the battlefield if she wanted.
Since they are giving the exact same reason why the Flash isn't going to get beaten. There is not a single person in that match who can touch him, and the terrain would hardly slow him down.
That's how I feel about the people voting against Kitty.
"Oh well she has to become tangible sometime ell oh elle".
No, bitch. Just her fists, hitting your face then becoming intangible again. Doesn't look any different either, so you don't know till you got hit. And no, you don't see her telegraphing her strikes either, because she's a fucking ninja. When she's done playing with you, she turns you intangible and sticks you in a fucking rock. Or comes up behind you and inserts an intangible axe handle into your brain and lets the fuck go.
Since they are giving the exact same reason why the Flash isn't going to get beaten. There is not a single person in that match who can touch him, and the terrain would hardly slow him down.
That's how I feel about the people voting against Kitty.
"Oh well she has to become tangible sometime ell oh elle".
No, bitch. Just her fists, hitting your face then becoming intangible again. Doesn't look any different either, so you don't know till you got hit. And no, you don't see her telegraphing her strikes either, because she's a fucking ninja. When she's done playing with you, she turns you intangible and sticks you in a fucking rock. Or comes up behind you and inserts an intangible axe handle into your brain and lets the fuck go.
Game over.
That's very nice but being a ninja isn;t going to help you against a guy who moves over a hundred times faster than you can react, and several times faster than you can even see things happening.
Good luck sticking an axe handle in someone's brain when that someone has about fifteen long seconds from his perspective to react to that axe handle being there. Plus, sneaking up on Jay would naturally occur behind his back, seeing as that's the only part of him you're only going to be remotely able to see as he sprints away from you at a cool 300+ meters per second.
Good luck playing with an invisible guy who you can't touch even if you were tangible.
You are underestimating Jay's decades of experience, some of them spent fighting in place of the ancient Norse gods during Ragnarok.
Kitty's automatically intangible, right? She has to actually concentrate to become solid?
Or was that just for a story arc?
That was just a story arc.
EDIT: I am curious as to how Blink teleporting something into Jay's path is going to work when Jay can pretty much avoid anything that's put in his way (his speed doesn't decrease his manouverability, and he can react fast enough to change directions in time), and when his "way" isn't even visible due to the speeds he's travelling at.
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Kitty apparently does have uber intangibleness, though. Although I don't think she actually practiced for a year, as she seems to think.
Quicksilver and Jay are two entirely different people. For one, Jay is eight times faster than Quicksilver, roughly. And Quicksilver has proven mroe than a match for Kitty and Vision, probably at some point in time.
I'm guessing most of the people dismissing Jay her know absolutely nothing about how powerful superspeed actually is.
It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
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Quicksilver and Jay are two entirely different people.For one, Jay is eight times faster than Quicksilver, roughly. And Quicksilver has proven mroe than a match for Kitty and Vision, probably at some point in time.
Quicksilver could move at the speed of sound.
"Probably at some point in time," is not convincing at all.
It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
Can he dodge that pothoe that suddenyl opened up under him? Tripping while going The speed of sound has to hurt.
It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
Can he dodge that pothoe that suddenyl opened up under him? Tripping while going The speed of sound has to hurt.
Is her mind fast enough to anticipate where he's going to go next? She would literally have to open one up on the exact moment his foot hits the ground. Honestly I know nothing about Blink aside from what you folks say..so I dunno. Plus, with a battleworld like this, Jay isn't going to be running in a long straight line, he'd hit too much shit. He'll be weaving back and forth, with sharp turns and such.
Quicksilver and Jay are two entirely different people.For one, Jay is eight times faster than Quicksilver, roughly. And Quicksilver has proven mroe than a match for Kitty and Vision, probably at some point in time.
Quicksilver could move at the speed of sound.
"Probably at some point in time," is not convincing at all.
Quicksilver could move at something over 100 miles per hour, at his absolute fastest. You must be thinking of Ultimate Quicksilver, who can go at least ten times the speed of sound.
Quicksilver and the Vision have both been in the Avnegers, and Pietro is also associated with the X-Men. I'm pretty sure he's fought both Vision and Shadowcat at one point in time. It would be almost impossible for this not to be the case, seeing as how long they've been around.
