Can you see what I'm saying? Hopefully it's not drowned out by Lord Holkins and the inevitable mob of disciples screaming out some close relative of Godwin's Law in a collective voice as shrill and obnoxious as the one they're trying to combat.
Cultural deconstruction, my pasty white arse-cheeks.
Rot Lop Fan is one of several unorthodox members of the Green Lantern Corps created by Alan Moore in Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual #3 (1987). After his introduction, he later occasionally appears in Green Lantern Corps group scenes.
In the Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual #3 story "In the Blackest Night", Katma Tui is sent by the Guardians of the Universe to a lightless region of space known as the Obsidian Deeps, in order to recruit a new Green Lantern to protect that region of space. Despite the absolute darkness of the Deeps, Katma's power ring led her unerringly to a completely fearless and honest resident of the Deeps: Rot Lop Fan. However, as Rot Lop Fan's species had evolved in darkness, they had no concept of light and color, and thus Katma Tui was unable to explain how the power ring worked (it projects solid rays of light manifested by the bearer's will power).
Realizing that his species operates by hearing, Katma reshapes the power ring from a lantern into a bell, and describes the Green Lantern Corps as the "F-Sharp Bell Corps"- "F-Sharp" being a reassuring note for Rot Lop Fan's race in the same manner that green is a reassuring color, and the ring's powers in terms of sound instead of light. She also composes a new oath for him to recite.
In loudest din or hush profound
my ears hear evil's slightest sound
let those who toll out evil's knell
beware my power, the F-Sharp Bell!
The "they're not real" argument is pointless. If there were a live action film about Dora the Explorer played by an Indian girl, I think people would be a lot more pissed off. She's not real, but she is famously Hispanic.
Do I care? Not at all, but I do see why both sides of the argument are legitimate.
I mean, if you were trying to bring the Edda to life, I think that an argument could be made to make the cast completely, ethnically European, just from an anthropological standpoint. I mean, these are the made up gods of a group of people who would, in all likelihood, never have seen a black person or even knew that they existed. It's not crazy to think that their pantheon would be misrepresented by having a black character in what would, historically, not have been in the minds of the oral storytellers and writers of Norse mythology.
This, however, is not about Norse mythology. It is about aliens who use Norse mythology as a front for their interactions with earth.
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Like, I would say the same thing about a movie featuring the stories of Egyptian mythology brought to life. If there were lots of white dudes running around, that would be pretty weird, and, I think, commented on.
Like, I would say the same thing about a movie featuring the stories of Egyptian mythology brought to life. If there were lots of white dudes running around, that would be pretty weird, and, I think, commented on.
Well, as they mention in the episode, replacing minority roles with white actors is usually offensive for a different reason than replacing a white role with a minority actor.
I don't think anyone really knows if they are aliens from another dimension or just straight up gods in the comics. Some characters like to say that they are just highly advanced aliens. Even their architecture and technology from early comics would lead you to believe that is the case.
Then you have the Demiurge who is made up of all the life on Earth. Who gave birth to the Elder Gods. Like Gaea, Set and Chthon. But again you the New Gods like Odin who are said to be extra dimensional beings. not like the Elder Gods who are from Earth.
Thor is the Son of Odin and Gaea the Elder God in the comics. Gaea is supposedly the mother of all of Earth's Pantheons. The last Chaos War pretty much proves that. So are they really just Aliens from another dimension?
Who the fuck really knows? It's just confusing as hell. Like most comic book continuity.
Warren Ellis had a short story arc in Thor in the early 90s and he straight up made the Norse Gods into aliens. I don't believe that is canon, though.
But what about that incident with "the princess and the frog" movie?
Many black people were complaining that the prince was too white, so they made him a black prince... Yet for some reason people had nothing against that.
Look, the Norse gods were all designed by the Nordic europeans. They had never seen a black man before in their life, so it would make sence that none of their gods were designed as such.
I personally don't care what skincolor he has, but it just doesn't make any sence for him to do so. Heck, what do you think would happen if we made an African god a white? Black people would not only oppose it out of racism themselves, but actually say that portraiting an african god as a white man is a racist act!
I say that if you make one of the norse gods black, you should also make a movie about africa and add a white person as a god of the black people there!
