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A group of gunmen has set off a series of attacks in Mumbai, India's financial capital. They have taken hostages at two luxury hotels, one of which has suffered at least one massive explosion and is now on fire. Approximately 80 deaths have been reported so far. Reports say that the attackers were targetting people with American or British passports.
Terrorism attacks are pretty common in India. Although usually in the middle of no where, rather than in a big city full of westerners, so no one cares.
Obviously they are upset that India is becoming important and useful.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
edited November 2008
9 simultaneous attacks is pretty bold. That's a fair amount of coordination. I wonder if it's the standard local Muslim/Hindu drama with American/British hostages as attempted leverage or if it's an attack on Westerners.
9 simultaneous attacks is pretty bold. That's a fair amount of coordination. I wonder if it's the standard local Muslim/Hindu drama with American/British hostages as attempted leverage or if it's an attack on Westerners.
Apparently at any one time there are a fair number of civil insurgencies going on in India, outside of the commonly known example of Kashmir. But then that is what happens if you have a country of that size, with that number of different ethnic or national groups I guess. So who really knows who these guys are
So apparently the chief of India's counter terrorism group was assassinated as part of the attacks along with two other top people.
Whee, assholes taking advantage of the world being too busy to help other parts of the world.
Possibly. Given the sheer scope of the attacks it really feels like the ISI, Pakistan's Intelligence service, is pulling the strings. Relations between the two countries is getting better which always seems to piss off the ISI and they do have a history of supporting terrorists in India. And this is extremely impressive for a group that no one has heard of before.
Possibly. Given the sheer scope of the attacks it really feels like the ISI, Pakistan's Intelligence service, is pulling the strings. Relations between the two countries is getting better which always seems to piss off the ISI and they do have a history of supporting terrorists in India. And this is extremely impressive for a group that no one has heard of before.
MSNBC just had an expert on who estimated from the various descriptions of weapons and explosives it probably only cost that about 5k for materials and transportation. As far as planning and setting up a time table...yeah, the Pakistani intelligence service seems the likely culprit. With simultaneous, multiple attacks on this scale they would have needed a certain degree of expertise to pull it off.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
No links to everyone's favorite Islamic Terrorist Organisation in Afganistan?
Al-Qaeda doesn't have much in the way of ties to Islamic groups in India. They already have a source of funding and support via the ISI. A lot of them already have support structures in place and that's really what Al-Qaeda brings to the table for smaller terrorist groups.
So apparently the chief of India's counter terrorism group was assassinated as part of the attacks along with two other top people.
What I heard was that he wasn't directly targetted, but he was on the scene with the initial police response to the bombings and then the terrorists attacked the police positions with automatic weapons.
Apparently at any one time there are a fair number of civil insurgencies going on in India, outside of the commonly known example of Kashmir. But then that is what happens if you have a country of that size, with that number of different ethnic or national groups I guess. So who really knows who these guys are
Well primarily those are conflicts between the local Muslim, Hindi and Sikh populations. Stuff targeting westerners is not terribly common.
Apparently at any one time there are a fair number of civil insurgencies going on in India, outside of the commonly known example of Kashmir. But then that is what happens if you have a country of that size, with that number of different ethnic or national groups I guess. So who really knows who these guys are
Well primarily those are conflicts between the local Muslim, Hindi and Sikh populations. Stuff targeting westerners is not terribly common.
Sure, then all the little regional independence movements that float about the periphery.
Haha I was thinking about this. By paying so much attention, we "give them what they want." In other words, rewarding the terrorists for their actions. On the other hand, though, you can't just ignore it like it's a 2-year-old's tantrum.
"Just ignore him. He'll stop killing hundreds of people eventually."
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BobCescaIs a girlBirmingham, UKRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
So the hostages at the Taj Hotel have been released, but gunmen are thought to be still at large at other sites.
But the BBC's Mark Dummett, outside the Taj Mahal, says the situation has since become very confused, with the sounds of explosions and gunfire being heard from within the hotel, suggesting the siege is not yet over.
They're also saying over 100 people have been killed, and 287 injured.
A group of gunmen has set off a series of attacks in Mumbai, India's financial capital. They have taken hostages at two luxury hotels, one of which has suffered at least one massive explosion and is now on fire. Approximately 80 deaths have been reported so far. Reports say that the attackers were targetting people with American or British passports.
