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Pay for Opera, say Nintendo. Browser update to cost 500 points.

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  • NorfairNorfair Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think people are ignoring this line from the OP:
    500 points for the Opera update. Anyone who hasn't paid yet has to pay now.

    Looks like Nintendo is only dicking over the people who downloaded Opera during the trial/beta/whatever it was, and that was only for a few months nearly two years ago anyway.

    It's still kind of a dick move, but it's not dicking over everybody who bought it.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Norfair wrote: »
    I think people are ignoring this line from the OP:
    500 points for the Opera update. Anyone who hasn't paid yet has to pay now.

    Looks like Nintendo is only dicking over the people who downloaded Opera during the trial/beta/whatever it was, and that was only for a few months nearly two years ago anyway.

    It's still kind of a dick move, but it's not dicking over everybody who bought it.

    It is dicking me.

    Djiem on
  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    So... $5 for a great browser? Seems reasonable.

    No it isn't. Paying for a browser that is an upgrade of a free one is not reasonable. Hell, paying for a browser isn't reasonable.

    Its software that someone spent money developing, testing and deploying. Its worth money. Don't want to pay it? Don't use it. Capitalism at work.

    This is just retarded. There are more ways to make money off of a product than simply selling it for money. There is also a reason console developers usually provide free shit instead of nickle and dimeing you to death. There is a reason Opera is free on PCs and the PS3 browser is free. There is also a reason why people expect free shit not to force you to pay for relatively small updates. "lolcapitalism" arguments simplify complex issues into one stupid argument that ignores why people expect this shit to be free.

    I would like to know how you expect the companies to know why people aren't spending money on this shit. Bitching about it is a way to tell companies why many people aren't buying their shit.

    So use your PC/PS3 browser then?

    The sense of entitlement on these forums is just retarded. It wasn't that long ago that people were paying for browsers on the PC.

    I've had the Internet since 1996 or so, I don't remember the exact date, and I never paid a cent for any browser ever. Should we stop expecting free firmware updates too? I mean, feeling entitled to something that was always provided for free is "retarded" for sure.

    Firstly -"Always provided" - is not true. Opera used to cost money, Netscape used to cost money, lots of browers used to cost money. The world didn't come into existence in the past 5 years.

    Secondly even in this generation , consoles don't always provide browsers. You can't browse on an X360. You couldn't browse on an XBox, a PS2 or a Gamecube either.

    Its funny that people hate having the option of paying $5 for a browser, but are fine with not having a browser at all on the X360.

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  • darren66darren66 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    It is dicking me.

    How? You don't even own the browser.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Thread summation:

    A: "Thing X costs me money!"
    B: "Everything has a price. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "BUT IT WAS FREE!"
    B: "Are you seriously going to be using it as primary means of Internet browsing? Or even enough to warrant this complaint?"
    A: "No, but IT COSTS MONEY! IT SHOULD BE FREE!!!!"
    B: "You're just complaining to fucking complain. You're not going to change anything, least of all something with as minor an impact to your daily life as this."

    Please continue to stick to this theme until the thread is inevitably locked.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    hmm, good thing I don't use the wii for surfing the internet

    ...or anything else! hachachacha

    I laughed at this more than I should have...
    :lol:

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  • darren66darren66 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Its funny that people hate having the option of paying $5 for a browser, but are fine with not having a browser at all on the X360.

    Congrats, this should successfully explain this to the few people who don't get it yet.

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  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    yes because all counter arguments to the point will be made in all caps

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    It's also not completely unexpected. Every current-gen console and handheld (except the 360) has a web browser, but only one makes you pay for it: the DS. Nintendo charging to surf the web is not without precedent.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    tyrannus wrote: »
    yes because all counter arguments to the point will be made in all caps

    It's the language of futile whining and angry keyboard throwing or whatever of entitled people do when they're informed to be wrong.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Honestly i'd gladly pay for this if we got a fucking flash update.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Where does it say that you have to pay for the upgrade if you already have the browser?

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    It's also not completely unexpected. Every current-gen console and handheld (except the 360) has a web browser, but only one makes you pay for it: the DS. Nintendo charging to surf the web is not without precedent.

    And for the past like forever minus a very short time the Wii browser has cost $5

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I don't think we've gotten the official announcement yet, but the hand-wringing comes from some language that says "If you've already paid for the browser, the update will be free".

