I refuse to see the Transformers movie. I just refuse to. I could start a new thread as to why Michael Bay sucks, but I'm sure it's been done before. What is now upsetting is the slew of 80's properties -- my beloved fucking childhood memories that are being harvested for big-screen destruction.
Currently on the table:
Alvin and the Chipmunks - live action/cgi
Thundercats - cgi
He-Man - live action?
GI Joe - live action
What the hell people?
I'm so depressed. What are the chances these will be good? I mean, the TMNT movie was pretty decent, but I just have no hope for these.
Maybe if they did a new Voltron. I would see that.
To be fair, He-Man has already had a live-action treatment given to it. It starred Dolph Lundgren (sp?), Courtney Cox, and Tom Paris from Star Trek Voyager.
To be fair, He-Man has already had a live-action treatment given to it. It starred Dolph Lundgren (sp?), Courtney Cox, and Tom Paris from Star Trek Voyager.
...And it was awesome.
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It's easier to rape your memories than to create something original.
See, they can just crank out some steaming turd that audiences will be all nostalgic for, and it'll be box office gold!
I thought Transformers was great. You can nitpick at a lot of things in it, but at the end of the day, that's probably the best actual representation that could have come about. Plus, I'm seeing a sequel in its horizon. Omnicron maybe?
Did you hear they're actually making a Voltron? I was hoping that was what JJ Abrams was working on, but I doubt it.
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The alternative to making movies based on existing properties is... making movies not based on existing properties. Which Hollywood does plenty of. Your problem is...?
SEriously, I loved the Masters of the Universe movie. The new characters they introduced (my favourite was that blade-wielding guy until it became obvious that he was a pussy) were awesome, and it had a pretty intricate storyline for a live-action adaptation of a kid's show.
Also, and more importantly, all of the shows you liked as a kid were really shitty anyways. You're lucky if a movie made from that source material is good. But this "raping my childhood" is bullshit. Please don't get nostalgic over toy commercials with shitty animation.
I refuse to see the Transformers movie. I just refuse to. I could start a new thread as to why Michael Bay sucks, but I'm sure it's been done before. What is now upsetting is the slew of 80's properties -- my beloved fucking childhood memories that are being harvested for big-screen destruction.
Currently on the table:
Alvin and the Chipmunks - live action/cgi
Thundercats - cgi
He-Man - live action?
GI Joe - live action
What the hell people?
I'm so depressed. What are the chances these will be good? I mean, the TMNT movie was pretty decent, but I just have no hope for these.
Maybe if they did a new Voltron. I would see that.
I agree with you that these movies will probably suck, but for different reasons: we're all looking at these "franchises" through the rose-colored glasses of nostalgia.
I enjoyed Transformers, but I absolutely cringed when their names were mentioned, because as an adult I can recognize the unbelievable absurdity of some of them: why would an alien robot name itself after an American music style? Or an Earth insect? (x2, if you count scorpions as insects.)
There just are certain ridiculous, silly things that we have no problem believing as children that don't translate to adulthood. That, and we tend to put our earliest memories on a pedestal, assuming that any future reinterpretation or "reimagining" is somehow an assault on the original that we cherish---and I wonder if these two ideas aren't connected, and we have knee-jerk negative reactions against the newer versions precisely because we're embarassed at or otherwise keenly aware, albeit subconsciously, of the silliness involved in the whole thing.
I agree with you that these movies will probably suck, but for different reasons: we're all looking at these "franchises" through the rose-colored glasses of nostalgia.
I enjoyed Transformers, but I absolutely cringed when their names were mentioned, because as an adult I can recognize the unbelievable absurdity of some of them: why would an alien robot name itself after an American music style? Or an Earth insect? (x2, if you count scorpions as insects.)
