sooo did anyone else think arrival sorta "broke" the me story so far?
ignoring the minor plot holes for a second .. if the reapers can simply FTL into the milky way, what was the point of me1 and me2. Furthermore, from me3 previews we know that the reapers have husked several other races. It's not a stretch to assume that there are loads of reaper relics about indoctrinating people. The collectors are basically irrelevant as the reapers can apparently easily create new foot soldiers.
why is this all so poorly constructed/explained?!
The galaxy is big: FTL drives are only used for getting around systems; relays are for zipping around the galaxy. ME1 was to prevent the reapers from accessing the citadel, where they could have knocked out a lot of government and military forces, and then carved up the rest of the galaxy at their leisure. The collectors were producing a new reaper, not husks. Even the geth can make husks. Why the reapers have the collectors make reapers, how they made reapers before turning protheans into the collectors, or if they can make reapers themselves, I don't think has been made clear.
you .. don't seem to have read what I wrote.
The reapers can still take out the citadel, as they've simply FTL'ed to the milkyway over the course of 2 years instead of being reverse-mass-relay'ed there by the citadel. Your efforts in me1 were for naught.
The reaper in me2 makes even less sense now. Imo it was originally being built to go retake the citadel, but the reaper fleet was imminently arriving anyway. I ask myself what was the point of all of this.
My husk statement refers to the fact that the reapers need some sort of foot solder/manual labour to load organics into goo pods. The collectors are dead but who cares, they have relics all over the place and can simply churn out husks.
I suppose me1 isn't broken as much by arrival as me2 is.
I can appreciate the delaying tactics but as I've said, considering the reapers were going to arrive earlier that the collector's could build the replacement sov., what was the point of that exercise. And still, there's nothing stopping them from FTLing from the atlas system to the citadel. The council still doesn't believe shepard about the reapers, it's not like they're going to react in a timely manner to a huge reaper ball.
Probably has something to do with their mysterious and unknown motives. We know they harvest stuff. For what reason? Maybe we'll never know. But what we do know is that their Plan A is more efficient and effective at doing so, giving them more slave races, more intact worlds to plunder.
Conflagrating the entire galaxy in an unwinnable resistance war probably ruins their lunch. I dunno. When you're outside of time, outside of space you have no need to rush. The inevitable can wait. Clearly they have decided enough is enough, hence why they attack Earth first, seeing as it was humans that destroyed Sovereign, humans who stopped the Collectors, and humans who are uniting the races under their banner.
I think we have to give the series some slack on the whole Reapers thing. When Sovereign was destroyed, they were less threatened than they were intrigued by Shepard and yoomanity, hence the
human-reaper larva. They're pulling a Borg and attempting to add our uniqueness- because for no real reason at all, we're special- to their own. So when Shep comes back from the dead and ruins that shit, only at that point do they feel it's necessary to invade in earnest.
I still don't get the impression that they're threatened by Shepard. But he's totally ruined their plans, and they're fed up toying with him.
If they were perfectly rational, they probably would have initiated a harvest as soon as Sovereign bit it, to minimize the risk. But up to the end of ME2, they were pursuing secondary goals, which would be creating new reapers and fucking with us.
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What's a word to describe fan art that is less talimaniac's wet dream and more of a Michael Bay hard on with explosions, gunfire, and a lot of dirty faces caught in mid yell?
through what was found in ME2, then that might be the cause of these cullings....but they aren't wraith and they aren't Daleks.....needs more information....can Batman interrogate a reaper.
sooo did anyone else think arrival sorta "broke" the me story so far?
ignoring the minor plot holes for a second .. if the reapers can simply FTL into the milky way, what was the point of me1 and me2. Furthermore, from me3 previews we know that the reapers have husked several other races. It's not a stretch to assume that there are loads of reaper relics about indoctrinating people. The collectors are basically irrelevant as the reapers can apparently easily create new foot soldiers.
why is this all so poorly constructed/explained?!
The galaxy is big: FTL drives are only used for getting around systems; relays are for zipping around the galaxy. ME1 was to prevent the reapers from accessing the citadel, where they could have knocked out a lot of government and military forces, and then carved up the rest of the galaxy at their leisure. The collectors were producing a new reaper, not husks. Even the geth can make husks. Why the reapers have the collectors make reapers, how they made reapers before turning protheans into the collectors, or if they can make reapers themselves, I don't think has been made clear.
you .. don't seem to have read what I wrote.
The reapers can still take out the citadel, as they've simply FTL'ed to the milkyway over the course of 2 years instead of being reverse-mass-relay'ed there by the citadel. Your efforts in me1 were for naught.
The reaper in me2 makes even less sense now. Imo it was originally being built to go retake the citadel, but the reaper fleet was imminently arriving anyway. I ask myself what was the point of all of this.