    Lot's of people got the browser for free (i.e. did not pay) when it was offered as such for a few months early in the Wii's life. Thus, people who downloaded it back then are now pissed because it looks as if they may have to pay for the upgrade.

    We don't know for sure. Either way it doesn't affect me and actually affects nobody whom Nintendo gives a shit about either.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I mean.

    Shame on you PA.

    For making this assumption.

    I mean.

    GAF made this assumption.

    I thought you were all better then this.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Once again let me remind everyone that it is Adobe to blame for the lack of small device flash. The bastards hate anything that isn't on a personal computer.

    Wii browser can come in very handy when you need to show people some random youtube clip. It's decent for checking guides in a pinch, and I've used it to post here from time to time. It's my favorite of all the current gen browsers, but that's not saying much.

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    $5 dollars is way too little money for such a gold-standard browser as the Nintendo Wii Opera Browser for the Nintendo Wii. You can watch Youtube on it, for God's sakes.

    I will of course erase my old free copy and re-buy this upgrade, then send a check for forty-five dollars in the mail to Nintendo.

    Anything less would be an insult to Miyamoto-san.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    Thread summation:

    A: "They're trying to get the 5$ back from people who had it for free. Sounds kinda dick to me."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But the PS3 has a superior browser for free."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But in the entire Internet's lifetime, there always have been free browsers, games and softwares. Why can't the Wii browser be free like it was at first, like the PS3's is, like the PC's are, and like the DSi's browser is?"
    B: "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO COST MONEY! Welcome to capitalism!"

    Please continue to stick to this theme until the thread is inevitably locked.

    Djiem on
  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    PS3 browser blows. The interface is terrible, and I'm amazed at how chunky it runs on such vaunted hardware. Power of CELL indeed.

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  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    i thought you said you wouldn't buy a PS3 until it hit $150?

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I was one of the fools who bought the ds browser. Fool me twice, shame on me~

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    Thread summation:

    A: "They're trying to get the 5$ back from people who had it for free. Sounds kinda dick to me."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But the PS3 has a superior browser for free."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But in the entire Internet's lifetime, there always have been free browsers, games and softwares. Why can't the Wii browser be free like it was at first, like the PS3's is, like the PC's are, and like the DSi's browser is?"
    B: "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO COST MONEY! Welcome to capitalism!"

    Please continue to stick to this theme until the thread is inevitably locked.

    Go use your free internet browser on your PS3 and PC, you dirty Quebecois hippy. Here in America we pay for shit and we like it.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You need to buy a PS3 when you can borrow one every few months to play the "Wait for X..." game?

    Same goes for the 360, mind.

    It's called having friends who like other consoles. They can and have borrowed my other Wii when they need to play the Nintendo game of the quarter.

    It works out well.

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  • HtownHtown Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Why are you guys being so retarded? Stop overreacting. I'm damn sure if you already have the browser, you won't have to pay for the update.

    This
    If you paid for the first version of the browser, you don’t have to pay for this one

    Does not mean this
    If you got the first version of the browser for free, you have to pay for this one

    I'm pretty sure it means that if you already have the browser, you don't have to pay to upgrade it. People who got the browser for free and people who paid for it look the same to the Wii shop channel. The Wii browser is just in your account.

    You people are overreacting to wording on a blog that

    A) Doesn't say anywhere that the people who got the browser free have to pay for it
    B) Is just a summary of news from another website, which...
    C) Is in another language anyway.

    You are inferring something that is not stated from a blog post summary of a website translation.

    In other words, CALM THE FUCK DOWN.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    I was one of the fools who bought the ds browser. Fool me twice, shame on me~

    I did too. I didn't realize the load time would feel like I was using something worse then a 56k modem.

    As far as this? I couldn't care less. Using my wii to web browse seems kinda pointless really. I do wish nintendo would do flash functionality but it could be hardware limited for that. Oh well. thats the way it goes.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The DS browser is better than the PSP browser, but not $30 better.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    What's great is that the PSP browser actually isn't too bad.

    But the PS3 cannot even come close to it.


    And the DS browser is the shittiest shit ever shat

    But the Wii browser is actually not too bad.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The DS browser is better than the PSP browser, but not $30 better.

    What's wrong with the PSP browser? I've not had any problems with it.