Anyway, Quicksilver is one of Marvel's top speedsters, and he gives people a lot of shit. Jay can go way faster than him. Ergo, Jay, who also happens to have at least sixty years of experience under his belt, can give people a lot more shit.
EDIT: And by the by, Kitty still needs to breathe. Jay can still create vortices of air to suck away Kitty's air. intangible or not, Kitty isn't going to last against Jay. BAM.
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It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
Can he dodge that pothoe that suddenyl opened up under him? Tripping while going The speed of sound has to hurt.
Is her mind fast enough to anticipate where he's going to go next? She would literally have to open one up on the exact moment his foot hits the ground. Honestly I know nothing about Blink aside from what you folks say..so I dunno. Plus, with a battleworld like this, Jay isn't going to be running in a long straight line, he'd hit too much shit. He'll be weaving back and forth, with sharp turns and such.
Seeing as she can still see the bastard, coupled with the fact that the hole doesn't necessarily have to be all that deep, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of Jay shattering his legs.
It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
Can he dodge that pothoe that suddenyl opened up under him? Tripping while going The speed of sound has to hurt.
Is her mind fast enough to anticipate where he's going to go next? She would literally have to open one up on the exact moment his foot hits the ground. Honestly I know nothing about Blink aside from what you folks say..so I dunno. Plus, with a battleworld like this, Jay isn't going to be running in a long straight line, he'd hit too much shit. He'll be weaving back and forth, with sharp turns and such.
Exactly. I don't know how else to drive home the idea of Jay being able to think at super speed. Nobody voting seems to be taking this into account.
The only example I can think of is when Wally (yes, I know, Wally is faster, this is an example) had an explosion go off in his house while he was sleeping. As soon as he woke, he cranked his speed to maximum and saved everyone in the house. He had some issues with the kinetic energy from the explosion (i.e. the shards and debris in the air) but was basically just jogging around in a time-frozen world.
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It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
Can he dodge that pothoe that suddenyl opened up under him? Tripping while going The speed of sound has to hurt.
Is her mind fast enough to anticipate where he's going to go next? She would literally have to open one up on the exact moment his foot hits the ground. Honestly I know nothing about Blink aside from what you folks say..so I dunno. Plus, with a battleworld like this, Jay isn't going to be running in a long straight line, he'd hit too much shit. He'll be weaving back and forth, with sharp turns and such.
Seeing as she can still see the bastard, coupled with the fact that the hole doesn't necessarily have to be all that deep, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of Jay shattering his legs.
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Different Vision.
Why would Reed (the smartest man on earth) leave a non-functioning Vision with BB access, knowing that Doc Doom, Ultron, or any number of villany people could reactivate Vision and then use him to gain access to his home?
Technically it's a different Vision, because it's Kang the Conqueror's armor being animated by The Vision's mental paterns.
But they are Visions mental patterns, which is the only logical way the BB defenses could/would recognize Vision, since other more conventional identifiers would be easily spoofable when dealing with synthetic persons.
can she create an infinite amount of portals?
if that's the case, she could just open gates everywhere and force flash to DQ
it's either flash or Blink with kitty as a shoe in...
though i dont know if she's a shoe in just because i
Edit: I'm banking on Vision or Blink taking out Flash. And then Shadowcat and Blink cleaning up Vision. Girl power and all that
Plus I have a thing for girls with purple hair. *shrug* I'm only human.
I know the Speed Force doesn't do that. Not so sure about Jay's meta-speed.
LOL, as amusing that image is, Jay would either see it and react in time, or her foot would be ripped off.
As for Jay eating, that hasn't been detirmined.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Because the Watchtower would be considered out of bounds?
That's too bad, because Jay and the other flashes, speed force connection or not, can and do move that fast pretty much constantly when they feel like it.
BUT HE COULDN'T DODGE A SWORD
That was Wally, and a crappy writer, and I wish you wouldn't bring that up again. Saying that that counts is like saying that the fight between Spidey and Firelord counts.
He could dodge all the mines asploding, but not a sword.
His only weakness.
Ah... let us also not forget Impulse's unfortunate run in with Deathstrokes shotgun.
Swords and shotguns, a speedsters only weakness...es...
Wally is fast.
But Deathstroke is faster where it counts.
Aquaman is a total, total badass, but Wally's powers are still much more versatile and, well, powerful than Aquaman's.
