So, I keep seeing people claiming that the official, Word of God confirmation is that
(Spoilers for... well, you can likely guess. ;p )
Coulson has been confirmed to be actually alive
But I haven't been able to find any source for this anywhere. Any idea where it would be, or is it just bullshit?
It's bullshit.
I mean it is bullshit so far as no one has confirmed that.
It might end up being true, but probably not.
Well there was that interview I posted a few pages ago
Where Clark Gregg says that Whedon told him he would survive, but either one of them could be lying (probably Whedon)
Yeah considering Whedon has outright lied about a few things he was trying to hide about the film pre-release I doubt it
Maybe in Iron Man 3 they'll introduce his brother, Bill Coulson.
Honestly,
They just need to have him in flashbacks, and it'll be perfect. Same character, same personality and awesomeness, and it would only make the death that much more poignant
That's the best way to handle it, and it requires the least about of goofy theorizing, and it fits with everything overall.
So, I keep seeing people claiming that the official, Word of God confirmation is that
(Spoilers for... well, you can likely guess. ;p )
Coulson has been confirmed to be actually alive
But I haven't been able to find any source for this anywhere. Any idea where it would be, or is it just bullshit?
It's bullshit.
I mean it is bullshit so far as no one has confirmed that.
It might end up being true, but probably not.
Well there was that interview I posted a few pages ago
Where Clark Gregg says that Whedon told him he would survive, but either one of them could be lying (probably Whedon)
Yeah considering Whedon has outright lied about a few things he was trying to hide about the film pre-release I doubt it
Maybe in Iron Man 3 they'll introduce his brother, Bill Coulson.
Honestly,
They just need to have him in flashbacks, and it'll be perfect. Same character, same personality and awesomeness, and it would only make the death that much more poignant
That's the best way to handle it, and it requires the least about of goofy theorizing, and it fits with everything overall.
So, I keep seeing people claiming that the official, Word of God confirmation is that
(Spoilers for... well, you can likely guess. ;p )
Coulson has been confirmed to be actually alive
But I haven't been able to find any source for this anywhere. Any idea where it would be, or is it just bullshit?
It's bullshit.
I mean it is bullshit so far as no one has confirmed that.
It might end up being true, but probably not.
Well there was that interview I posted a few pages ago
Where Clark Gregg says that Whedon told him he would survive, but either one of them could be lying (probably Whedon)
Yeah considering Whedon has outright lied about a few things he was trying to hide about the film pre-release I doubt it
Maybe in Iron Man 3 they'll introduce his brother, Bill Coulson.
Honestly,
They just need to have him in flashbacks, and it'll be perfect. Same character, same personality and awesomeness, and it would only make the death that much more poignant
That's the best way to handle it, and it requires the least about of goofy theorizing, and it fits with everything overall.
But
the Vision
is terrible.
you could not be more wrong
I'm okay with being wrong about this. What are some good stories I could read to change my mind?
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
he is a massive jerk who is dumb as shit. He's basically a nasty thug who was given the power to fight Gods. Being the thug that he is offsets and shows off Thor's nobility and so on. If you have Absorbing Man, you can show Thor being kind and respectful and so on while Crusher goes around being a brute.
but he is insanely powerful and so you can't just whack him down. Which means that Thor looks like a great guy, but is a bit outside his comfort zone, in that he can't beat the dude through physical prowess, he has to be more cunning about it.
Absorbing Man has loads of potential as a future Thor villain and it would be cool to see him in the movies. Hopefully Thor would get to have a full on fight against someone who can match his power and have it last longer than the Destroyer fight, which was cool but way too short.
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ang lee's hulk was really fucking good and if you hate it you hate america
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Just saw it, loved it as expected. Floored by the post-ending sequence.
1. Jennifer Connelly
2. Sam Elliot
3. Desert fight/chase
4. Jennifer Connelly
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I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
especially given that ang lee's hulk is not a HULK SMASH action movie
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
Much as it pains me to say it
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I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
oh no not taking one character's power set and applying it to a different character
heavens forbid
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I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
especially given that ang lee's hulk is not a HULK SMASH action movie
Absorbing man was bad, hulk dogs were bad, bana was not a very good banner
Ang lee's hulk is universally panned as a horrible movie and there are reasons for that.
