I don't think they had pagers, but they had corny slang, especially in the first couple seasons.
As I understand things, Whedon made up all the slang, so it wouldn't sound dated (usually when writers write high school dialogue they use their high school slang, which is already 20-something years old. I watched season 1 of Buffy about a year ago and the slang was bad, but not too painful.
Okay I guess i'm fucked up. I had no intention of watching Dollhouse but I couldn't sleep so I gave it a shot and I was really happy with it.
I never really liked Buffy or Angel but I enjoyed Serenity and Dr. Horrible. So I don't think that really makes me a Whedon advocate but I feel that Dollhouse has been advertised rather inappropriately.
Its the lack of cellphones that date the show for me. So many situations could have been avoided if they had them.
Do they have pagers, though?
I seem to remember pretty much every high-schooler, particularly girls, having at least a pager (if not a cellphone) by the late '90s. That might have just been where I lived, though.
They had pagers. There's a Season 1 episodes where Buffy's going out on a date, and she tells Giles, "If the apocolypse comes .... beep me!"
I would have preferred Dollhouse to be overt, publicly lauded, utterly benevolent and purely voluntary. I think that would have provided more interesting dramatic and philosophical tensions as Echo inevitably becomes more and more unraveled.
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Yeah, I really disliked that part. It's just so impractical, given the scope of their business and all. And the huge building... How would they explain that? Where could they possibly be hidden that they feel they have the luxury of setting up so grand a place? I'd have liked it much better were the Dollhouse a public organization.
Because now all it is is shit just waiting to hit the fan, and it's gonna be, "Let's hide the big organization!"
Also, I really liked the first episode, but I do think we can agree that the "interview" at the beginning was just terrible. Just, bad bad dialog.
I would have preferred Dollhouse to be overt, publicly lauded, utterly benevolent and purely voluntary. I think that would have provided more interesting dramatic and philosophical tensions as Echo inevitably becomes more and more unraveled.
Minor "not really plot related" spoilers
Yeah, I really disliked that part. It's just so impractical, given the scope of their business and all. And the huge building... How would they explain that? Where could they possibly be hidden that they feel they have the luxury of setting up so grand a place? I'd have liked it much better were the Dollhouse a public organization.
Because now all it is is shit just waiting to hit the fan, and it's gonna be, "Let's hide the big organization!"
Also, I really liked the first episode, but I do think we can agree that the "interview" at the beginning was just terrible. Just, bad bad dialog.
"But... that's just what she always told me."
HM! Subtle hint to begin guessing who "she" is?!
Whedon you sly dog!
Yeah the interview should have been handled better.
What huge building? So far all we've seen suggests smallish office + parking garage. There seems to be about five Dolls, and it certainly not suggested that more than, say, ten exist/are active. There's one tech, one doctor. A larger organization would have a number of them.
And clearly the Dollhouse can't be public and overt because it'd be illegal/controversial to the extreme. Nor does it need to be as its clientele is obviously fairly limited to the richest people who "have everything" (a la Helo's speech). And the public knowledge of the existence of "Doll's" would actually hurt their effectiveness as impossibly well suited 'escorts' and specialists.
The building they were in was rather large in comparison to say, keeping the girls hidden in a shack.
And if I recall, it was also above ground. And there were certainly more than 5. Did you see the shower scene? And them wandering around. It looked like there were dozens in total, perhaps.
And if they ever were found out, that's a lot of technology. It's not like they could possibly think they could ever be a mobile operation. If they're found out, it's over.
Unless they can convince the cops that the chair is just for hair transplants or something.
If Whedon says he's going to abandon television or implies it in anyway it is not in the linked interview (or portion of an interview) which is entirely consistent with just about every interview he's done since Dr Horrible.
In regards to how many dolls there are, it appears to me they're using that standard for naming them (you know, Alpha, Beta, Echo, Sierra, November - I can't remember what that alphabet is called). So it would appear that Echo is the fifth one. And Sierra is the new one. So that would make you think Echo has been there a while ... perhaps a ways into her five years.
I'm not sure about Angel, but Buffy tends to also be easily dated by whoever is playing at the Bronze. I've only started watching the show in the last year or so, and it's been weird seeing all these bands that I liked as a teenager show up.
I'd never heard of any of the bands that appear on Buffy. Before or since.
Though it's funny, talking to my Sister or my GF, they say the clothes date the show HUGELY. This always makes me laugh, since I can't tell at all.
