Well even if the individual stories didn't feel contrived at first, it was fairly contrived how the sides ended up as they were. E.g. F4 split for dramatic editorial reasons, not because Reed the character should have acted like that. Also, Maria Hill and 20 soldiers in a pitch black room is directly equivalent to Cap & Avengers showing up on Utopia.
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There's a mixed message from Brevoort, where on one hand he admits it's to sync up with the movie and other depictions of Fury, then later he says "well, this new Fury did come from the comics, but from Ultimate to movie to animation, so he's been there all along, what's your problem fans" in an unnecessary dig at the fans. With something this blatant, just say what it is and move on. I think they did it better (and it's mentioned) when Peter had organic shooters to sync up to the movie.
I got a chuckle out of this answer in terms of complete lack of interest on the series (the 4th issue only sold 16k):
Nrama: How much of a challenge was it to market Battle Scars while keeping these major elements under wraps? I think it took a lot of people by surprise, both the actual developments and where it was coming from.
Brevoort: Well, obviously we like taking people by surprise. We also like it when our books sell well. It was definitely an issue, and I suspect that Battle Scars all along has been kind of under-ordered consequently. It's a problem just in the nature of comic book promotion. We tell you every month that every comic we publish is going to be an absolute, can't-miss critical masterpiece. So saying, "There's an important character coming here! Something's going on here!" isn't always necessarily enough to convince readers or retailers to check it out or take a position, because they just don't know. Sometimes, despite our best intentions, things don’t go off the way we had hoped or planned. It was definitely something that we considered. We were hoping that just being able to press the mystery and the secret of "Who is this guy? Where does he come from? What's he all about?" would be enough to drive people's interest into the series.
Or Marvel could dial it back on overselling every issue or story to really make the important things like this reveal stand out.
I didn't really follow the story on Nick Fury Jr coming into play...but isn't the reason Nick Fury is so cool and respected by other heroes because he's been around for freaking forever and has tons of experience?
Then again, I don't know how else they could have transformed 616 Nick Fury into Ultimate Fury. I actually would have felt better with Ultimate Fury coming over into the 616 universe than Nick Fury Jr.
I'm not sure why they weren't just like, "Oh hey, master spy Nick Fury is now using a holographic costume, that looks an awful lot like Sam Jackson."
I mean, it'd be kind of weird to have a white guy wearing holographic black-face, maybe. It'd be like Psylocke ostensibly being an Asian character, but not really, as she's just a white lady in an Asian lady's body.
But, I don't feel like Nick Fury Jr. was a particularly earnest attempt to introduce a new, high-profile black character into the Marvel U, anyhow.
I didn't really follow the story on Nick Fury Jr coming into play...but isn't the reason Nick Fury is so cool and respected by other heroes because he's been around for freaking forever and has tons of experience?
Then again, I don't know how else they could have transformed 616 Nick Fury into Ultimate Fury. I actually would have felt better with Ultimate Fury coming over into the 616 universe than Nick Fury Jr.
Nick Fury Jr: Just like Nick Fury Classic, but only one patty for 99c.
I'm not sure why they weren't just like, "Oh hey, master spy Nick Fury is now using a holographic costume, that looks an awful lot like Sam Jackson."
I mean, it'd be kind of weird to have a white guy wearing holographic black-face, maybe. It'd be like Psylocke ostensibly being an Asian character, but not really, as she's just a white lady in an Asian lady's body.
But, I don't feel like Nick Fury Jr. was a particularly earnest attempt to introduce a new, high-profile black character into the Marvel U, anyhow.
I'm really bummed Coulson is being introduced in the same book. Because I'd love to see some Coulson but ew Nick Fury jr.
It's just so dumb. This is the epitome of comic book companies insistence of doing incredibly stupid things when movies come out. To bad they almost got away with it. Avengers Assemble was a great idea.
Is Avengers Assemble any good, though? I get the idea behind it, but I wasn't that interested. I didn't think anyone else was either, since there were still plenty available at the LCS this week.
Is Avengers Assemble any good, though? I get the idea behind it, but I wasn't that interested. I didn't think anyone else was either, since there were still plenty available at the LCS this week.