There just are certain ridiculous, silly things that we have no problem believing as children that don't translate to adulthood. That, and we tend to put our earliest memories on a pedestal, assuming that any future reinterpretation or "reimagining" is somehow an assault on the original that we cherish---and I wonder if these two ideas aren't connected, and we have knee-jerk negative reactions against the newer versions precisely because we're embarassed at or otherwise keenly aware, albeit subconsciously, of the silliness involved in the whole thing.
My glasses are extra rosy for that reason. I'm right on board with you, I'm sure I'd hate them if I watched them now, but in my mind, these things are beatiful, dripping with nostalgia and beckoning me to remember them as more than the sum of their parts.
I found the Transformer movie didn't so much rape my childhood as make sweet sweet love to it. Sure they're exploiting my fond memories but it felt so right.
Also I was aghast when I bought the Thundercats DVD season 1; that show really was crap in a bag, they have all these weapons and they never use them, they just wave them around until the two pathetic bad guys run away. And Mumra; I used to be scared of Mumra...
GI Joe is something I wouldn’t mind seeing done right; the first movie was and still is awesome but their recent endeavors (sigma 6 for one) are horrendous.
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I found the Transformer movie didn't so much rape my childhood as make sweet sweet love to it. Sure they're exploiting my fond memories but it felt so right.
Also I was aghast when I bought the Thundercats DVD season 1; that show really was crap in a bag, they have all these weapons and they never use them, they just wave them around until the two pathetic bad guys run away. And Mumra; I used to be scared of Mumra...
GI Joe is something I wouldn’t mind seeing done right; the first movie was and still is awesome but their recent endeavors (sigma 6 for one) are horrendous.
What would a GI Joe movie even be though? Wouldn't it just be a pretty standard military movie with characters who had names from the show? I can't imagine they'd fuck it up too much, but I can't imagine it being all that great either.
I found the Transformer movie didn't so much rape my childhood as make sweet sweet love to it. Sure they're exploiting my fond memories but it felt so right.
Also I was aghast when I bought the Thundercats DVD season 1; that show really was crap in a bag, they have all these weapons and they never use them, they just wave them around until the two pathetic bad guys run away. And Mumra; I used to be scared of Mumra...
GI Joe is something I wouldn’t mind seeing done right; the first movie was and still is awesome but their recent endeavors (sigma 6 for one) are horrendous.
What would a GI Joe movie even be though? Wouldn't it just be a pretty standard military movie with characters who had names from the show? I can't imagine they'd fuck it up too much, but I can't imagine it being all that great either.
GI Joe has enough fantasy elements to distinguish itself; the problem is selling this to a mainstream audience. If anything they would likely focus on Snake-eyes and Stormshadow. There's also the problem of giving it too much political propaganda; even if they keep it to a minimum there would still be comparisons between cobra and Al Qaeda. You're right in that a GI Joe movie would probably end up as a fairly generic army film; but if they can do it properly it's still something I'd like to see.
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Which begs the question, why would you watch a GI Joe movie, which would most likely be a regular ation movie but less violent and more kid-friendly (no blood, no swearing beyond a "damn" or two), when you could watch a regular violent action movie that is semi-believable and not loaded with silliness?
I found the Transformer movie didn't so much rape my childhood as make sweet sweet love to it. Sure they're exploiting my fond memories but it felt so right.
Also I was aghast when I bought the Thundercats DVD season 1; that show really was crap in a bag, they have all these weapons and they never use them, they just wave them around until the two pathetic bad guys run away. And Mumra; I used to be scared of Mumra...
GI Joe is something I wouldn’t mind seeing done right; the first movie was and still is awesome but their recent endeavors (sigma 6 for one) are horrendous.
What would a GI Joe movie even be though? Wouldn't it just be a pretty standard military movie with characters who had names from the show? I can't imagine they'd fuck it up too much, but I can't imagine it being all that great either.
Supposedly they are "updating" for "modern parallels".
I found the Transformer movie didn't so much rape my childhood as make sweet sweet love to it. Sure they're exploiting my fond memories but it felt so right.
