I will be more than happy to make any updates, just pm them to me... y'know so I see them and also so I get whatever details are needed inputted correctly
What would be cooler is if I could STEALTH to the mob with some sort of, oh I don't know CAMOUFLAGE and lay a trap down.
The only other acceptable alternative would be if all my traps could be attached to arrows. Really, if I'm going to glue anything to a trap, it's going to be a ball of snakes a fiery dot or something that will slow my quarry down seeing as my options for ranged cc already include a disorienting shot and an sting that will sleep my target.
Did any other class get the short stick in the endgame skill draw. Not really.
Locks can port
Pallys can heal/prevent dmg
Priests... cc/heal
Roges... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
Did any other class get the short stick in the endgame skill draw. Not really.
Locks can port
Pallys can heal/prevent dmg
Priests... cc/heal
Roges... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
I thorw my weapon....horrary? Its kinda nice having an instant range pull but then again...tanut now has a 20 yard range and I already had a ranged weapon.
Did any other class get the short stick in the endgame skill draw. Not really.
Locks can port
Pallys can heal/prevent dmg
Priests... cc/heal
Roges... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
I thorw my weapon....horrary? Its kinda nice having an instant range pull but then again...tanut now has a 20 yard range and I already had a ranged weapon.
Yeah.... why would you want a skill that could compete with the paladin's shield toss to start agro at the beggining of a fight?
heroic throw hits one target, not three, it's on twice the cooldown and it does physical damage, not holy
it's not a bad skill, especially if you take gag order to make it silence the target
but really you're complaining too much
edit: and yeah divine hymn is some weird shit
so you're saying that the extra dmg for pulling in comparison to say shooting it with a bow is bad? The shield hits 3 targets and causes a fair amount of agro. If you had something you needed to tank, wouldn't more agro to start with be a good thing?
I'm just thinking of all the times I was working with a prot warrior and I got all the agro from my shield, and he got nothing from his bow
heroic throw hits one target, not three, it's on twice the cooldown and it does physical damage, not holy
it's not a bad skill, especially if you take gag order to make it silence the target
but really you're complaining too much
edit: and yeah divine hymn is some weird shit
so you're saying that the extra dmg for pulling in comparison to say shooting it with a bow is bad? The shield hits 3 targets and causes a fair amount of agro. If you had something you needed to tank, wouldn't more agro to start with be a good thing?
I'm just thinking of all the times I was working with a prot warrior and I got all the agro from my shield, and he got nothing from his bow
you said heroic throw compares with avenger's shield in initial aggro. I pointed out the ways in which avenger's shield is much better (it should be, it's a talented ability and we're talking about level 80 baseline skills here)
I didn't say more initial aggro was bad, where did you get that? seriously, you didn't really read what I wrote did you
and if they gave you camo or stealth or whatever, then everyone else would complain because all their level 80 learned abilities would pale in comparison
heroic throw hits one target, not three, it's on twice the cooldown and it does physical damage, not holy
it's not a bad skill, especially if you take gag order to make it silence the target
but really you're complaining too much
edit: and yeah divine hymn is some weird shit
so you're saying that the extra dmg for pulling in comparison to say shooting it with a bow is bad? The shield hits 3 targets and causes a fair amount of agro. If you had something you needed to tank, wouldn't more agro to start with be a good thing?
I'm just thinking of all the times I was working with a prot warrior and I got all the agro from my shield, and he got nothing from his bow
you said heroic throw compares with avenger's shield in initial aggro. I pointed out the ways in which avenger's shield is much better (it should be, it's a talented ability and we're talking about level 80 baseline skills here)
I didn't say more initial aggro was bad, where did you get that? seriously, you didn't really read what I wrote did you
and if they gave you camo or stealth or whatever, then everyone else would complain because all their level 80 learned abilities would pale in comparison
i read what you said a little wrong... man why did you have to bite my head off though... now i am crying you are a meany!
Rogues... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
I look at it as retribution for all the times a hunter has taken a piece of DPS leather over a rogue.
just be glad I refuse to take it. All the place that talk about awesome warrior DPS say to roll on leather/mail DPS loot because they don't "waste" item level points on non DPS stats or some such reason. I think thats dumb.
Rogues... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
I look at it as retribution for all the times a hunter has taken a piece of DPS leather over a rogue.
just be glad I refuse to take it. All the place that talk about awesome warrior DPS say to roll on leather/mail DPS loot because they don't "waste" item level points on non DPS stats or some such reason. I think thats dumb.
