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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    seriously

    you make a franchise that has probably 120 hours of content and you wrap it up with 5 minutes of deus ex machina

    how can they not be fired

    how is that possible in a just world

    You know the part about a just world?

    Yeah


    Yeah

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in English and write?

    You already know the answer to the question is 'write'. Are you already writing every day? If not, are you sure you really want to be a writer?

    no I'm definitely not sure. But I'm not sure about any hobby or career. I'm just sure I don't want to be resigned to working for the state for the rest of my life.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    @spool32

    Maybe? Huh? You wanna?

    JOIN US

    spoolpinkhair.jpg

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    I mean, I have no real objectives or anything. Just got a story idea that I intend to pursue after work, but was wondering if maybe there's something beyond that, since like I said as a teenager it used to be a thing I thought I would actually do. Before I got into web development. I'd like to try my hand at journalism, but really I'd love to write fiction.

    Then do it.

    The main thing, the ultimate main thing over and above all other things that divide writers from not-writers, is that one of them has a story idea and one of them has a story on paper.

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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    It depends on which territories we're talking about. Okinotorishima is purely an EEZ issue.

    I read this and started wondering wtf part of Mass Effect you're talking about.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    TTODewback wrote: »
    Aren't Korean games really just war simulators to see who will finally rule over the peninsula?
    Hint: It's the Chinese


    have you seen that lol map of China's claims to the south China sea? It's incredible. It's just all China. All of it. Even the bits of it in other countries, that's China too.

    It's hard to take any Chinese territorial claim seriously when they seem to be operating under the principle that the planet is China, the rest of us just don't know it yet.

    This is actually a bit of an oversimplification of the South China Sea disputes and the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute.

    The South China Sea dispute has to be broken down into the Philippines dispute and the Vietnamese dispute.

    The Philippines is mostly around the continental self since the islands are so tiny they are mostly rocks. This one is seems like a land grab but is also tied to tons of Chinese energy imports flow through this part of the world.

    The Vietnamese dispute is actually based on an agreement between Mao and Ho Chi Min in the 1960s where they drew arbitrary dashes giving Vietnam territory it probably wouldn't of controlled otherwise. This was discovered to contain a good amount of hydrocarbons recently. China pushed for joint exploitation but Vietnam did unilateral exploitation then fucked up its loans and now there isn't much but platforms not producing. China really just wants the rights to tap the oil but is also in the mood to push its neighbors around.

    Senkaku/Diaoyu was taken by Japan in the 1895 war with China. It was considered conquered Chinese territory and the US took ownership after WWII. In the lat 1960s a UN geological survey found oil deposits. The US gave the Island back to Japan instead of China in the 1970s. Pissed off China but it was put to the side by Deng Xiaopeng. Has come up recently as the oil deposits can now be tapped and there is an estimated 95-100 billion barrels of oil there. On top of the CCP has built a lot of legitimacy in the last 20 years off anti-Japanese rhetoric and claims on protecting and retaking Chinese land.

    Wow this got to huge post size fast.

    While Casual did oversimplify, he wasn't really wrong.

    Yes and no.

    China doesn't see itself as the planet. It still has a very sino-centric view. But so have a very American-centric view.

    And though it is partially a land grab. It is a land grab following legal precedents they have signed. And very much tied to China's need for domestic energy production since they import so much from the gulf the US could cut it off with a few ships in the Malacca Strait.

    The map is funny but again China is using what it considers traditional claims. This will probably end up in bilateral negotiations and if the Philippines and Vietnam were smart they would force to the Court from the Convention on the Law of the Sea. Of course that would piss China off but they signed the treaty too.

    Hastily justified land grabs are still land grabs, Mazzy. I understand the nuances of the positions, but that doesn't really change the bare bones facts on the ground. China thinks it's justified, well. Okay. Lots of Americans think the Indian Removal Act was justified, too.

    You see what I'm saying?

    I am not defending China.

    I am describing a situation which is complex that includes a lot of domestic issues, Chinese nationalism and lots of external countries and treaties like UNCLOS and are more than just straight land grabs and have a lot of consequences for a major economic region.

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    I mean, I have no real objectives or anything. Just got a story idea that I intend to pursue after work, but was wondering if maybe there's something beyond that, since like I said as a teenager it used to be a thing I thought I would actually do. Before I got into web development. I'd like to try my hand at journalism, but really I'd love to write fiction.