Right now I'm trade waiting for Assemble but that might change when A vs. X is over and I have to go back to making hard choices about what books I buy.
AvX has every book but AvX on fire. I'm glad I'm in a position where I can pick up all the main Avengers titles, including Assemble. Bendis, Bendis, Remender, and Bendis are all knocking it out of the park right now.
I'm almost sad that Bendis is leaving all of them. Then again, I've only been reading since the Heroic Age, so I'm not as tired of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' on-again, off-again romance as some of you might be.
Also, I flipped through the final Moon Knight today. I didn't realize that book was build-up to Age of Ultron, but I'm hoping we'll get some news soon with that series ending and the FCBD reprint of 12.1 coming next week.
Then again, I've only been reading since the Heroic Age, so I'm not as tired of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' on-again, off-again romance as some of you might be.
Was this sarcasm? I don't think anyone cares about Luke and Jessica at this point. I definitely have Bendis-fatigue at this point, and am really excited for somebody new (Hickman) to take over. But yeah, if you've only been reading since Heroic Age, it's been mostly good stuff.
Moon Knight was a cool series but it is still some hefty bullshit that Echo died
Echo is dead?!? Damn it, I liked her character. I thought she was underused by Bendis, and seemed to be tossed aside after being used for Hawkeye's shower buddy.
It was poorly marketed, but if a book written by Bendis, about a character with a decent established fan-base, and leading up to Age of Ultron can only last 12 issues, it doesn't give me a lot of hope for Marvel's new and B-list characters (though Huston and Hurwitz both wrote better Moon Knight books than Bendis).
Looking back at the first Avenger's trade, with future Iron Man's map of the future, I can see that they've followed the events outlined fairly faithfully. Though one thing that makes me lol is that there is nothing between Schism and Ultron War....which seems to imply to me that they're shoe-horning in the AvX event.
Unless it turns out AvX is really the opening salvo of the Ultron War, in which case I would be duly impressed.
Moon Knight was a cool series but it is still some hefty bullshit that Echo died
Echo is dead?!? Damn it, I liked her character. I thought she was underused by Bendis, and seemed to be tossed aside after being used for Hawkeye's shower buddy.
At least she is
a new "voice" in the head of Moon Knight's crazy. So she'll still have chances to be "seen" until they Resurrect her.
It was poorly marketed, but if a book written by Bendis, about a character with a decent established fan-base, and leading up to Age of Ultron can only last 12 issues, it doesn't give me a lot of hope for Marvel's new and B-list characters (though Huston and Hurwitz both wrote better Moon Knight books than Bendis).
I would have read it if it was written by almost anyone else.
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New Hawkeye comic (NSFW?):
So many jokes about him giving her the shaft... Still, a Clint/Kate romance would be creepy, no? What's the age difference?
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Also, Clint and Spider-Woman are currently a thing, so unless that's being thrown out...also, a 0? Odd.
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They're so annoying the way they're being portrayed, though. It's like "Oh hey guys we're just going to make out in front of all of you right now MHMPHMPHMHMPHMPHPMHMH k bye."
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So Clint is making out with Spider-Woman in main Avengers and they're apparently a couple
And he's making out with Black Widow on the cover of Assemble
And now he's making out with Kate Bishop
I didn't really follow the story on Nick Fury Jr coming into play...but isn't the reason Nick Fury is so cool and respected by other heroes because he's been around for freaking forever and has tons of experience?
Then again, I don't know how else they could have transformed 616 Nick Fury into Ultimate Fury. I actually would have felt better with Ultimate Fury coming over into the 616 universe than Nick Fury Jr.
Nick Fury Jr: Just like Nick Fury Classic, but only one patty for 99c.
I'm just calling him Nick Jr, to better associate him with early-morning Nickelodeon.
Also:
"Congratulations, you're a descendent of Nick Fury! That left eye? Might as well start wearing an eyepatch over it now, it might be the only way to keep from losing it, actually."
...
Say, has there ever been any kind of speculative link between Nick Fury and Odin? Because that would be...interesting.
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There's a mixed message from Brevoort, where on one hand he admits it's to sync up with the movie and other depictions of Fury, then later he says "well, this new Fury did come from the comics, but from Ultimate to movie to animation, so he's been there all along, what's your problem fans" in an unnecessary dig at the fans. With something this blatant, just say what it is and move on. I think they did it better (and it's mentioned) when Peter had organic shooters to sync up to the movie.