Exactly one of the things you said there is true.
One.
I know there are people who didn't like Ang Lee's Hulk, but "universally panned" is straight-up fabrication. It has a 62% on Rotten Tomates; Ed Norton's has a 67%.
I didn't think there was a very big gap between Norton's Banner and Bana's. Absorbing Man did what he needed to in the film.
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
oh no not taking one character's power set and applying it to a different character
heavens forbid
This is totally okay!
Whiplash is nothing like comics Whiplash, he is some sort of unholy hybrid with Crimson Dynamo and works way better than the comics version
what I am saying is that the movie version of Absorbing Man is nothing like the comics version except the fact that he can absorb things(which is also done differently) and I prefer the comics version
if you like the movie, great, I personally don't.
but going WOW YOU DON'T LIKE THIS MOVIE WHAT A FUCKING MORON HAHA is just being an asshole
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
oh no not taking one character's power set and applying it to a different character
heavens forbid
Right
but when you say "I got this old character and changed him so his powers are the same but everything else is different"
and then the new character sucks
then people can moan about that
also, if you change a character's personality, origins and so on greatly, then people can legit say they are not the same any more
FVL's Taskmaster mini would have been great if it hadn't been for Taskmaster, but it was, and it sucked as a result, because it was so at odds with the character as he existed beforehand.
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
It's an "unfaithful" adaptation, certainly.
Calling that "bad" is a matter of opinion, and pretty much ignores what the point of the Absorbing Man in the film was, and the metaphors for "terrible father" that go hand in hand with the power of the Absorbing Man.
I also notice that you're way off point, since you just plain didn't address the thing I challenged you on, which is "final fight scene was bad". What was bad about it? That it had the Absorbing Man in it at all?
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I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
oh no not taking one character's power set and applying it to a different character
heavens forbid
Right
but when you say "I got this old character and changed him so his powers are the same but everything else is different"
and then the new character sucks
then people can moan about that
also, if you change a character's personality, origins and so on greatly, then people can legit say they are not the same any more
FVL's Taskmaster mini would have been great if it hadn't been for Taskmaster, but it was, and it sucked as a result, because it was so at odds with the character as he existed beforehand.
you are higher than a kite because that taskmaster mini ruled
Kinda funny that both Hulk movies borrowed plot elements from the 1999 Hulk reboot series, 2003 from a long Paul Jenkins story (Hulk dogs) and 2008 from the INSANELY LONG Bruce Jones run (computer code names).
Speaking of the early 2000s Bruce Jones Hulk run I'll defend the first half of it but the second half just drug on and on. And I read it in trade format, I can't imagine reading the whole thing in singles issues back then.
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
It's an "unfaithful" adaptation, certainly.
Calling that "bad" is a matter of opinion, and pretty much ignores what the point of the Absorbing Man in the film was, and the metaphors for "terrible father" that go hand in hand with the power of the Absorbing Man.
I also notice that you're way off point, since you just plain didn't address the thing I challenged you on, which is "final fight scene was bad". What was bad about it? That it had the Absorbing Man in it at all?
It is bad because it is not a dang fight scene
I understand that Lee's Hulk ISN'T AN ACTION MOVIE or whatever
but having Hulk defeat Absorbing Man via yelling and having the most physical action between them be Hulk smashing some things being thrown at him
not a good Hulk fight scene
Look, I get that you like the movie. I am not trying to change your mind, but stating that people who disagree with you are SO WRONG is just being a dick
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
It's an "unfaithful" adaptation, certainly.
Calling that "bad" is a matter of opinion, and pretty much ignores what the point of the Absorbing Man in the film was, and the metaphors for "terrible father" that go hand in hand with the power of the Absorbing Man.
I also notice that you're way off point, since you just plain didn't address the thing I challenged you on, which is "final fight scene was bad". What was bad about it? That it had the Absorbing Man in it at all?