    When 21-year-old Kevin Smith decided he wanted to be a filmmaker, his sister gave him some advice: "Don't say you want to be a filmmaker; just be one."

    Just put pen to paper, fingers to keyboard, or pick up a typewriter, and write. Hammer out ideas. Don't worry about structure or anything. Just get lots of practice actually writing.

    And hey, if kevin tries real hard maybe one day he'll finally make a film!

    heyooo.

    but seriously. I love Kevin Smith

    Actually, Mori, consider picking up his book, "Tough Shit". It's a quick read and is very inspiring.

    Plus you get to read like a whole chapter of smith dismantling Bruce Willis.

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    I'll do the writing for ME4. I've not played ME3, and my game crashed about halfway into ME2 so I don't know what happened in that.

    I'm sure I can come up with something.

    Mojo_Jojo on
    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.

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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    @spool32

    Maybe? Huh? You wanna?

    JOIN US

    spoolpinkhair.jpg

    That makes no sense at all, but I love it

    Bless your heart.
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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.

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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.

    FH9cb0f.jpg + C4bRm3E.jpg

    Writing by hand? What is this, the second millennium AD?

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    One thing English degrees won't do is teach you how to get your shit in print, unless you specifically take a class for that which is really just a waste of money.

    I'm telling you that the majority of people writing in "literary" journals get in there through networking, not necessarily on the strength of your work (it has to be good, but this isn't usually enough). So you can go to school, meet other writers, get published in the school journal or go to readings and do the same.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.
    FH9cb0f.jpg + C4bRm3E.jpg

    What are those things, old man?

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    I like Stephen King's book On Writing

    prolly you'd want to slot a few hours a day and just sit down and crank stuff out

    a nanowrimo type of deal

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

    Are there not people whose day job is writing?

    Or is this a personal dig?

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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.

    [ig]http://i.imgur.com/FH9cb0f.jpg[/img] + [ig]http://i.imgur.com/C4bRm3E.jpg[/img]

    Why not just start carving stone tablets?!

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

    Are there not people whose day job is writing?

    Or is this a personal dig?

    It's an averages thing. There are a lot of people that write, and very few people who get paid enough to do it alone.

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    GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    i actually hope the entire next mass effect is multiplayer

    forget all this role playing business

    i wouldnt be surprised if it is

    MP was so popular i'd be shocked if the next game still contains rpg elements and isn't just a 3rd person cover shooter broken up by story bits

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    TTODewback wrote: »
    Aren't Korean games really just war simulators to see who will finally rule over the peninsula?
    Hint: It's the Chinese


    have you seen that lol map of China's claims to the south China sea? It's incredible. It's just all China. All of it. Even the bits of it in other countries, that's China too.

    It's hard to take any Chinese territorial claim seriously when they seem to be operating under the principle that the planet is China, the rest of us just don't know it yet.

    This is actually a bit of an oversimplification of the South China Sea disputes and the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute.

    The South China Sea dispute has to be broken down into the Philippines dispute and the Vietnamese dispute.

    The Philippines is mostly around the continental self since the islands are so tiny they are mostly rocks. This one is seems like a land grab but is also tied to tons of Chinese energy imports flow through this part of the world.

    The Vietnamese dispute is actually based on an agreement between Mao and Ho Chi Min in the 1960s where they drew arbitrary dashes giving Vietnam territory it probably wouldn't of controlled otherwise. This was discovered to contain a good amount of hydrocarbons recently. China pushed for joint exploitation but Vietnam did unilateral exploitation then fucked up its loans and now there isn't much but platforms not producing. China really just wants the rights to tap the oil but is also in the mood to push its neighbors around.

    Senkaku/Diaoyu was taken by Japan in the 1895 war with China. It was considered conquered Chinese territory and the US took ownership after WWII. In the lat 1960s a UN geological survey found oil deposits. The US gave the Island back to Japan instead of China in the 1970s. Pissed off China but it was put to the side by Deng Xiaopeng. Has come up recently as the oil deposits can now be tapped and there is an estimated 95-100 billion barrels of oil there. On top of the CCP has built a lot of legitimacy in the last 20 years off anti-Japanese rhetoric and claims on protecting and retaking Chinese land.

