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[WoW] Warriors: But if I use my mouse to turn, how do I click on Rend?

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    khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    From what I've seen its slightly lower, but actually competitive with fury, but both are way low in comparison to most other hybrid classes. This is just glancing at WWS logs from known guilds on the wow forums, EJs doesn't have theorycraft for Arms and the Fury is unfinished for 3.1.

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    BranuBranu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hopefully it stays competitive with fury, two handers are a goddamn myth on my raids.

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    MarsMars Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Mars wrote: »
    Why would you take Puncture in a leveling build? SA is pretty meh-tastic as far as leveling goes, and by the time you reach Devastate you already have Focused Rage. Only talent I can maybe see taking for leveling and not endgame is Imp SR, just because casters are a pain at low gear levels.

    Good news - Puncture and FR stack, and it's helpful while leveling to have cheap devastates to fish for SaB procs. You're not always swimming in rage while leveling as prot.

    I wouldn't really bother with avoidance talents while leveling either.

    I've been leveling as prot, and I've never found myself hurting for rage. FR is more than you need while leveling unless you plan on spamming HS, which is pretty pointless while soloing. The avoidance talents may not be all that hot while leveling, but they still amount to less downtime and more reliable Revenge procs, which I take over lowering the cost of an already cheap ability.

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    IrohIroh Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Mars wrote: »
    Mars wrote: »
    Why would you take Puncture in a leveling build? SA is pretty meh-tastic as far as leveling goes, and by the time you reach Devastate you already have Focused Rage. Only talent I can maybe see taking for leveling and not endgame is Imp SR, just because casters are a pain at low gear levels.

    Good news - Puncture and FR stack, and it's helpful while leveling to have cheap devastates to fish for SaB procs. You're not always swimming in rage while leveling as prot.

    I wouldn't really bother with avoidance talents while leveling either.

    I've been leveling as prot, and I've never found myself hurting for rage. FR is more than you need while leveling unless you plan on spamming HS, which is pretty pointless while soloing. The avoidance talents may not be all that hot while leveling, but they still amount to less downtime and more reliable Revenge procs, which I take over lowering the cost of an already cheap ability.
    That and devastate/sunder typically being the last thing you want to use. Practically every ability you have should be higher priority, and will benefit from FR as well.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Mars wrote: »
    Why would you take Puncture in a leveling build? SA is pretty meh-tastic as far as leveling goes, and by the time you reach Devastate you already have Focused Rage. Only talent I can maybe see taking for leveling and not endgame is Imp SR, just because casters are a pain at low gear levels.

    Good news - Puncture and FR stack, and it's helpful while leveling to have cheap devastates to fish for SaB procs. You're not always swimming in rage while leveling as prot.

    I wouldn't really bother with avoidance talents while leveling either.

    Imp SR is a group talent, and thus largely useless soloing.
    Mars wrote: »
    Why would you take Puncture in a leveling build? SA is pretty meh-tastic as far as leveling goes, and by the time you reach Devastate you already have Focused Rage. Only talent I can maybe see taking for leveling and not endgame is Imp SR, just because casters are a pain at low gear levels.

    9 rage Devastates are very nice for levelling, as you use it a lot more than you do when tanking.

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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Speaking of devastate spamming...

    Say in a fight like Saph, where you're the OT but no OT is necessary. What is the best strat for getting some decent DPS? DWing and Dev/Whirl/HS spamming or sticking with your 1H/S and Dev/Shield Slam/HS spamming?

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    DPS gear with a sword and board.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I like DPS gear with 2 1handers, devastate and HS spam with CB and SW thrown in when they're off cooldown.

    Though this is irrelevant in a few weeks anyway.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    assuming of course you go DPS as your dual spec
    which i think i won't.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    assuming of course you go DPS as your dual spec
    which i think i won't.