Really? None of the bands? I'm assuming you're forgetting about a couple of the "bigger" ones (like Michelle Branch), but damn I recognized a ton when I went back and watched it. Though yeah, a lot were one-semi-hit-wonders.
And I'm a complete fashion idiot who can hardly dress himself, but I can still tell that a lot of the clothes just scream '90s. Though really the hair is more dated than the clothes.
Maybe it's cause I'm Canadian. We don't get all of your bands hits up here.
I recognized some of the bands that were played in the background, bu none of the bands playing at the Bronze were at all familiar.
If Whedon says he's going to abandon television or implies it in anyway it is not in the linked interview (or portion of an interview) which is entirely consistent with just about every interview he's done since Dr Horrible.
Yeah, that's just plain bad journalism on The Rolling Stone's part.
There's the interview. If he's actually made such a controversial decision as abandoning TV just after starting a new series, shouldn't they at least show us the quote to that effect?
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It's military jargon. Somehow I am thinking it's not a coincidence.
Like, it's secretly a military operation? Black ops? Black on black, to quote Bourne Supremacy?
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In regards to how many dolls there are, it appears to me they're using that standard for naming them (you know, Alpha, Beta, Echo, Sierra, November - I can't remember what that alphabet is called). So it would appear that Echo is the fifth one. And Sierra is the new one. So that would make you think Echo has been there a while ... perhaps a ways into her five years.
That would be the NATO Phonetic Radio codes.
I believe they transcribe "Alpha" as "Alfa" though, to be difficult.
Is anyone called Charlie? Keep a look out for someone called Charlie, Juliet, Oscar, and Mike. If that's true and it is going to be a plot point of interest then they'll probably slip those in without making a big deal about it. Possibly a woman named India.
Though Dolls "Golf", "Hotel", and "Quebec" kind of got a raw deal in the naming department if this is true.
In regards to how many dolls there are, it appears to me they're using that standard for naming them (you know, Alpha, Beta, Echo, Sierra, November - I can't remember what that alphabet is called). So it would appear that Echo is the fifth one. And Sierra is the new one. So that would make you think Echo has been there a while ... perhaps a ways into her five years.
That would be the NATO Phonetic Radio codes.
I believe they transcribe "Alpha" as "Alfa" though, to be difficult.
Is anyone called Charlie? Keep a look out for someone called Charlie, Juliet, Oscar, and Mike. If that's true and it is going to be a plot point of interest then they'll probably slip those in without making a big deal about it. Possibly a woman named India.
Though Dolls "Golf", "Hotel", and "Quebec" kind of got a raw deal in the naming department if this is true.
It's not like Papa got hooked up, either (pronounced Pah-PAH).
X-Ray would be either awesome or lame, I'm not sure.
In regards to how many dolls there are, it appears to me they're using that standard for naming them (you know, Alpha, Beta, Echo, Sierra, November - I can't remember what that alphabet is called). So it would appear that Echo is the fifth one. And Sierra is the new one. So that would make you think Echo has been there a while ... perhaps a ways into her five years.
That would be the NATO Phonetic Radio codes.
I believe they transcribe "Alpha" as "Alfa" though, to be difficult.
Is anyone called Charlie? Keep a look out for someone called Charlie, Juliet, Oscar, and Mike. If that's true and it is going to be a plot point of interest then they'll probably slip those in without making a big deal about it. Possibly a woman named India.
Though Dolls "Golf", "Hotel", and "Quebec" kind of got a raw deal in the naming department if this is true.
It's not like Papa got hooked up, either (pronounced Pah-PAH).
X-Ray would be either awesome or lame, I'm not sure.
Well, X-ray and Uniform would be yet to surface, but they'd be pretty oddball names to have. Papa would work ok if it was like, an oldguy doll.
I thought the begining of the episode was pretty bad. The introduction of Echo and the head of Dollhouse, just came off as poorly written and performed, and was really clunky exposition.
I also felt like we got too much of what's going to be the major story arc of Echo having flashbacks and Langdon having moral qualms about Dollhouse are coming too quickly too much. Given the premise of the story I know what the storyline is giong to be. I would prefer to see the characters doing their job well for a while before they start to question what they are doing.
I hate the introduction of the detective being intercut with the kick boxing scene. It was so familiar and painful to watch.
I'm interested to see where this goes, and I hope it gets the chance to completely play out the story of Echo regaining her memories.
The kickboxing was the argument equivalent of having a train enter a tunnel.