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  • ecco the dolphinecco the dolphin Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    Thread summation:

    A: "They're trying to get the 5$ back from people who had it for free. Sounds kinda dick to me."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But the PS3 has a superior browser for free."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But in the entire Internet's lifetime, there always have been free browsers, games and softwares. Why can't the Wii browser be free like it was at first, like the PS3's is, like the PC's are, and like the DSi's browser is?"
    B: "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO COST MONEY! Welcome to capitalism!"

    Please continue to stick to this theme until the thread is inevitably locked.

    Hey, just curious, why exactly should browsers be free?

    I mean, some are, but why should they be free, as you seem to be saying? And games, and other "softwares".

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    The DS browser is better than the PSP browser, but not $30 better.

    What's wrong with the PSP browser? I've not had any problems with it.

    Input, screen formatting (which of course is an issue on almost all device based browsing) and a few other things.

    Granted, I haven't used one for browsing in over two years.

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  • mastriusmastrius Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Why cant people just use their computers...? Obviously you have internet if youre going online with your Wii and PS3 right? I can see maybe if the computer broke for a while but are you THAT internet depraved?

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I occasionally use the Wii for internet browsing. It's nice to loaf and surf.

    Also, as mentioned above, the ps3 browser is awful.

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  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    Thread summation:

    A: "They're selling a product."
    B: "WTF? OMG! It needs to be free! This is the worst fucking thing anyone has ever done"
    A: "Why? It cost them money to make."
    B: "FUCK OFF NINTENDO YOU GREEDY FUCKS"
    A: "Also, its only $5. And the X360 doesn't have a browser at all. And its better than the PS3 browser."
    B: "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE FREE!!"

    Please continue to stick to this theme until the thread is inevitably locked.

    Very true.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    Thread summation:

    A: "They're trying to get the 5$ back from people who had it for free. Sounds kinda dick to me."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But the PS3 has a superior browser for free."
    B: "Everything has a price, except things that don't. Welcome to capitalism."
    A: "But in the entire Internet's lifetime, there always have been free browsers, games and softwares. Why can't the Wii browser be free like it was at first, like the PS3's is, like the PC's are, and like the DSi's browser is?"
    B: "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO COST MONEY! Welcome to capitalism!"

    Please continue to stick to this theme until the thread is inevitably locked.

    Hey, just curious, why exactly should browsers be free?

    I mean, some are, but why should they be free, as you seem to be saying? And games, and other "softwares".

    With geeks today making a lot of stuff for free, just for the fun of doing it or the online cred, it's obvious that a browser isn't something as huge as a full-fledged videogame. It's not as much as browsers should be free because they're browsers, but the way the market has evolved, and the internet, and users, and such, today, browsers are expected to be a free commodity. A ton of things are still being done for free on the PC, not that they HAD to be. But, with the way things are today, a browser, especially a shitty afterthought like the Wii's, should be free.

    EDIT: If you seriously think the Wii's browser is better than the PS3's, you've got serious issues. Also, JohnDoe, YOUR side is the overreacting one.

    Djiem on
  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Theres plenty of flash and freeware games out there.

    But Microsoft makes you pay for XBox Live Arcade games! The nerve of those people! Making you pay for something that costs money!

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Theres plenty of flash and freeware games out there.

    But Microsoft makes you pay for XBox Live Arcade games! The nerve of those people! Making you pay for something that costs money!

    Because the time and money invested in the Opera browser for the Wii is certainly as big as those XBLA titles.
    But you're right, they should remove the News and Weather channels and sell them instead. We've been way too spoiled. Getting shit for free. Now look at us. We expect our actual games and consoles to be free too, these days. Or we don't.

    Djiem on
  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    In terms of ease of use the Wii browser > ps3 browser.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    In terms of ease of use the Wii browser > ps3 browser.

    You can plug a mouse and keyboard in the Wii?

    Djiem on
  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Pointing the remote on the screen is pretty much a mouse.

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  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Theres plenty of flash and freeware games out there.

    But Microsoft makes you pay for XBox Live Arcade games! The nerve of those people! Making you pay for something that costs money!

    Because the time and money invested in the Opera browser for the Wii is certainly as big as those XBLA titles.
    But you're right, they should remove the News and Weather channels and sell them instead. We've been way too spoiled. Getting shit for free. Now look at us. We expect our actual games and consoles to be free too, these days. Or we don't.

    Yes, Opera software, a company of over 400 people put in less effort on their software than random XBLA titles.

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