It's ridiculous.
Deathstroke is the Squirrel Girl of the DCU. He can take out hero's much more powerful then himself. His only weakness? An arrow to his empty eye-socket.
Since they are giving the exact same reason why the Flash isn't going to get beaten. There is not a single person in that match who can touch him, and the terrain would hardly slow him down.
Well to be fair, he can't touch 2/3 of his opponents either and Blink could be all over the battlefield if she wanted.
That's how I feel about the people voting against Kitty.
"Oh well she has to become tangible sometime ell oh elle".
No, bitch. Just her fists, hitting your face then becoming intangible again. Doesn't look any different either, so you don't know till you got hit. And no, you don't see her telegraphing her strikes either, because she's a fucking ninja. When she's done playing with you, she turns you intangible and sticks you in a fucking rock. Or comes up behind you and inserts an intangible axe handle into your brain and lets the fuck go.
Game over.
That's very nice but being a ninja isn;t going to help you against a guy who moves over a hundred times faster than you can react, and several times faster than you can even see things happening.
Good luck sticking an axe handle in someone's brain when that someone has about fifteen long seconds from his perspective to react to that axe handle being there. Plus, sneaking up on Jay would naturally occur behind his back, seeing as that's the only part of him you're only going to be remotely able to see as he sprints away from you at a cool 300+ meters per second.
Good luck playing with an invisible guy who you can't touch even if you were tangible.
You are underestimating Jay's decades of experience, some of them spent fighting in place of the ancient Norse gods during Ragnarok.
Or was that just for a story arc?
That was just a story arc.
EDIT: I am curious as to how Blink teleporting something into Jay's path is going to work when Jay can pretty much avoid anything that's put in his way (his speed doesn't decrease his manouverability, and he can react fast enough to change directions in time), and when his "way" isn't even visible due to the speeds he's travelling at.
I'm guessing most of the people dismissing Jay her know absolutely nothing about how powerful superspeed actually is.
It's going to come down to how long Kitty can stay intangible. Does this wear her out in any way? And don't give me that 'just her fists' bullshit. That's still something Jay can grab onto at superspeed.
And Blink is just outclassed here by everyone. And no, she can't hit Jay because when he's got the speed on the world moves in super slo-mo to him. I think he can dodge a few portals.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
"Probably at some point in time," is not convincing at all.
Can he dodge that pothoe that suddenyl opened up under him? Tripping while going The speed of sound has to hurt.
Is her mind fast enough to anticipate where he's going to go next? She would literally have to open one up on the exact moment his foot hits the ground. Honestly I know nothing about Blink aside from what you folks say..so I dunno. Plus, with a battleworld like this, Jay isn't going to be running in a long straight line, he'd hit too much shit. He'll be weaving back and forth, with sharp turns and such.
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Quicksilver could move at something over 100 miles per hour, at his absolute fastest. You must be thinking of Ultimate Quicksilver, who can go at least ten times the speed of sound.
Quicksilver and the Vision have both been in the Avnegers, and Pietro is also associated with the X-Men. I'm pretty sure he's fought both Vision and Shadowcat at one point in time. It would be almost impossible for this not to be the case, seeing as how long they've been around.
Anyway, Quicksilver is one of Marvel's top speedsters, and he gives people a lot of shit. Jay can go way faster than him. Ergo, Jay, who also happens to have at least sixty years of experience under his belt, can give people a lot more shit.
EDIT: And by the by, Kitty still needs to breathe. Jay can still create vortices of air to suck away Kitty's air. intangible or not, Kitty isn't going to last against Jay. BAM.
Seeing as she can still see the bastard, coupled with the fact that the hole doesn't necessarily have to be all that deep, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of Jay shattering his legs.
Exactly. I don't know how else to drive home the idea of Jay being able to think at super speed. Nobody voting seems to be taking this into account.
The only example I can think of is when Wally (yes, I know, Wally is faster, this is an example) had an explosion go off in his house while he was sleeping. As soon as he woke, he cranked his speed to maximum and saved everyone in the house. He had some issues with the kinetic energy from the explosion (i.e. the shards and debris in the air) but was basically just jogging around in a time-frozen world.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Uhm.
Blink can't see Jay.
It's like trying to see a bullet.