Okay I guess i'm fucked up. I had no intention of watching Dollhouse but I couldn't sleep so I gave it a shot and I was really happy with it.
I never really liked Buffy or Angel but I enjoyed Serenity and Dr. Horrible. So I don't think that really makes me a Whedon advocate but I feel that Dollhouse has been advertised rather inappropriately.
Okay I guess i'm fucked up. I had no intention of watching Dollhouse but I couldn't sleep so I gave it a shot and I was really happy with it.
I never really liked Buffy or Angel but I enjoyed Serenity and Dr. Horrible. So I don't think that really makes me a Whedon advocate but I feel that Dollhouse has been advertised rather inappropriately.
I think that's what I plan to do.
I was hoping it would put me to sleep but a bit into the show I ended up getting up and turning the volume up to sit through it for the long haul.
Okay I guess i'm fucked up. I had no intention of watching Dollhouse but I couldn't sleep so I gave it a shot and I was really happy with it.
I never really liked Buffy or Angel but I enjoyed Serenity and Dr. Horrible. So I don't think that really makes me a Whedon advocate but I feel that Dollhouse has been advertised rather inappropriately.
I think that's what I plan to do.
I was hoping it would put me to sleep but a bit into the show I ended up getting up and turning the volume up to sit through it for the long haul.
Just finished watching it. It was pretty interesting. It was kind of slow in the beginning. I don't see why all the critique I've been reading, but than again its the internet. I'll be following this show most definitely. You can't help but want to know what is going to happen next with this sort of story.
They should of have really pitched this show to the CW. It has a much better chance of lasting longer with a larger audience. I think people who watch Smallville and Supernatural would watch Dollhouse.
By the way, I think somebody mentioned earlier, laughingly, that Sierra came in with a Desert Eagle and fired it with one hand--I don't think that's actually a Deagle. Looks like a Beretta, which is a lot more plausible.
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By the way, I think somebody mentioned earlier, laughingly, that Sierra came in with a Desert Eagle and fired it with one hand--I don't think that's actually a Deagle. Looks like a Beretta, which is a lot more plausible.
Yeah, that was me. I said it looked like a Desert Eagle, but I wasn't 100% sure.
I just watched the scene again; she fires a shiny pistol with her right hand and then a full sized shotgun with the left. I don't know enough about guns to comment on the shotgun with expertise, but that sounds off, especially when held out like it was (not against the body at all to absorb recoil).
By the way, I think somebody mentioned earlier, laughingly, that Sierra came in with a Desert Eagle and fired it with one hand--I don't think that's actually a Deagle. Looks like a Beretta, which is a lot more plausible.
Yeah, that was me. I said it looked like a Desert Eagle, but I wasn't 100% sure.
I just watched the scene again; she fires a shiny pistol with her right hand and then a full sized shotgun with the left. I don't know enough about guns to comment on the shotgun with expertise, but that sounds off, especially when held out like it was (not against the body at all to absorb recoil).
Ah, I had forgotten about the shotgun. Yeah, that does strain credibility a little bit.
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By the way, I think somebody mentioned earlier, laughingly, that Sierra came in with a Desert Eagle and fired it with one hand--I don't think that's actually a Deagle. Looks like a Beretta, which is a lot more plausible.
Yeah, that was me. I said it looked like a Desert Eagle, but I wasn't 100% sure.
I just watched the scene again; she fires a shiny pistol with her right hand and then a full sized shotgun with the left. I don't know enough about guns to comment on the shotgun with expertise, but that sounds off, especially when held out like it was (not against the body at all to absorb recoil).
Ah, I had forgotten about the shotgun. Yeah, that does strain credibility a little bit.
Wait....
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THAT was what strained credibility for you? Did we watch the same show? :P
She has a Beretta 92 (ish) and a Remington 870... both of which are easy to shoot with one hand. The guy with Princess Leia hair who hid behind the wall has the Desert Eagle :0)
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As I understand things, Whedon made up all the slang, so it wouldn't sound dated (usually when writers write high school dialogue they use their high school slang, which is already 20-something years old. I watched season 1 of Buffy about a year ago and the slang was bad, but not too painful.
I guess at least it doesn't have real world baggage, but it was still corny. Especially "wigging".
I never really liked Buffy or Angel but I enjoyed Serenity and Dr. Horrible. So I don't think that really makes me a Whedon advocate but I feel that Dollhouse has been advertised rather inappropriately.
