[Ultimate Comics] Divided We Fall

Magna Inferno

Divided We Fall is here!


Ultimate Comics Spider-Man
Writer: BRIAN BENDIS
Artist: DAVID MARQUEZ/SARA PICHELLI(Former:Chris Samnee)


Ultimate Comics Ultimates
Writer: SAM HUMPHRIES(Former:Johnathon Hickman)
Artist: BILLY TAN/LUKE ROSS(Former:Esad Ribic, Brandon Peterson)


Ultimate Comics X-Men
Writer: BRIAN WOOD(Former:Nick Spencer)
Artist: PACO MEDINA/CARLO BARBERI

And there have been some minis!


Ultimate Comics Iron Man
Writer: NATHAN EDMONDSON
Artist: MATTEO BUFFAGINI


Spider-Men
Writer: BRIAN BENDIS
Artist: SARA PICHELLI


Ultimate Comics Hawkeye
Writer: JONATHAN HICKMAN
Artist: RAFA SANDOVAL

Bloods End

Ultimate Avengers was off to a pretty terrible start.

Me Too!

Are you high

We got Cap riding a motorcycle out of a building, "parachutes are for girls", and the Red Skull revelation

wirehead26

I'm with Me Too!, I loved the first UCA issue. Now if you don't like Mark Millar's writing style then you won't like UCA of course.

Servo

mark millar is the most hit-and-miss writer in comics for me. when he hits, i really like it (red son, the second volume of the original ultimates), but when he misses (wanted), it's some of my all-time least favorite entertainment ever in any medium. i guess what i'm saying is he's earned an "always trade-wait" from me.

HadjiQuest

I liked a lot of the action, dialog, and plot in the very first Ultimates volume, which was the only one I ever read.

I hated the pop-culture references that were already outdated by the time it made it to trade. Especially Hulk chasing Freddie Prince Jr. through New York.

I've decided to give UCA a try just because I'm craving some Cap action, and I left my Brubaker Omnibus back at home.

TexiKen

Servo wrote: »

mark millar is the most hit-and-miss writer in comics for me. when he hits, i really like it (red son, the second volume of the original ultimates), but when he misses (wanted), it's some of my all-time least favorite entertainment ever in any medium. i guess what i'm saying is he's earned an "always trade-wait" from me.

Or he pulls bullshit like comparing modern America to nazi Germany in his WWII Wolverine issue, or he goes with Whedon's idea for the Civil War ending with the 9/11 heroes taking down Cap in what he thinks is a poignant moment but just roll eyes worthy. And he just won't shut up sometimes and let his work speak for itself.

Robos A Go Go

That was Whedon's idea?

KidDork

I hated Millar's run on Fantastic Four, but enjoyed his These Heroes Are Assholes take in UA. The scene where

Cap just throws unconscious enemies out of a helicopter just because

summed up the feel of this team. I'm not optimistic with this book being on time in any shape or form, but I'll enjoy it when it arrives.

I've given up on Warren Ellis, so Armor Wars is meh to me. Maybe when it trades, if enough of you like it.

This is the first time I've gone monthly with Ultimate Spider-Man, and it's now one of my most looked for books. Even with the Sephiroth bangs Pete is rocking now.

TexiKen

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

That was Whedon's idea?

That's what Quesada and Brevoort said when they did their big retreat for planning Civil War (Millar has confirmed this too), Whedon showed up and gave them the idea because they had no way to end the event. Millar's idea of an angry Hulk coming back with hulk babies would have been better.

Balefuego

wait are you talking about the Wolverine in a concentration camp issue Texi? Cause I didn't get that from it at all.

As for Millar in general I agree with Servo, although he hits far more often than he misses with.

And 1985 is a perfect comic in every way.

Robos A Go Go

I'm guessing that Whedon didn't suggest that a fireman, police man, and a paramedic tackle him at once. Really, if it'd just been a few police men and no one else, it would have worked a lot better.

TexiKen

Balefuego wrote: »

wait are you talking about the Wolverine in a concentration camp issue Texi? Cause I didn't get that from it at all.

There was a letter nazi guy wrote at the end of the story that was pretty much what President Bush said about attacking terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Balefuego

Huh, funny I dont remember that at all. I just remember it being a pretty effective ghost story.

Sentry

Yeah, I never made the connection with that. Frankly I thought it was one of the best Wolverine stories ever.

TexiKen

I'm trying to find a scan of it somewhere but it was noticed in reviews like at comics bulletin:

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/112774830360644.htm

Millar does that shit all the time in his books, when he can't leave well enough alone.

Kris_xK

Can someone fill me on how the fuck Magneto ended up with Thor's hammer in Ultimatum? Its still bugging me.

Also, looks like the Ultimates might need to do some membership drives. Its pretty much just Hawkeye and Cap right now.

KidDork

I really hope Spider-Man doesn't join the team.