Rogues... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
I look at it as retribution for all the times a hunter has taken a piece of DPS leather over a rogue.
all loot is hunter loot... don't you know this to be true.
t bucket: when I used to run mc there was this warrior who would go on and on about how he was a rogue in plate... except that he wore a lot of leather
look man, just because I work for a company for that educates kids specifically in reading and writing AND I have a masters degree in writing does not mean I need to follow your socially structured rules. Illiteracy isn't a choice maaaan.
the warlock port is fucking useless, 40 ft. is way too short of a range to be meaningful. The only fun i had with it is jumping off of naxx that time that I showed up and didn't get to go, and then porting myself to safety, then watching revash do the same thing only to jump off immediately after and die.
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Blizzard has already stated that they are looking into hunters and warlocks for improvements.
I think ALL hunters should be able to get the new pets; top tier BM talent should be more talent points + 50% more damage on ALL pet abilities and +50% threat generation for tanking pets/+50% agro dumping for other pets.
Marks is good right now just some mana regen issues which are fixed by not being lazy and switching aspects.
Survival needs Expose weakness needs to go back to a mob debuff not a buff on the hunter and needs some dps increases
the warlock port is fucking useless, 40 ft. is way too short of a range to be meaningful. The only fun i had with it is jumping off of naxx that time that I showed up and didn't get to go, and then porting myself to safety, then watching revash do the same thing only to jump off immediately after and die.
You aren't using it in the right manner, wherein we use it to do the Thaddeus fight in our sleep (or wipe it)
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And then there's Azjol Nerub.
Oh you mean the one you can run 18 times in about 5 minutes?
as far as end game skills or late tree talents go, 'mildly convenient' is usually worse than 'extremely powerful'
What would be cooler is if I could STEALTH to the mob with some sort of, oh I don't know CAMOUFLAGE and lay a trap down.
The only other acceptable alternative would be if all my traps could be attached to arrows. Really, if I'm going to glue anything to a trap, it's going to be a ball of snakes a fiery dot or something that will slow my quarry down seeing as my options for ranged cc already include a disorienting shot and an sting that will sleep my target.
Locks can port
Pallys can heal/prevent dmg
Priests... cc/heal
Roges... aoe (AND YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY END GAME TALENT FROM THE LAST EXPANSION)!
I thorw my weapon....horrary? Its kinda nice having an instant range pull but then again...tanut now has a 20 yard range and I already had a ranged weapon.
Yeah.... why would you want a skill that could compete with the paladin's shield toss to start agro at the beggining of a fight?
it's not a bad skill, especially if you take gag order to make it silence the target
but really you're complaining too much
edit: and yeah divine hymn is some weird shit
Damn I've been playing since release!
i think dealing with just a fairly convenient 80 skill is worth it when you're potentially the best pve dps in the game
so you're saying that the extra dmg for pulling in comparison to say shooting it with a bow is bad? The shield hits 3 targets and causes a fair amount of agro. If you had something you needed to tank, wouldn't more agro to start with be a good thing?
I'm just thinking of all the times I was working with a prot warrior and I got all the agro from my shield, and he got nothing from his bow
Oh really? see I havent been Prot since I hit 80 so I forgot Gag Order effected it.
But still, its not nearly as cool as some of the other classes. Heroic Regeneration however is great!
you said heroic throw compares with avenger's shield in initial aggro. I pointed out the ways in which avenger's shield is much better (it should be, it's a talented ability and we're talking about level 80 baseline skills here)
I didn't say more initial aggro was bad, where did you get that? seriously, you didn't really read what I wrote did you
and if they gave you camo or stealth or whatever, then everyone else would complain because all their level 80 learned abilities would pale in comparison
i read what you said a little wrong... man why did you have to bite my head off though... now i am crying
I look at it as retribution for all the times a hunter has taken a piece of DPS leather over a rogue.
(l2read)
just be glad I refuse to take it. All the place that talk about awesome warrior DPS say to roll on leather/mail DPS loot because they don't "waste" item level points on non DPS stats or some such reason. I think thats dumb.
This is why you're my group 2 buddy.
all loot is hunter loot... don't you know this to be true.
t bucket: when I used to run mc there was this warrior who would go on and on about how he was a rogue in plate... except that he wore a lot of leather
look man, just because I work for a company for that educates kids specifically in reading and writing AND I have a masters degree in writing does not mean I need to follow your socially structured rules. Illiteracy isn't a choice maaaan.
I think ALL hunters should be able to get the new pets; top tier BM talent should be more talent points + 50% more damage on ALL pet abilities and +50% threat generation for tanking pets/+50% agro dumping for other pets.
Marks is good right now just some mana regen issues which are fixed by not being lazy and switching aspects.
Survival needs Expose weakness needs to go back to a mob debuff not a buff on the hunter and needs some dps increases
You aren't using it in the right manner, wherein we use it to do the Thaddeus fight in our sleep (or wipe it)
and ridiculously good for pvp
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