    "What to wear when I'm not tanking anything" is really only an issue if you're not tanking all of the time (i.e, not the main tank). If you're not tanking all the time, why would you use dual spec for two tank specs? Seems like a waste.

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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Fuck my life.

    Colossal Reaver drops for the second day in a row and I hit the fucking X on the roll window by mistake. Fucking Paladin wins with a 63. I could have beaten that.

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    SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Fuck my life.

    Colossal Reaver drops for the second day in a row and I hit the fucking X on the roll window by mistake. Fucking Paladin wins with a 63. I could have beaten that.

    For some reason neither google nor wowhead is giving me any results for this. What's the Colossal Reaver?

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    OatsOats Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Colossal Skull-Clad Reaver, I think.

    Drops off of Heroic Loken.

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    SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Ah, that got me close enough, thanks. It's actually a cleaver rather than a reaver.

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    OatsOats Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    When does levelling as prot become viable?

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    Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Oats wrote: »
    When does levelling as prot become viable?

    70 at the latest, though you have all the important prot talents at 60 so maybe around then?

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Once you get Sword and Board.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    assuming of course you go DPS as your dual spec
    which i think i won't.

    "What to wear when I'm not tanking anything" is really only an issue if you're not tanking all of the time (i.e, not the main tank). If you're not tanking all the time, why would you use dual spec for two tank specs? Seems like a waste.

    Utility spec. Alternate glyphs, utility talents.

    Either that, or PvProt.

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    The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If we're talking about alternative prot specs for the dual system, I wonder how viable a Bloodthirst Prot build could be. Go down to Bloodthirst, then the rest all in Prot, so you (hopefully) create the ultimate solo build for old world heroics/raids or just any general elite. The idea being getting the healing power from Bloodthirst with the crazy survivability of Prot and tank gear. I've come close to soloing a few BC heroics, but I fail because I just run out of self healing. Maybe Bloodthirst could balance the scales, or even tip them all the way back.

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    DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Bloodthirst/Prot is indeed pretty great for soloing old raid/group content and grinding. Basically useless as soon as you're playing with someone else, though.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Well, for soloing you're at a massive advantage as prot...in my tank gear, I've solo'd every Northrend elite with only one exception (the final boss of the Riders of Frost, Unholy, and Blood quest chain in icecrown).

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    DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I managed to solo the Frost one as prot, but had to bring along help for the other ones. BT/Prot brings a certain longevity lacking in a pure prot build, though, which helps take down stuff that has a ton of health and brings magic damage to the table.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I got all 3, but it was done in my full BiS tank gear, and only barely. The quest after it, Bloodbane, I think his name is, I was completely fucked over by.

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    SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Bloodthirst/prot + BT glyph really is powerful for soloing content. All of my gear except for my T7 chest is from heroics or worse (though I got that from badges, so technically all of it is) and the three riders were almost trivial.

    I tried the last guy just now and the first two times I only knocked ~80k off his health before I had to run away, but with the Fate Runes from the bone lady and a food buff I got him down to 142k/422k. I would've had him if it weren't for the shadow buff he puts on his sword which does shadow damage ever time it hits you.

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    DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I got all 3, but it was done in my full BiS tank gear, and only barely. The quest after it, Bloodbane, I think his name is, I was completely fucked over by.

    Yeah, I was doing those quests maybe a few days after hitting 80. Ended up snagging a ret paladin friend and duoing the shit out of every group quest in the zone, though.

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    HamurabiHamurabi MiamiRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Either that, or PvProt.

    lol @ PvProt warriors and paladins.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Either that, or PvProt.

    lol @ PvProt warriors and paladins.

    What a well thought out and argued perspective.

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    MarsMars Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Oats wrote: »
    When does levelling as prot become viable?

    70 at the latest, though you have all the important prot talents at 60 so maybe around then?

    10.