Thane

Kris_xK wrote: »

Can someone fill me on how the fuck Magneto ended up with Thor's hammer in Ultimatum? Its still bugging me.

According to Loeb he ninja'ed it at from Thor at the end of Ultimates 3

Me Too!

KidDork wrote: »

I really hope Spider-Man doesn't join the team.

I'm going to let you think about this sentence and the fact that Peter is a minor and thus can't join a government sponsored anything for a few more years

Toxic Toys

You know what - I pray Red Skull was lying.

But so far so good for me.

Robos A Go Go

I doubt Millar would copout like that.

KidDork

Me Too! wrote: »

KidDork wrote: »

I really hope Spider-Man doesn't join the team.

I'm going to let you think about this sentence and the fact that Peter is a minor and thus can't join a government sponsored anything for a few more years

Good point, but I wasn't thinking the legal issue. I was just thinking that Marvel might think it's a cool idea to tie-in their most beloved Ultimate character with their (currently only existing)super-team, thus getting those who only read UCSM to pick up Avengers as well.

But naah. They'd never do that.

wirehead26

Since Peter shows up in the big UCA issue 1 Pacheco splash cover, and the fact that Millar has stated it's the "event" comic for the UC universe, he should be turning up in the book sooner or later. I'm actually curious about this since, to the best of my knowledge, Millar has never written a single line of dialouge for the Ultimate version of Spider-man.

TexiKen

Johnny Storm is only a year older than Peter, and he's with the FF who are/were a part of SHIELD.

And I think Millar wrote that Avengers will have a rotating team as the stories deem it, kind of like the JLA under Morrison.

Asharad

Yeah, Ultimate Avengers is more of a rotating theme. An upcoming arc has Blade and Ghost Rider, for example.

I really enjoyed UA#1, I thought it was a lot of fun.

wirehead26

I wonder if another Ultimate Marvel team-up book would work? It doesn't have to be written by Bendis, it could have a rotating writer and artist team. I'd like it to be an ongoing series but all the issues be practically self contained one-shots, or maybe 2 or 3 issue stories.

HadjiQuest

Have there ever been any jabs at characters by having their Ultimate counterparts just be normal people, off standing in the background?

Like, perhaps Ultimate Sentry could be a mall cop.

wirehead26

I think Ultimate Jessica Jones is a normal person, and not at all like her 616 counterpart in terms of personality.

Ultimate Bob Reynolds being a mall cop is a fantastic idea though.

Faynor

That's a terrible idea, and it in no way reflects the beautiful splendor of The Sentry!

Wildcat

Marry me, Faynor.

Ninjabear

Did they ever do anything with Ultimate Rick Jones after Ultimate Origins #5?

TexiKen

Nope.

Faynor

Wildcat wrote: »

Marry me, Faynor.

:winky:

Golden Yak

HadjiQuest wrote: »

Have there ever been any jabs at characters by having their Ultimate counterparts just be normal people, off standing in the background?

Like, perhaps Ultimate Sentry could be a mall cop.

In Ultimate Spidey, there will frequently be scenes in a police station with cops having cuffed some costumed people who are dressed as 616 characters and usually raving. Speedball, Cloak, and Dagger spring to mind. I think there was even someone who was meant to be a Green Lantern at one point.

The most memorable is an overweight black woman dressed as 616 Scarlet Witch screaming 'I'm not crazy! I'm not crazy!'

Though I don't know if that would count as 'normal' people.

Kris_xK

Golden Yak wrote: »

HadjiQuest wrote: »

Have there ever been any jabs at characters by having their Ultimate counterparts just be normal people, off standing in the background?

Like, perhaps Ultimate Sentry could be a mall cop.

In Ultimate Spidey, there will frequently be scenes in a police station with cops having cuffed some costumed people who are dressed as 616 characters and usually raving. Speedball, Cloak, and Dagger spring to mind. I think there was even someone who was meant to be a Green Lantern at one point.

The most memorable is an overweight black woman dressed as 616 Scarlet Witch screaming 'I'm not crazy! I'm not crazy!'

Though I don't know if that would count as 'normal' people.

Yeah, Spidey usually has a bunch. I think in Ult 131 (just prior to ultimatum) he goes in to the police station and theres a Spiderwoman in there getting arrested.

The only other one that sticks out in my mind is in an Ultimate Xmen where the US government talks about mutants and Bishop gets named dropped - only in this universe, hes a criminal.

Robos A Go Go

Bishop did appear later in the series, though.

Kris_xK

Yeah you're right, I just struck that entire fucking arc from my mind.

Wildcat

Ultimate Deadpool?

Magna Inferno

So it's been a while since i read the two Ultimate Iron Man's, but there was no previous mention of Tony's brother before UC 2 was there?

wirehead26

I think both of Orson Scott Cards Ultimate Iron Man stories will be ignored by Millar.