My husk statement refers to the fact that the reapers need some sort of foot solder/manual labour to load organics into goo pods. The collectors are dead but who cares, they have relics all over the place and can simply churn out husks.
I suppose me1 isn't broken as much by arrival as me2 is.
I can appreciate the delaying tactics but as I've said, considering the reapers were going to arrive earlier that the collector's could build the replacement sov., what was the point of that exercise. And still, there's nothing stopping them from FTLing from the atlas system to the citadel. The council still doesn't believe shepard about the reapers, it's not like they're going to react in a timely manner to a huge reaper ball.
Probably has something to do with their mysterious and unknown motives. We know they harvest stuff. For what reason? Maybe we'll never know. But what we do know is that their Plan A is more efficient and effective at doing so, giving them more slave races, more intact worlds to plunder.
Conflagrating the entire galaxy in an unwinnable resistance war probably ruins their lunch. I dunno. When you're outside of time, outside of space you have no need to rush. The inevitable can wait. Clearly they have decided enough is enough, hence why they attack Earth first, seeing as it was humans that destroyed Sovereign, humans who stopped the Collectors, and humans who are uniting the races under their banner.
I don't think earth is going to be "first", I'm assuming they'll spread their numbers out and hit everyone. I can't remember if it was vergil but someone states that the reapers are billions of years old, if they harvest every 50000 years then they number in the 10000s, no fleet is going to be able to stand up to that noise.
The Citadel portal is their most efficient way of doing things. Pop in with absolutely no warning, immediately take out the central government, control the hub of the relay network, cripple communications, and gain information about every inhabited world.
The Collectors were originally just there to research genetic anomalies and judge species' potential, and were never any kind of military force. After Sovereign's failure, they began pre-emptively gathering humans to build another reaper. This reaper could potentially be a second vanguard. However, the reapers operated two back-up plans at once. They started FTLing into the edge of the galaxy right after Sovereign's failure, and just got to the Viper nebula after 2-3 years. The Alpha Relay could zip them across the galaxy, but it's not nearly as effective as the Citadel Portal.
Even with that relay destroyed, the reapers can still FTL to other relays. This is slow as shit, and now the Collectors can't even operate the other backup plan while they move. If the Council wasn't dumb, this would give us a lot of time to prepare. But they are, so we're fucked.
-Tal summarizes most of what I was going to say, but I'd add...
That the Reapers have probably been FTL'ing for at least a few hundred years as of ME1 - probably thousands. Vigil strongly implies that the invasion should have already happened, but the Prothean research team disabled the signal. I think the email you get from that Salarian implies the same.
So presumably, they've been hauling ass through dark space for a long time now - hence the showing up around the same time they clearly had activated "plan B" with the Collectors, which I'd say was a result of them realizing that there was a decent chance the Citadel might be able to be used to shutdown Mass Relays within the galaxy (ME1 notes this is what it does) and thus severely mess with the Reaper invasion plan.
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Well, that's a bummer. Starting a Female Shepard from scratch means that Wrex is dead. Are there still a bunch of ME1 saves out on the intertron somewhere ?
Well, that's a bummer. Starting a Female Shepard from scratch means that Wrex is dead. Are there still a bunch of ME1 saves out on the intertron somewhere ?
Oh, where do I save that save so ME2 can find it ?
It has been a while since I've done this, but I believe that the save is supposed to go in your Mass Effect 1 saves file, then use the ME2 launcher tool to import it into ME2.
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If you import an ME1 save, your level will vary depending on the level you reached in ME1 (I think the low end is level 3, and if you hit level 60 in ME1 you start at level 5).
One run in ME1 should net you into the mid-50s if you do everything; if you're doing a quick run through, maybe the high 40s low 50s.
Dunno if you're just doing the 15 hour "I want to finish as quickly as possible" run though.
-Tal summarizes most of what I was going to say, but I'd add...
That the Reapers have probably been FTL'ing for at least a few hundred years as of ME1 - probably thousands. Vigil strongly implies that the invasion should have already happened, but the Prothean research team disabled the signal. I think the email you get from that Salarian implies the same.
So presumably, they've been hauling ass through dark space for a long time now - hence the showing up around the same time they clearly had activated "plan B" with the Collectors, which I'd say was a result of them realizing that there was a decent chance the Citadel might be able to be used to shutdown Mass Relays within the galaxy (ME1 notes this is what it does) and thus severely mess with the Reaper invasion plan.
Counterpoint: End of Me2 that shot implies the other Reapers are 'waking up', in that each lights up their 'eyes' one after another on Harbinger's command. Generally implying that at the end of Me2 they are no longer 'waiting' but are 'coming to get us'.
the Reapers invade during the middle off the trial, and Shepad escapes to the Normandy,
but I hope we get to see quite a bit of the trial before that happens , because I think it could be comedy gold.
