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Presidential Election 2012: I'm too old for this Mitt.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    they have stuff like that on there


    they just don't make charts

    actual real problems are usually far too complicated to properly express in a JPEG

    nice try
    a picture's worth a thousand words

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    I'm thinking more along the lines of just showing alternate views of specific charts, not trying to boil down complex issues into simple graphics

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular


    Jasconius wrote: »
    they have stuff like that on there


    they just don't make charts

    actual real problems are usually far too complicated to properly express in a JPEG

    no you just need more labels:

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Mitt Romney's favorite band is Agnostic Front. He loves the sound but doesn't get the lyrics.

    Or in the case of Agnostic Front, Mitt hates the music but loves the lyrics.

    Egads, that's pretty fucking awful.

    To think I had one of their cd's in high school. Thank goodness I remember none of it.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Kelly is wonderful

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    it nearly offends me how consistently good it is

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    his pants are pulled down because he is streaming the pornography

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    I love that there is always a crying statue of liberty

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    best use of crying liberty

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    I didn't realize until very recently that Kelly was from the onion. I had always thought they were real.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Quoth wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    I don't know that globalization could really be blamed for stockboys getting paid less

    We're not exactly outsourcing the stocking of our shelves to tech centers in India

    That is true but globalization impacts the unskilled labor pool in america across the board... in an environment of 8%+ unemployment, what are the chances that unskilled service jobs are going to see any kind of boost.... much less even be able to maintain an effective union? I argue almost nil.

    That's kind of what minimum wage is there for, ineffective though it may be.

    That really depends on the unemployment rate when this guy's dad was working as a stock boy, and on when/how much the pay rate has dropped

    Minimum wage was apparently $3.35/hr in 1990 and rose only slightly until 1997

    actually if it was in the seventies, the unemployment rate might have been irrelevant (depends on when, exactly)

    labor unions were strong enough in the early seventies that wages were rising even while unemployment was rising

    this is part of what triggered the crisis of democracy hysteria among the wealthy and powerful

    Shorty on
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    AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular

    sorry tom, once you release art to the public, the public can do what it wants with it

    He appears to agree with you.
    He can like whatever bands he wants

    Though overall, not a particularly insightful read.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    I didn't realize until very recently that Kelly was from the onion. I had always thought they were real.

    Wait what. Holy shit.

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    I didn't realize until very recently that Kelly was from the onion. I had always thought they were real.

    Wait what. Holy shit.

    Is this you just now finding this out or being amazed that he only just now figured it out

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    I didn't realize until very recently that Kelly was from the onion. I had always thought they were real.

    Wait what. Holy shit.

    Is this you just now finding this out or being amazed that he only just now figured it out

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    This is me just now finding this out. It's where trolls and the crazies that actually believe this stuff meet back on the other side.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    remember how we were just complaining about Fox News making horrible misleading graphs... possibly even with demonstrably false information

    http://i49.tinypic.com/30lcaph.jpg

    posted on MSNBC's timeline today

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    Yes, every ditch-digger I know makes $60k

    What is that guy even supposed to be doing

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Mattocking the shit out of somethin'

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    He's being blue collar, Quoth

    Gosh

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I can't even tell what exactly that graph is trying to communicate.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    That ditch diggers tax rate would not be 29% even if he were making 100k.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    From that header, I'm not even convinced that's what the graph is trying to communicate. It's just so poorly worded. The whole thing is like an information void where you can just plug in whatever you already believe and assume the graph supports you.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    he dug his way into a deeper tax bracket, obviously

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Or maybe it's literally advocating a cage match between Romney's tax plan and a worker that earns $60k a year. That could be entertaining. Especially if that worker actually gets a pickaxe.

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    I bet Romney can wrassle pretty good, after the first trip I guarantee that dog didn't get back in the cage voluntarily

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    A single worker earning $60k a year would apparently be in the 25% bracket, but would have an effective tax rate of 18.38% if all the income was taxable (unlikely)

    http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-finance/taxes/whats-your-average-tax-rate-9548/

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Artreus wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    I didn't realize until very recently that Kelly was from the onion. I had always thought they were real.

    Wait what. Holy shit.

    Is this you just now finding this out or being amazed that he only just now figured it out

    I just don't go to the onion that often, so I only see them when they're posted here or in d&d. Most real political cartoons are just as ridiculous so I had no idea that these weren't.

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    MSNBC is shit

    i like al-jazeera and the bbc because while they have their own distinct problems, they're not as tied to US interests

    al-jazeera only really slops on the emir of qatar's dong, and BBC is just sort of a british policy apologist

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I doubt it's the tax rate Romney's really worried about.

    I'll venture a guess and say he donated some money to more left leaning organizations back when he was in Massachusetts.

    Like, if he gave some money to a pro choice charity. Oh boy, those crazy southern folks would be angry

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Quoth wrote: »
    A single worker earning $60k a year would apparently be in the 25% bracket, but would have an effective tax rate of 18.38% if all the income was taxable (unlikely)

    http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-finance/taxes/whats-your-average-tax-rate-9548/

    correct, realistically it would end up being much closer to 15, or even lower than that if they had any kind of common deductions to take


    They took Romney's effective tax rate, and graphed it next to what I can only assume is a (marginal tax rate + some other crap)

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    Druhim wrote: »
    I can't even tell what exactly that graph is trying to communicate.

    It is trying to communicate the thing that people have been saying about Romney. The idea that he is super rich and barely paying any taxes, while somebody who is not making much money at all (I would kill a man for a $60k a year job right now but that is beside the point) is getting taxed more.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    That graph doesn't seem misleading as much as it is just incredibly bad

    the graphics, the labels, it's all really poor to the point of being useless

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    I got it. super rich mitt romney pays 14% income tax, not super rich worker pays 29%. what is so mysterious about that

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    I got it. super rich mitt romney pays 14% income tax, not super rich worker pays 29%. what is so mysterious about that

    not super rich worker does not, in reality, pay 29%

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    I know incomes are variable based upon where you live and the cost of living but... in Florida a $60k job is very much a mid-to-upper level white collar position in a desirable field. Most labor jobs cap at at $30k.

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
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    american media sucks at visual aids

    also fox is the worst

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    incredibly well-remunerated ditch digger aside, y'all are forgetting that someone earning $60k/annum is probably paying payroll taxes out of his butthole as well

    a net effective tax rate of 29.9% is not unthinkable

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
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    thanks, obama

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