I am a staunch defender of the idea that there is n objectivity in art
and so I will simply say that I think that the Ang Lee version of Absorbing Man sucked balls
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
oh no not taking one character's power set and applying it to a different character
heavens forbid
Right
but when you say "I got this old character and changed him so his powers are the same but everything else is different"
and then the new character sucks
then people can moan about that
also, if you change a character's personality, origins and so on greatly, then people can legit say they are not the same any more
FVL's Taskmaster mini would have been great if it hadn't been for Taskmaster, but it was, and it sucked as a result, because it was so at odds with the character as he existed beforehand.
you are higher than a kite because that taskmaster mini ruled
it really didn't
the new Taskmaster origin is bullshit
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You know what is neat about Nolan's Batman universe?
They would often find characters they'd like to use, but they'd have to change things about them to put them in the movie.
So they made a new character based on that character, but with a different name and the changes they wanted and such.
(and yeah, the Taskmaster mini was garbage because it was basically a huge ass retcon to some pretty neat stories about the character. but for that detail, or if it had been a new/different character, it would have been amazing)
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I still vastly prefer Ang Lee's Hulk over the Norton one
Are you serious
Absolutely.
I think the article linked above made some good points about what was wrong with Ang Lee's Hulk, but it was way more interesting than Norton's film.
Norton's hulk was way more coherent, had way better action sequences, and had a much better leading man. Nick nolte is also horrible.
Nolte could have worked as anyone but Absorbing Man.
Like seriously even Abomination would have made more sense.
Yes, okay, I agree, the Absorbing Man was a bizarre choice for the bad guy, but they made it work pretty okay.
No they didn't
not at all
the big fight scene is him turning into a big cloud/storm and Hulk yelling at him and fight over
that is not doing it pretty okay
Absorbing Man could be a great movie villain, dude has the potential for some really cool scenes and awesome fights
they did it about the worst way you possibly could
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
Yeah it is always awesome when your response to someone disagreeing with you is "HA YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT FUCK YOU"
super great and not at all obnoxious
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
I am saying it is a very shitty adaptation of the Absorbing Man, which it objectively is.
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
It's an "unfaithful" adaptation, certainly.
Calling that "bad" is a matter of opinion, and pretty much ignores what the point of the Absorbing Man in the film was, and the metaphors for "terrible father" that go hand in hand with the power of the Absorbing Man
ok maybe I'm dumb
but please, enlighten me as to how the power to "absorb chemical and structural properties of what you touch and then changing into them" is a metaphor for being a terrible father
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No see when you yell a bad guy to death and are not Banshee there is a problem.
But Loki is here now so we can get Crusher Creel and forget all about Nick Nolte.
What you just said is something a dumb person would say. Stop that.
Loki is certainly at least as convincing as Nick Nolte was as a crazy, irredeemable person, so that's a plus. He also has a way cooler costume.
He's saying they shouldn't do that.
You should maybe consider trying to be right about some things sometime.
It feels pretty good, let me tell you.
you could not be more wrong
super great and not at all obnoxious
What if... What if everything we know is wrong?
Absorbing Man is a pretty cool villain, but in the Ang Lee movie it's like they actively tried to make it the worst adaption possible
I'm okay with being wrong about this. What are some good stories I could read to change my mind?
Ang lee's hulk is universally panned as a horrible movie and there are reasons for that.
I keep trying to tell people, but they just don't wanna listen.
Also that is a good song.
You want to sit down and go through the movies point by point and compare scenes?
Because "I didn't like the final fight scene" is pretty much as can't change your mind about this as it gets. I thought that scene was fine. Sorry you disagree. But if you legitimately want to sit down here and tell me objectively what was "wrong" with that scene other than "yelling is dumb for some reason!", you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
he is a massive jerk who is dumb as shit. He's basically a nasty thug who was given the power to fight Gods. Being the thug that he is offsets and shows off Thor's nobility and so on. If you have Absorbing Man, you can show Thor being kind and respectful and so on while Crusher goes around being a brute.
but he is insanely powerful and so you can't just whack him down. Which means that Thor looks like a great guy, but is a bit outside his comfort zone, in that he can't beat the dude through physical prowess, he has to be more cunning about it.
Absorbing Man has loads of potential as a future Thor villain and it would be cool to see him in the movies. Hopefully Thor would get to have a full on fight against someone who can match his power and have it last longer than the Destroyer fight, which was cool but way too short.