    No, seriously. I did it. It's somewhat slower than fury/arms, obviously, but not by that much as long as you pick up the Revenge glyph as soon as possible, and you'll just tear through quests. There's almost no downtime, no enemies that you can't solo, and dungeons are of course no problem. I never once found myself thinking about switching specs.

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    The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I almost wish I could restart and level up again, just to see how all the changes warriors have gotten over the years have helped. I still remember just how much of a fucking pain in the ass it was. Doubly so whenever I would roll an alt and marvel at how easy every other class had things.

    -The need to carry an entire bag full of food and bandages, because you will be downing them like a crack addict.
    -Any monster 3 or more levels above you would kick your ass because you'll now have a 90% miss rate on everything.
    -On a related note, any group of 3 or more monsters would also destroy you. Escort quests became hell because the M.O would be to spawn 3+ on you. Usually twice, so forget using your 30m ability to save you.

    God things are so much better now. I went Prot back when the WOTLK talents first hit and never looked back. Grabbing a group of 5 or more monsters, taking them down in about 1 minute, and doing so with over 80% health... you can't buy that level of happiness.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I levelled my warrior without First Aid. He still doesn't have it to this day.

    To be fair however, he only went from 1-20 early in 07...I didn't touch him again until around 3rd quarter 08 when i started the trek to 70 on him.

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    TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't have downtime in my fury gear thanks to Glyph of Bloodthirst!

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    JesuitsJesuits Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Been a very long time since I leveled my warrior up to 60... back almost before blackwing lair. Definitely before AQ. When leveling, I always kept a bag of tricks on me, things like invisibility potions, food, bandages, blacksmith keys, maybe a couple of those nets you used to be able to farm off the defias... God, it's been awhile. These young whippersnappers don't know what leveling is like.

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    OatsOats Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I had a warrior way back, until I got to level 20 and promptly rolled a hunter.

    Levelling now is glorious. Ret is on a 5 minute cooldown. Rend does appreciable damage.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Retaliation?

    the only thing Retaliation being a 5 min cooldown does for me is that I can not-use it more often.

    Its really a terrible skill. Though I suppose it has its uses pre-zerker stance.

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    JesuitsJesuits Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Retaliation?

    the only thing Retaliation being a 5 min cooldown does for me is that I can not-use it more often.

    Its really a terrible skill. Though I suppose it has its uses pre-zerker stance.

    What's it like now, again? Back in the day, it was the oh-shit button.

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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    When I leveled my warrior in September, I leveled prot from like 10-~35. There are no instant attacks available to warriors except for Revenge, so Prot made the most sense. When I got whirlwind in the mid 30s, I switched to Fury, then I hit 40, got my Axe and went to Arms. I leveled Arms (got the epic ZF sword in the process) until 58-59ish which is when 3.0 hit and went Prot from that point forward.

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    khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Jesuits wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Retaliation?

    the only thing Retaliation being a 5 min cooldown does for me is that I can not-use it more often.

    Its really a terrible skill. Though I suppose it has its uses pre-zerker stance.

    What's it like now, again? Back in the day, it was the oh-shit button.

    It's the same as before except the duration is shorter and they either added a limit to the number of attacks or the limit is lower I forget which. Regardless it's decent if you have multiple mobs attacking you for solo pve.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    It has a limit to the number of attacks that can proc it.

    its decent fighting a bunch of mobs, but if you're up against a bunch of mobs, you'll want to be in Berserker stance for Whirlwind, and you won't be able to use Retaliation anyway.

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    ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If you're leveling as arms, I'm not sure why you'd stay in zerker stance considering half the tree at that point is based around buffing Overpower, which isn't usable in berserker stance. On my warrior I don't think I ever entered zerker stance except to set up the bar and use the rage once in a while.

    edit: You can still stance dance to have retaliation up while in berserker stance for WW.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I just dislike Arms because the rage generation at low levels when you have so little +hit is so streaky. Sometimes you get a ton of rage and can flatten an opponent, other times you get fuck-all and autoattack them to death.

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