Also I was aghast when I bought the Thundercats DVD season 1; that show really was crap in a bag, they have all these weapons and they never use them, they just wave them around until the two pathetic bad guys run away. And Mumra; I used to be scared of Mumra...
GI Joe is something I wouldn’t mind seeing done right; the first movie was and still is awesome but their recent endeavors (sigma 6 for one) are horrendous.
What would a GI Joe movie even be though? Wouldn't it just be a pretty standard military movie with characters who had names from the show? I can't imagine they'd fuck it up too much, but I can't imagine it being all that great either.
Supposedly they are "updating" for "modern parallels".
In a Gi Joe movie? I mean, I don't think I can put to words how badly I think that will turn out.
Still, why would you watch that when you could watch a regular action movie?
Pretty much the same thing except more violent and with less traces of 80's kid's cartoon silliness.
Its kind of annoying but, like someone else mentioned, original movies are still being produced. At any rate kids today are probably better off watching these movies as opposed to the original shows.
Which begs the question, why would you watch a GI Joe movie, which would most likely be a regular ation movie but less violent and more kid-friendly (no blood, no swearing beyond a "damn" or two), when you could watch a regular violent action movie that is semi-believable and not loaded with silliness?
Look up the script. No Cobra Commander. No Serpentor. The head baddie's name, Cool Dude. Snake Eyes can talk, but has shitty eyesight. Scarlett loves Duke, and.... ACTION MAN! I could go on, but I'm sure you want me to stop.
Which begs the question, why would you watch a GI Joe movie, which would most likely be a regular ation movie but less violent and more kid-friendly (no blood, no swearing beyond a "damn" or two), when you could watch a regular violent action movie that is semi-believable and not loaded with silliness?
Look up the script. No Cobra Commander. No Serpentor. The head baddie's name, Cool Dude. Snake Eyes can talk, but has shitty eyesight. Scarlett loves Duke, and.... ACTION MAN! I could go on, but I'm sure you want me to stop.
Supposedly they are "updating" for "modern parallels".
In a Gi Joe movie? I mean, I don't think I can put to words how badly I think that will turn out.
Still, why would you watch that when you could watch a regular action movie?
Pretty much the same thing except more violent and with less traces of 80's kid's cartoon silliness.
Where's the need to updating anything beyond the clothes and some other superficialities? If anything, the War of Terror makes the whole defending-the-world-against-dangerous-terrorists thing more appropriate to today than 20 years ago.
It is true that your memories are lying to you. Most of these shows were horrible.
Now, I don't support the idea of "my childhood==raep", but I keep seeing this comment, and I'd like to say that just because something was shitty but well remembered doesn't mean that it can't be vastly improved. Just because something is from an era gone by doesn't mean that it can't be treated with more respect that it actually deserves. Given a few months and a paycheck, I could turn out a completely awesome script for a Thundercats movie. Here's how you do it: go back and watch the original. Observe it critically and pick out what is terrible and HAS TO GO, and what is merely absurd but workable. Keep what is necessary and good.
Well, maybe not Thundercats. I could write a good Thundercats script, but it wouldn't get picked up by studios because there's not enough material to root it in reality. In order to be able to sell a script, it has to be rooted in reality so audiences will be able to identify with it.
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...And it was awesome.
See, they can just crank out some steaming turd that audiences will be all nostalgic for, and it'll be box office gold!
Did you hear they're actually making a Voltron? I was hoping that was what JJ Abrams was working on, but I doubt it.
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Also, and more importantly, all of the shows you liked as a kid were really shitty anyways. You're lucky if a movie made from that source material is good. But this "raping my childhood" is bullshit. Please don't get nostalgic over toy commercials with shitty animation.
I agree with you that these movies will probably suck, but for different reasons: we're all looking at these "franchises" through the rose-colored glasses of nostalgia.