I got a chuckle out of this answer in terms of complete lack of interest on the series (the 4th issue only sold 16k):
Or Marvel could dial it back on overselling every issue or story to really make the important things like this reveal stand out.
I feel stupid just typing that out.
Nick. Fury. Jr.
Let's introduce Captain America Jr. while we're at it. Not Patriot, not Battlestar, not Jack Flag.
Captain America Jr.
Yeah, fresh, exciting things are happening in the Marvel Universe!
You know why it was under-ordered? Because everyone could smell that it was just a bunch of dumb bullshit, coming off a poorly-received event.
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he's not even his own character
he was a dude who was put in a series of contrived situations that led to him being Ultimate Fury
inexplicably beating up Taskmaster on the way
he's not Nick Fury
And Taskmaster is hard as ten men, he should have kicked Jr's ass
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
Then again, I don't know how else they could have transformed 616 Nick Fury into Ultimate Fury. I actually would have felt better with Ultimate Fury coming over into the 616 universe than Nick Fury Jr.
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I mean, it'd be kind of weird to have a white guy wearing holographic black-face, maybe. It'd be like Psylocke ostensibly being an Asian character, but not really, as she's just a white lady in an Asian lady's body.
But, I don't feel like Nick Fury Jr. was a particularly earnest attempt to introduce a new, high-profile black character into the Marvel U, anyhow.
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If it was earnest then I'm dating Kate Upton.
Nick Fury Jr: Just like Nick Fury Classic, but only one patty for 99c.
Kinda like how they brought back Swamp Thing with Brightest Day
Now there can just be good stories told (hopefully)
We still have AvX 3-12 to account for terrible reboots
shine on, you crazy diamond
I'm really bummed Coulson is being introduced in the same book. Because I'd love to see some Coulson but ew Nick Fury jr.
It's just so dumb. This is the epitome of comic book companies insistence of doing incredibly stupid things when movies come out. To bad they almost got away with it. Avengers Assemble was a great idea.
Highest selling Marvel book.
EDIT: other then AvX http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/22625.html
But they should've waited to release it closer to the movie instead of two months before it.
I'm almost sad that Bendis is leaving all of them. Then again, I've only been reading since the Heroic Age, so I'm not as tired of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' on-again, off-again romance as some of you might be.
Also, I flipped through the final Moon Knight today. I didn't realize that book was build-up to Age of Ultron, but I'm hoping we'll get some news soon with that series ending and the FCBD reprint of 12.1 coming next week.
Was this sarcasm? I don't think anyone cares about Luke and Jessica at this point. I definitely have Bendis-fatigue at this point, and am really excited for somebody new (Hickman) to take over. But yeah, if you've only been reading since Heroic Age, it's been mostly good stuff.
Echo is dead?!? Damn it, I liked her character. I thought she was underused by Bendis, and seemed to be tossed aside after being used for Hawkeye's shower buddy.
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bullshit
because he knows that the heroes will beat it
but then afterwards, when they are weakened, he can strike
that would be cool
Unless it turns out AvX is really the opening salvo of the Ultron War, in which case I would be duly impressed.
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At least she is
I would have read it if it was written by almost anyone else.
And I hate what he did to Spector
Any idea what he's going to be focusing on once he's done with the Avengers?
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Many signs point to him doing a new Guardians of the Galaxy/Cosmic relaunch.
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
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is it sad that I'm disappointed in that prospect solely because of how high abnet/lanning set that bar?
So many jokes about him giving her the shaft... Still, a Clint/Kate romance would be creepy, no? What's the age difference?
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And he's making out with Black Widow on the cover of Assemble
And now he's making out with Kate Bishop
Valkyrie better watch out in Secret Avengers
I'm just calling him Nick Jr, to better associate him with early-morning Nickelodeon.
Also:
"Congratulations, you're a descendent of Nick Fury! That left eye? Might as well start wearing an eyepatch over it now, it might be the only way to keep from losing it, actually."
...
Say, has there ever been any kind of speculative link between Nick Fury and Odin? Because that would be...interesting.