Judge: "Commander Shepard, you are charged with conspiring with a known terrorist organization. unlawful use of an A.I. Numerous counts of murder. Torture. Assaulting a member of the press, twice. And wanton destruction of property. How do you plead?"
-Tal summarizes most of what I was going to say, but I'd add...
That the Reapers have probably been FTL'ing for at least a few hundred years as of ME1 - probably thousands. Vigil strongly implies that the invasion should have already happened, but the Prothean research team disabled the signal. I think the email you get from that Salarian implies the same.
So presumably, they've been hauling ass through dark space for a long time now - hence the showing up around the same time they clearly had activated "plan B" with the Collectors, which I'd say was a result of them realizing that there was a decent chance the Citadel might be able to be used to shutdown Mass Relays within the galaxy (ME1 notes this is what it does) and thus severely mess with the Reaper invasion plan.
Counterpoint: End of Me2 that shot implies the other Reapers are 'waking up', in that each lights up their 'eyes' one after another on Harbinger's command. Generally implying that at the end of Me2 they are no longer 'waiting' but are 'coming to get us'.
Except that you can do Arrival before the ending, and it would probably take the reapers more than a few weeks/months to get to the Viper Nebula. Even 2-3 years is a little fast, I think, depending on how far out they were. The reapers were still in motion even as they lit up, maybe they were just taking a nap or something.
I don't think they've been FTLing for thousands of years though, because they still expected Sovereign to open the portal.
I'm actually kinda annoyed/worried Earth is getting attacked. It provides an emotional impact more than some random fictional alien world being bombed.
Already I can feel a sense of urgency to the game.
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Whats Cryo ammo good for? I never found myself using it. (In ME2)
I found it pretty useful playing Infiltrator. Disruptor for synthetics, cryo for organics. Shattering krogan is fun.
Well blow me down, kill me in 40 years and call me a Salarian! I did not notice that! Those scallywags at bioware shall feel the wrath of my vengeance!
Ok I lied, bioware you have my wallet. Do not tease meh....
-Tal summarizes most of what I was going to say, but I'd add...
That the Reapers have probably been FTL'ing for at least a few hundred years as of ME1 - probably thousands. Vigil strongly implies that the invasion should have already happened, but the Prothean research team disabled the signal. I think the email you get from that Salarian implies the same.
So presumably, they've been hauling ass through dark space for a long time now - hence the showing up around the same time they clearly had activated "plan B" with the Collectors, which I'd say was a result of them realizing that there was a decent chance the Citadel might be able to be used to shutdown Mass Relays within the galaxy (ME1 notes this is what it does) and thus severely mess with the Reaper invasion plan.
Counterpoint: End of Me2 that shot implies the other Reapers are 'waking up', in that each lights up their 'eyes' one after another on Harbinger's command. Generally implying that at the end of Me2 they are no longer 'waiting' but are 'coming to get us'.
Except that you can do Arrival before the ending, and it would probably take the reapers more than a few weeks/months to get to the Viper Nebula. Even 2-3 years is a little fast, I think, depending on how far out they were. The reapers were still in motion even as they lit up, maybe they were just taking a nap or something.
I don't think they've been FTLing for thousands of years though, because they still expected Sovereign to open the portal.
the reapers made the mass relays. i'm guessing they can use some kind of superFTL or something that allows them to go really really fast. we're all still thinking within the paradigms the reapers made!
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Didn't the Reapers go out to the ass-end of Dark Space just so they wouldn't be bothered while sleeping?
I'm guessing they probably didn't built to many mass relays around that area because of that.
That being said...yeah, I wonder how fast they can go regular speed.
I'm actually kinda annoyed/worried Earth is getting attacked. It provides an emotional impact more than some random fictional alien world being bombed.
Already I can feel a sense of urgency to the game.
the game OPENS with earth getting wrecked. that's even more motivation than saren smugging around after eden prime. either the earth blows up in the first few hours of the game, or the earth is repurposed into a reaper base of sorts and you have to invade it at the end. that's balls, bioware.
I'm actually kinda annoyed/worried Earth is getting attacked. It provides an emotional impact more than some random fictional alien world being bombed.
Already I can feel a sense of urgency to the game.
the game OPENS with earth getting wrecked. that's even more motivation than saren smugging around after eden prime. either the earth blows up in the first few hours of the game, or the earth is repurposed into a reaper base of sorts and you have to invade it at the end. that's balls, bioware.
Exactly. It's like Halo 2 except done right.
Flee Earth in the first act. Second act is finding the MacGuffin, third act has you returning to find it in ruins and fuck yeah! we get to take it back, bitches!