They had pagers. There's a Season 1 episodes where Buffy's going out on a date, and she tells Giles, "If the apocolypse comes .... beep me!"
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Because now all it is is shit just waiting to hit the fan, and it's gonna be, "Let's hide the big organization!"
Also, I really liked the first episode, but I do think we can agree that the "interview" at the beginning was just terrible. Just, bad bad dialog.
"But... that's just what she always told me."
HM! Subtle hint to begin guessing who "she" is?!
Whedon you sly dog!
And clearly the Dollhouse can't be public and overt because it'd be illegal/controversial to the extreme. Nor does it need to be as its clientele is obviously fairly limited to the richest people who "have everything" (a la Helo's speech). And the public knowledge of the existence of "Doll's" would actually hurt their effectiveness as impossibly well suited 'escorts' and specialists.
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And if I recall, it was also above ground. And there were certainly more than 5. Did you see the shower scene? And them wandering around. It looked like there were dozens in total, perhaps.
And if they ever were found out, that's a lot of technology. It's not like they could possibly think they could ever be a mobile operation. If they're found out, it's over.
Unless they can convince the cops that the chair is just for hair transplants or something.
Name of link sums up it's contents pretty well.
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If Whedon says he's going to abandon television or implies it in anyway it is not in the linked interview (or portion of an interview) which is entirely consistent with just about every interview he's done since Dr Horrible.
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Maybe it's cause I'm Canadian. We don't get all of your bands hits up here.
I recognized some of the bands that were played in the background, bu none of the bands playing at the Bronze were at all familiar.
Yeah, that's just plain bad journalism on The Rolling Stone's part.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/25951789/joss_whedon_goes_where_no_tv_man_has_gone_before
There's the interview. If he's actually made such a controversial decision as abandoning TV just after starting a new series, shouldn't they at least show us the quote to that effect?
Like, it's secretly a military operation? Black ops? Black on black, to quote Bourne Supremacy?
That would be the NATO Phonetic Radio codes.
I believe they transcribe "Alpha" as "Alfa" though, to be difficult.
Is anyone called Charlie? Keep a look out for someone called Charlie, Juliet, Oscar, and Mike. If that's true and it is going to be a plot point of interest then they'll probably slip those in without making a big deal about it. Possibly a woman named India.
Though Dolls "Golf", "Hotel", and "Quebec" kind of got a raw deal in the naming department if this is true.
It's not like Papa got hooked up, either (pronounced Pah-PAH).
X-Ray would be either awesome or lame, I'm not sure.
Well, X-ray and Uniform would be yet to surface, but they'd be pretty oddball names to have. Papa would work ok if it was like, an oldguy doll.
The kickboxing was the argument equivalent of having a train enter a tunnel.
I think that's what I plan to do.
I was hoping it would put me to sleep but a bit into the show I ended up getting up and turning the volume up to sit through it for the long haul.
Just finished watching it. It was pretty interesting. It was kind of slow in the beginning. I don't see why all the critique I've been reading, but than again its the internet. I'll be following this show most definitely. You can't help but want to know what is going to happen next with this sort of story.
They should of have really pitched this show to the CW. It has a much better chance of lasting longer with a larger audience. I think people who watch Smallville and Supernatural would watch Dollhouse.
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The reason Whedon didn't pitch it to the CW is that he had the idea over lunch with Eliza Dushku and she has a contract with FOX.
Might want to label the links NSFW. Even though the pics themselves are probably fine, at least one seemed to want to open a pop-up to a porn site.
EDIT: Cool pics, though.
I'm guessing you're talking about the top right picture.
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No, never mind me. I tried again just now, and couldn't replicate it.
I swear, though, that the first time I clicked through those pics one of them had a NSFW pop-up ad.
I didn't have any other windows/tabs open at the time.
*shrug*
Okay good. I thought I was going insane!
Yeah, that was me. I said it looked like a Desert Eagle, but I wasn't 100% sure.
I just watched the scene again; she fires a shiny pistol with her right hand and then a full sized shotgun with the left. I don't know enough about guns to comment on the shotgun with expertise, but that sounds off, especially when held out like it was (not against the body at all to absorb recoil).
The pure badass provides the extra mass required to absorb the shock. That's physics for you.
Ah, I had forgotten about the shotgun. Yeah, that does strain credibility a little bit.
Wait....
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THAT was what strained credibility for you? Did we watch the same show? :P
Or were you talking about some other plausibility issue?
No, I was just giving you crap.
I know what you mean.