I enjoyed Transformers, but I absolutely cringed when their names were mentioned, because as an adult I can recognize the unbelievable absurdity of some of them: why would an alien robot name itself after an American music style? Or an Earth insect? (x2, if you count scorpions as insects.)
There just are certain ridiculous, silly things that we have no problem believing as children that don't translate to adulthood. That, and we tend to put our earliest memories on a pedestal, assuming that any future reinterpretation or "reimagining" is somehow an assault on the original that we cherish---and I wonder if these two ideas aren't connected, and we have knee-jerk negative reactions against the newer versions precisely because we're embarassed at or otherwise keenly aware, albeit subconsciously, of the silliness involved in the whole thing.
I mean, they're all naked in the pilot.
NAKED.
Just saying.
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There's no way they can make it worse by making a movie. Yes, they'll be ruining your memories, but your memories were lying to you.
My glasses are extra rosy for that reason. I'm right on board with you, I'm sure I'd hate them if I watched them now, but in my mind, these things are beatiful, dripping with nostalgia and beckoning me to remember them as more than the sum of their parts.
Truth be told, I hated Thundercats even as a kid. My poor brother though...he always liked those homo-erotic man-cat furry things.
I worry about him.
Here here. The movie was very bad-ass.
The new Transformers movie is better than the show ever was.
Has Michael Bay really been getting death threats over Transformers?
Also I was aghast when I bought the Thundercats DVD season 1; that show really was crap in a bag, they have all these weapons and they never use them, they just wave them around until the two pathetic bad guys run away. And Mumra; I used to be scared of Mumra...
GI Joe is something I wouldn’t mind seeing done right; the first movie was and still is awesome but their recent endeavors (sigma 6 for one) are horrendous.
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I heard he got a couple for giving Optimus flame decals; but I have nothing to back this up.
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What would a GI Joe movie even be though? Wouldn't it just be a pretty standard military movie with characters who had names from the show? I can't imagine they'd fuck it up too much, but I can't imagine it being all that great either.
GI Joe has enough fantasy elements to distinguish itself; the problem is selling this to a mainstream audience. If anything they would likely focus on Snake-eyes and Stormshadow. There's also the problem of giving it too much political propaganda; even if they keep it to a minimum there would still be comparisons between cobra and Al Qaeda. You're right in that a GI Joe movie would probably end up as a fairly generic army film; but if they can do it properly it's still something I'd like to see.
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Oh, hey, sweet I could totally be into a CGI or animated version--oh jesus god almighty why.
Supposedly they are "updating" for "modern parallels".
Still, why would you watch that when you could watch a regular action movie?
Pretty much the same thing except more violent and with less traces of 80's kid's cartoon silliness.
Look up the script. No Cobra Commander. No Serpentor. The head baddie's name, Cool Dude. Snake Eyes can talk, but has shitty eyesight. Scarlett loves Duke, and.... ACTION MAN! I could go on, but I'm sure you want me to stop.
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Yes, but what about Capt. Grid-Iron?
"It's supposed to be for kids, you ass!"
Where's the need to updating anything beyond the clothes and some other superficialities? If anything, the War of Terror makes the whole defending-the-world-against-dangerous-terrorists thing more appropriate to today than 20 years ago.
Now, I don't support the idea of "my childhood==raep", but I keep seeing this comment, and I'd like to say that just because something was shitty but well remembered doesn't mean that it can't be vastly improved. Just because something is from an era gone by doesn't mean that it can't be treated with more respect that it actually deserves. Given a few months and a paycheck, I could turn out a completely awesome script for a Thundercats movie. Here's how you do it: go back and watch the original. Observe it critically and pick out what is terrible and HAS TO GO, and what is merely absurd but workable. Keep what is necessary and good.
Well, maybe not Thundercats. I could write a good Thundercats script, but it wouldn't get picked up by studios because there's not enough material to root it in reality. In order to be able to sell a script, it has to be rooted in reality so audiences will be able to identify with it.