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Probably has something to do with their mysterious and unknown motives. We know they harvest stuff. For what reason? Maybe we'll never know. But what we do know is that their Plan A is more efficient and effective at doing so, giving them more slave races, more intact worlds to plunder.
Conflagrating the entire galaxy in an unwinnable resistance war probably ruins their lunch. I dunno. When you're outside of time, outside of space you have no need to rush. The inevitable can wait. Clearly they have decided enough is enough, hence why they attack Earth first, seeing as it was humans that destroyed Sovereign, humans who stopped the Collectors, and humans who are uniting the races under their banner.
Which are they, and how many MS funbucks would be required?
Overlord, Kasumi, Shadow Broker, Arrival. All worth the price of admission.
If they were perfectly rational, they probably would have initiated a harvest as soon as Sovereign bit it, to minimize the risk. But up to the end of ME2, they were pursuing secondary goals, which would be creating new reapers and fucking with us.
Because I want to see more of the latter.
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I don't think earth is going to be "first", I'm assuming they'll spread their numbers out and hit everyone. I can't remember if it was vergil but someone states that the reapers are billions of years old, if they harvest every 50000 years then they number in the 10000s, no fleet is going to be able to stand up to that noise.
Plus, to Commander Shepard there's no such thing as an unwinnable battle. Just battles he hasn't fought yet.
Because he has protagonist powers?
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Pretty much. And his/her powers only grow with every new game/DLC
The Collectors were originally just there to research genetic anomalies and judge species' potential, and were never any kind of military force. After Sovereign's failure, they began pre-emptively gathering humans to build another reaper. This reaper could potentially be a second vanguard. However, the reapers operated two back-up plans at once. They started FTLing into the edge of the galaxy right after Sovereign's failure, and just got to the Viper nebula after 2-3 years. The Alpha Relay could zip them across the galaxy, but it's not nearly as effective as the Citadel Portal.
Even with that relay destroyed, the reapers can still FTL to other relays. This is slow as shit, and now the Collectors can't even operate the other backup plan while they move. If the Council wasn't dumb, this would give us a lot of time to prepare. But they are, so we're fucked.
So presumably, they've been hauling ass through dark space for a long time now - hence the showing up around the same time they clearly had activated "plan B" with the Collectors, which I'd say was a result of them realizing that there was a decent chance the Citadel might be able to be used to shutdown Mass Relays within the galaxy (ME1 notes this is what it does) and thus severely mess with the Reaper invasion plan.
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Because I am too slow, I will discuss how much of a badass my level 20 Insanity Vanguard is.
EDIT- Note that you need to download BOTH the Save and Character files for ME2 to import the saved game.
It has been a while since I've done this, but I believe that the save is supposed to go in your Mass Effect 1 saves file, then use the ME2 launcher tool to import it into ME2.
If you import into 2, do you continue from there or are you back to lvl 1?
One run in ME1 should net you into the mid-50s if you do everything; if you're doing a quick run through, maybe the high 40s low 50s.
Dunno if you're just doing the 15 hour "I want to finish as quickly as possible" run though.
Counterpoint: End of Me2 that shot implies the other Reapers are 'waking up', in that each lights up their 'eyes' one after another on Harbinger's command. Generally implying that at the end of Me2 they are no longer 'waiting' but are 'coming to get us'.
It can be done in 4 hours.
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Judge: "Commander Shepard, you are charged with conspiring with a known terrorist organization. unlawful use of an A.I. Numerous counts of murder. Torture. Assaulting a member of the press, twice. And wanton destruction of property. How do you plead?"
Shepard: "I don't plead, I tell."
Except that you can do Arrival before the ending, and it would probably take the reapers more than a few weeks/months to get to the Viper Nebula. Even 2-3 years is a little fast, I think, depending on how far out they were. The reapers were still in motion even as they lit up, maybe they were just taking a nap or something.
I don't think they've been FTLing for thousands of years though, because they still expected Sovereign to open the portal.
Already I can feel a sense of urgency to the game.
Well blow me down, kill me in 40 years and call me a Salarian! I did not notice that! Those scallywags at bioware shall feel the wrath of my vengeance!
Ok I lied, bioware you have my wallet.
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the reapers made the mass relays. i'm guessing they can use some kind of superFTL or something that allows them to go really really fast. we're all still thinking within the paradigms the reapers made!
I'm guessing they probably didn't built to many mass relays around that area because of that.
That being said...yeah, I wonder how fast they can go regular speed.
I mean I'm going to pick it up anyway, but are we talking Shadowbroker or Pinnacle Station?
I'd put it around Overlord.
Not great, not bad, but solid.
Exactly. It's like Halo 2 except done right.
Flee Earth in the first act. Second act is finding the MacGuffin, third act has you returning to find it in ruins and fuck yeah! we get to take it back, bitches!
Many, many field executions will be required.
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