    Wow this got to huge post size fast.

    I get that the Chinese feel like they have very compelling reasons for why everyone's base are belong to them, but its still fucking bullshit. Claiming sea hundreds of miles away from your mainland, right up to the coastline of every other nation in the region is bullshit. I don't even mean the senkaku thing that could go either way, but claiming all Vietnam and the Philippines territorial waters is objectively indefenceable.


    It would be the same as the UK looking at Norway and saying "well, our military is bigger than theirs and they have lots of oil, fuck it their sea belongs to us now".

    The U.K. didn't do it to Norway. They did it to Iceland.

    Not really. There's fuck all oil between Iceland and the UK. Also we didn't invade them or threaten to invade them or start sending our navy to sail in threatening circles around Iceland.

    It wasn't about Oil. It was about fish. And the Royal Navy did start escorting fishing vessels and warning off Icelandic vessels. And in two cases ramming Icelandic Coast Guard ships. The whole thing finally ends when Iceland threatens to shut down the naval base at Keflavík. At which point the U.K. was told by the U.S. to knock that shit off.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

    Are there not people whose day job is writing?

    Or is this a personal dig?

    I think Elendil just decided someone has to be the mom in this conversation.

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    @spool32

    Maybe? Huh? You wanna?

    JOIN US

    spoolpinkhair.jpg

    I have never changed my avatar in the entire time I've been here, and I don't intend to-

    DAMNIT NOOOOO

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2013
    Elendil wrote: »
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

    Are there not people whose day job is writing?

    Or is this a personal dig?

    It really depends on what kind of writing you're doing.

    No one in the world of Poetry can make a living off the stuff. No one.

    This is pretty much true unless you're a NYT best seller and come out with a book every year or get really lucky with like a kid's book.

    But plenty of people make their living as journalists and technical writers (but this isn't really what you're talking about).

    Vanguard on
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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.
    FH9cb0f.jpg + C4bRm3E.jpg

    What are those things, old man?

    Says the man who has "Pocket Full of Kryptonite" on cassette.

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

    i beat the system lol

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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    you are not going to be able to quit your day job by becoming a writer

    Are there not people whose day job is writing?

    Or is this a personal dig?

    It really depends on what kind of writing you're doing.

    No one in the world of Poetry can make a living off the stuff. No one.

    This is pretty much true unless you're a NYT best seller and come out with a book every year or get really lucky with like a kid's book.
    However, when you die..
    Somehow your poetry sells by the millions.

    Bless your heart.
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.
    FH9cb0f.jpg + C4bRm3E.jpg

    What are those things, old man?

    Says the man who has "Pocket Full of Kryptonite" on cassette.

    You may not know how close to the mark you struck.

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    cass i am a good writer tell me how to get jorbs

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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Somebody should Minaj Libery and Justice for me. I don't have photoshop.

    Hell, the Eagle could use some nice new hair, too.

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    HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    So much pink.... so much......

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    One thing English degrees won't do is teach you how to get your shit in print, unless you specifically take a class for that which is really just a waste of money.

    I'm telling you that the majority of people writing in "literary" journals get in there through networking, not necessarily on the strength of your work (it has to be good, but this isn't usually enough). So you can go to school, meet other writers, get published in the school journal or go to readings and do the same.

    I like that there is an alternate route now, though

    there is no barrier to entry to starting a blog

    and if it's good and interesting, there are book deals or advertising as ways to make money from your writing

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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.
    FH9cb0f.jpg + C4bRm3E.jpg

    What are those things, old man?

    Says the man who has "Pocket Full of Kryptonite" on cassette.

    You may not know how close to the mark you struck.

    Im sure it was close.

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    cass i am a good writer tell me how to get jorbs

    oh my god you asked just as i sent prof mori a big ass pm god i hate you im not retyping all that shit i need a lolly a bloobloo

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    TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    So if I wanted to be a writer, hypothetically (because other than a strong interest during my childhood and adolescence, I haven't shown any evidence that I would be succesful), what would I do? Just go to school for an Bachelors in Engish and write?

    You start typing on your keyboard.

    Fuck that.
    FH9cb0f.jpg + C4bRm3E.jpg

    What are those things, old man?