A group of gunmen has set off a series of attacks in Mumbai, India's financial capital. They have taken hostages at two luxury hotels, one of which has suffered at least one massive explosion and is now on fire. Approximately 80 deaths have been reported so far. Reports say that the attackers were targetting people with American or British passports.
A group calling itself "Deccan Mujjahadin" has sent e-mails claiming responsibility, but there doesn't seem to be much information about them.
That's weird. Historically the Deccan has been the staging ground for Hindu fundamentalists.
Maybe there is some other meaning of Deccan I'm not aware of.
The Deccan is pretty damn big with room enough for all kinds of craziness, and there are various million+ concentrations of Urdu speaking Muslims, especially around/in Hyderabad (where there was a strong Muslim ruled state up until 1947).
I read somewhere yesterday that the Indian army was deploying 6 companies to the area to fight these guys. That's as many as 1,200 troops. I'm wondering how many of these fuckers there really are if some of them are still at large and armed in the city.
I read somewhere yesterday that the Indian army was deploying 6 companies to the area to fight these guys. That's as many as 1,200 troops. I'm wondering how many of these fuckers there really are if some of them are still at large and armed in the city.
Isn't it normal for a government to send troops to disaster (manmade and otherwise) areas to keep looting down? Wouldn't a historic hotel be loaded with lootables?
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both, i imagine.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/11/19/somalia.pirates/index.html
It's possible but given the history of India it's unlikely. There has been a steady rise in bombings in India of late.
Whee, assholes taking advantage of the world being too busy to help other parts of the world.
Possibly. Given the sheer scope of the attacks it really feels like the ISI, Pakistan's Intelligence service, is pulling the strings. Relations between the two countries is getting better which always seems to piss off the ISI and they do have a history of supporting terrorists in India. And this is extremely impressive for a group that no one has heard of before.
MSNBC just had an expert on who estimated from the various descriptions of weapons and explosives it probably only cost that about 5k for materials and transportation. As far as planning and setting up a time table...yeah, the Pakistani intelligence service seems the likely culprit. With simultaneous, multiple attacks on this scale they would have needed a certain degree of expertise to pull it off.
Situation excellent. I am attacking.
- General Ferdinand Foch
Al-Qaeda doesn't have much in the way of ties to Islamic groups in India. They already have a source of funding and support via the ISI. A lot of them already have support structures in place and that's really what Al-Qaeda brings to the table for smaller terrorist groups.
What I heard was that he wasn't directly targetted, but he was on the scene with the initial police response to the bombings and then the terrorists attacked the police positions with automatic weapons.
Well primarily those are conflicts between the local Muslim, Hindi and Sikh populations. Stuff targeting westerners is not terribly common.
Sure, then all the little regional independence movements that float about the periphery.
That's what I originally read through yahoo. Which I suppose would be AP?
Then I continue reading and find that India is actually pretty familiar with terrorist attacks.
So it took a focus on attacking foreigners to draw my attention to it.
Haha I was thinking about this. By paying so much attention, we "give them what they want." In other words, rewarding the terrorists for their actions. On the other hand, though, you can't just ignore it like it's a 2-year-old's tantrum.
"Just ignore him. He'll stop killing hundreds of people eventually."
However,
They're also saying over 100 people have been killed, and 287 injured.
That's weird. Historically the Deccan has been the staging ground for Hindu fundamentalists.
Maybe there is some other meaning of Deccan I'm not aware of.
most media outlets distinguish between american lives and third world lives.
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The Deccan is pretty damn big with room enough for all kinds of craziness, and there are various million+ concentrations of Urdu speaking Muslims, especially around/in Hyderabad (where there was a strong Muslim ruled state up until 1947).
that is a lot of bad news.
My aunt is in India to see her swami.
We lost contact with her two days ago.
I have to admit I am rather worried.
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Also, is it westerners or people with British/American citizenship, the news has been pretty unclear on this?
Isn't it normal for a government to send troops to disaster (manmade and otherwise) areas to keep looting down? Wouldn't a historic hotel be loaded with lootables?
Hello! This made the news a month ago and had double the body count.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26950301/
There was another stampede a month before that, killing 140.