See what I did there? ^_^
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Did you miss the fact that the Marvel Norse Gods are not the actual Norse Gods? They weren't created by Scandinavians, they're super-advanced aliens or something.
I bet the Japanese guy playing Hogun is feeling left out. Although Hogun's race has been kinda ambiguous. Even though he was supposedly based physically on Bronson.
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My opinion on this matter is pretty much "Why should anybody give a shit?", but it may not be the best opinion out there, since I took no issue with The Last Airbender's casting decisions either.
Thor: You know the difference between me and you? I bleed red and you bleed green. I look at you these days, Heimdall, you know what I see? I see a god without a country. Not hard enough for Asgard right here and maybe, just maybe, not smart enough for Midgard out there.
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Fucking Lord of the Rings Movies, casting a white guy in the role of Gandalf the Grey. They didn't even TRY to make his skin grey!
Don't even get me started about Green Lantern...
I strongly support the idea of having a chinese guy play a norse god who speaks in Shakespearean english.
Can you see what I'm saying? Hopefully it's not drowned out by Lord Holkins and the inevitable mob of disciples screaming out some close relative of Godwin's Law in a collective voice as shrill and obnoxious as the one they're trying to combat.
Cultural deconstruction, my pasty white arse-cheeks.
There was a blind one!
Who gives a shit what skin color they have in anything
According to Wiki thor is red haired and red bearded.
Which is to say that anyone looking for faithfulness to Norse myth in the movie adaptaion of a comic book super hero is a silly goose.
They could be portrayed on film as sentient ham sandwiches and it would still be "accurate".
Do I care? Not at all, but I do see why both sides of the argument are legitimate.
This, however, is not about Norse mythology. It is about aliens who use Norse mythology as a front for their interactions with earth.
yeah stick it to those fuckin' nazis
Well, as they mention in the episode, replacing minority roles with white actors is usually offensive for a different reason than replacing a white role with a minority actor.
Then you have the Demiurge who is made up of all the life on Earth. Who gave birth to the Elder Gods. Like Gaea, Set and Chthon. But again you the New Gods like Odin who are said to be extra dimensional beings. not like the Elder Gods who are from Earth.
Thor is the Son of Odin and Gaea the Elder God in the comics. Gaea is supposedly the mother of all of Earth's Pantheons. The last Chaos War pretty much proves that. So are they really just Aliens from another dimension?
Who the fuck really knows? It's just confusing as hell. Like most comic book continuity.
Warren Ellis had a short story arc in Thor in the early 90s and he straight up made the Norse Gods into aliens. I don't believe that is canon, though.
Many black people were complaining that the prince was too white, so they made him a black prince... Yet for some reason people had nothing against that.
Look, the Norse gods were all designed by the Nordic europeans. They had never seen a black man before in their life, so it would make sence that none of their gods were designed as such.
I personally don't care what skincolor he has, but it just doesn't make any sence for him to do so. Heck, what do you think would happen if we made an African god a white? Black people would not only oppose it out of racism themselves, but actually say that portraiting an african god as a white man is a racist act!
I say that if you make one of the norse gods black, you should also make a movie about africa and add a white person as a god of the black people there!
See what I did there? ^_^
I wouldn't mind Idris Elba playing Captain America. Anything that gets the guy work is okay in my book.
That still doesn't change the point I made.
I would, but not because he's black, but because I have a problem with anyone other than Mark Valley playing Captain America.
Fuck you Chris Evans.
Adjusted slightly up or down depending on source material.
Slightly more whitey in Thor, slightly more asian in Last Air Bender.
You have to stay true to the material after all.
nope, government mandated race quotas all around
Nor do the Norse gods...
He wouldn't have been believable playing a guy in his early to mid 20s.
american company, american movie, american quota
who cares what the source material is, are you some kind of academic
pffbt
Fine
now on to the tricky question
what do you do with the blue people in Avatar?
you kill them, obviously, isn't that why they are in the movie
So all the Aesir and Vanir are dead heroes then?
Or do you not know what you're talking about?
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Not even just heroes but just dead and lucky enough to be brought to Valhalla in Asgard
That's a pretty cool thing to do.
My opinion on this matter is pretty much "Why should anybody give a shit?", but it may not be the best opinion out there, since I took no issue with The Last Airbender's casting decisions either.
"when is a white man going to get a starring role in films?!"