    Says the man who has "Pocket Full of Kryptonite" on cassette.

    It always bothered me that they called the album that when the song was called Jimmy Olsen's Blues, which is a much better title.

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    One thing English degrees won't do is teach you how to get your shit in print, unless you specifically take a class for that which is really just a waste of money.

    I'm telling you that the majority of people writing in "literary" journals get in there through networking, not necessarily on the strength of your work (it has to be good, but this isn't usually enough). So you can go to school, meet other writers, get published in the school journal or go to readings and do the same.

    I like that there is an alternate route now, though

    there is no barrier to entry to starting a blog

    and if it's good and interesting, there are book deals or advertising as ways to make money from your writing

    Blogs are really basically a sophisticated message board system

    The topic at hand is your story, poem, essay etc. . .

    very few people read individual blogs, but today's zine is a blog

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    p
    TTODewback wrote: »
    Aren't Korean games really just war simulators to see who will finally rule over the peninsula?
    Hint: It's the Chinese


    have you seen that lol map of China's claims to the south China sea? It's incredible. It's just all China. All of it. Even the bits of it in other countries, that's China too.

    It's hard to take any Chinese territorial claim seriously when they seem to be operating under the principle that the planet is China, the rest of us just don't know it yet.

    This is actually a bit of an oversimplification of the South China Sea disputes and the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute.

    The South China Sea dispute has to be broken down into the Philippines dispute and the Vietnamese dispute.

    The Philippines is mostly around the continental self since the islands are so tiny they are mostly rocks. This one is seems like a land grab but is also tied to tons of Chinese energy imports flow through this part of the world.

    The Vietnamese dispute is actually based on an agreement between Mao and Ho Chi Min in the 1960s where they drew arbitrary dashes giving Vietnam territory it probably wouldn't of controlled otherwise. This was discovered to contain a good amount of hydrocarbons recently. China pushed for joint exploitation but Vietnam did unilateral exploitation then fucked up its loans and now there isn't much but platforms not producing. China really just wants the rights to tap the oil but is also in the mood to push its neighbors around.

    Senkaku/Diaoyu was taken by Japan in the 1895 war with China. It was considered conquered Chinese territory and the US took ownership after WWII. In the lat 1960s a UN geological survey found oil deposits. The US gave the Island back to Japan instead of China in the 1970s. Pissed off China but it was put to the side by Deng Xiaopeng. Has come up recently as the oil deposits can now be tapped and there is an estimated 95-100 billion barrels of oil there. On top of the CCP has built a lot of legitimacy in the last 20 years off anti-Japanese rhetoric and claims on protecting and retaking Chinese land.

    Wow this got to huge post size fast.

    I get that the Chinese feel like they have very compelling reasons for why everyone's base are belong to them, but its still fucking bullshit. Claiming sea hundreds of miles away from your mainland, right up to the coastline of every other nation in the region is bullshit. I don't even mean the senkaku thing that could go either way, but claiming all Vietnam and the Philippines territorial waters is objectively indefenceable.


    It would be the same as the UK looking at Norway and saying "well, our military is bigger than theirs and they have lots of oil, fuck it their sea belongs to us now".

    The U.K. didn't do it to Norway. They did it to Iceland.

    Not really. There's fuck all oil between Iceland and the UK. Also we didn't invade them or threaten to invade them or start sending our navy to sail in threatening circles around Iceland.

    Yeah but you did do the whole "hundreds of miles away from you right up to the coastline of somebody else" thing there.

    EDIT: also you DID send your navy

    Source for the navy part? Not saying you're wrong just I never heard of it.


    Also I'm looking at the UK licence holdings right now (I work for a north sea operator) and the UK area between Iceland ends well short of the pharoe islands. In other words almost exactly half way between Iceland and the UK. Not "right up to their coastline".

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    cass i am a good writer tell me how to get jorbs

    oh my god you asked just as i sent prof mori a big ass pm god i hate you im not retyping all that shit i need a lolly a bloobloo

    just add me to the conversation

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Vanguard wrote: »
    cass i am a good writer tell me how to get jorbs

    oh my god you asked just as i sent prof mori a big ass pm god i hate you im not retyping all that shit i need a lolly a bloobloo

    you should be able to add him to the conversation. Or, you know, copy and paste.

    Tamin on
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