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If the draft ever got reinstated, should women be included?
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And guess who actually said it.... His name begins with an "E", with "ge" following it.
I had an arguement with someone once who was in favor of equal rights/equality for women but still wanted men to hold the door open for women and women not to be eligible in the case of a draft. Seems to me anyone who holds that opinion is a misogynist and a fraud who claims to have jumped on the popular equal rights bandwagon just to be cool.
However in a professional environment all things should be as equal as possible
Those words are substantially stronger than the context you provided justifies.
Well clearly you're a misogynist who is furthering the repression of women and attempting to cement their status as the Weaker Sex.
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Aye, you think someone's a secret misogynist because they retain a couple of traces of 'Ladies first' manners while being broadly for equal rights? Buh?
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If men and women are equal in a professional sense, why should the man pay these days?
Furthermore, when a man organizes everything for a date, pays for everything, does all the driving, etc. etc. it makes the girl feel indebted to the man, that she owes him something. This is how people are socialized, if someone does you a favor, you feel like you owe them one back, for the most part, especially if you like that person. However, since the man is always supposed to pay, drive, etc. in your system, what recourse does the girl have for returning the favor? Putting out, alternatively, if she doesn't put out, then she's a bitch after all you did for her. (Not saying you would think that, but it's a popular conception).
Your man pays for everything, holds the door open for women etc. is a deeply flawed system that is dis-empowering and exploitative of women.
mmm, your probably right. It was a conversation in person so I guess maybe it's more the person I was remember talking to is a huge misogynist and fraud.
There are degree's to these things, people can be misogynist without being total assholes...like my grandparents.
When you do hold the door for someone though, they should put their hand out to keep it open so you can go on. I fucking hate it when streams of people just try to walk through and leave you standing like a tit, that's when I close it on their face.
I agree on this count, I hold the door open for everyone. I do it out of courtesy, because they are a human being, not because they are a woman though.
When people talk about holding doors open for women though, on say dates, it's a much more... hm, what's the word I'm looking for...formalized affair? It has more meaning behind it then me just holding a door open because someone was walking behind me when I happened upon a door we both wanted to go through.
Were talking about people who intentionally go out of their way to make sure as few women as possible ever touch door handles in their presence. People aren't going to just let it close on someones face, man or woman.
Is this a joke post cause this is pretty ridiculous.
I believe the person who asks for the first date should be the one who pays. You are inviting someone for an activity, you should prepare all the arrangements for it. That's just general politeness. You don't invite people over for a dinner party and expect them to cook or to pay for half the groceries.
It's still more likely that men will initiate the relationship and so end up paying for the first date, but really that's changing very quickly now.
Nah, it wasn't a joke post, nor was it limited to talking about just the first date. And there's a pretty big difference between a dinner party and going to a restaurant. :P
That's fine, but when you're talking every dang date, then yes, Obligation Issues can arise. Its easily avoided by taking turns or going dutch, and seriously what is the problem do men not like it when people they want to fuck do nice things to them that don't involve sex and hold the door for whoever is behind you and oh how I hate that these threads always, always devolve back to an endless stoush about dating etiquette among western twentysomethings
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Are...are you serious dude?
I agree.
Yeah, I thought the ":|" cocked-eyebrow emote would have sealed it, but I forgot that this is D&D where occasionally people actually say and believe that shit straight-faced so yes I am joking. :P
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Forcing an unjust policy upon all people equally does not make it just.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I remember my first date with my now-wife. I unlocked the passenger-side car door and opened it for her. As I'm walking around to the driver's side, she reaches across, pops the lock, and pulls the handle from the inside just as I'm arriving.
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You're Robert De Niro's son from A Bronx Tale?
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Oh god, you actually did the whole "set a trap to secretly test your date" thing from that movie?
Either that or she'd seen the movie. :P
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No, I didn't have keyless entry on my car.
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Which makes setting the trap even more work.
Except that I didn't do it on purpose, it just worked out that way.
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And If a draft started up, I would laugh so much at all the crazy Obama supporters who's kids get to go and die.
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