1. Jennifer Connelly
2. Sam Elliot
3. Desert fight/chase
4. Jennifer Connelly
Yes, yes, those are all good points. But have you considered that Sarukun likes it?
I mean, I'd put that shit on the front of every Ang Lee hulk DVD.
"Sarukun liked it? Man, fuck those critics, media, my friends, family, and own experiences slash memories. Sarukun likes it."
Absorbing Man is a fairly simple thug who ends up with godlike powers and does exactly what you'd expect with them. His charm is that he has the personality of a generic goon working at the docks but can give Hulk or Thor a decent fight. Which is why he would be a really fun villain if he was like, the muscle for Leader or something.
Having him be Bruce Banner's father who mutated his DNA with Starfish cells and turns into a giant cloud
that is not Absorbing Man
especially given that ang lee's hulk is not a HULK SMASH action movie
Much as it pains me to say it
Blank is right
oh no not taking one character's power set and applying it to a different character
heavens forbid
Why the fuck isn't?
Seriously, I don't go to Hulk films for high art.
I want a Hulk film to act like a Hulk film.
yes but unfortunately
those were the only good things
Exactly one of the things you said there is true.
One.
I know there are people who didn't like Ang Lee's Hulk, but "universally panned" is straight-up fabrication. It has a 62% on Rotten Tomates; Ed Norton's has a 67%.
I didn't think there was a very big gap between Norton's Banner and Bana's. Absorbing Man did what he needed to in the film.
Hulk dogs were stupid.
Whiplash is nothing like comics Whiplash, he is some sort of unholy hybrid with Crimson Dynamo and works way better than the comics version
what I am saying is that the movie version of Absorbing Man is nothing like the comics version except the fact that he can absorb things(which is also done differently) and I prefer the comics version
if you like the movie, great, I personally don't.
but going WOW YOU DON'T LIKE THIS MOVIE WHAT A FUCKING MORON HAHA is just being an asshole
Right
but when you say "I got this old character and changed him so his powers are the same but everything else is different"
and then the new character sucks
then people can moan about that
also, if you change a character's personality, origins and so on greatly, then people can legit say they are not the same any more
FVL's Taskmaster mini would have been great if it hadn't been for Taskmaster, but it was, and it sucked as a result, because it was so at odds with the character as he existed beforehand.
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I'd be more concerned that it was an incredibly unimaginative and poorly realised use of a power set
It's an "unfaithful" adaptation, certainly.
Calling that "bad" is a matter of opinion, and pretty much ignores what the point of the Absorbing Man in the film was, and the metaphors for "terrible father" that go hand in hand with the power of the Absorbing Man.
I also notice that you're way off point, since you just plain didn't address the thing I challenged you on, which is "final fight scene was bad". What was bad about it? That it had the Absorbing Man in it at all?
you are higher than a kite because that taskmaster mini ruled
Speaking of the early 2000s Bruce Jones Hulk run I'll defend the first half of it but the second half just drug on and on. And I read it in trade format, I can't imagine reading the whole thing in singles issues back then.
I understand that Lee's Hulk ISN'T AN ACTION MOVIE or whatever
but having Hulk defeat Absorbing Man via yelling and having the most physical action between them be Hulk smashing some things being thrown at him
not a good Hulk fight scene
Look, I get that you like the movie. I am not trying to change your mind, but stating that people who disagree with you are SO WRONG is just being a dick
people have opinions, it is crazy!
I am a staunch defender of the idea that there is n objectivity in art
and so I will simply say that I think that the Ang Lee version of Absorbing Man sucked balls
it really didn't
the new Taskmaster origin is bullshit
They would often find characters they'd like to use, but they'd have to change things about them to put them in the movie.
So they made a new character based on that character, but with a different name and the changes they wanted and such.
(and yeah, the Taskmaster mini was garbage because it was basically a huge ass retcon to some pretty neat stories about the character. but for that detail, or if it had been a new/different character, it would have been amazing)
ok maybe I'm dumb
but please, enlighten me as to how the power to "absorb chemical and structural properties of what you touch and then changing into them" is a metaphor for being a terrible father
because I am just not seeing it
very little