seriously why are we pretending that at-will employment means that protections aren't offered against people who are discriminated against based on sex, color, religion, disability now
Because that's functionally the situation.
Just don't create a firing pattern and you are fucking golden.
seriously why are we pretending that at-will employment means that protections aren't offered against people who are discriminated against based on sex, color, religion, disability now
because it isn't actually about protected classes, it is about an objection to discretionary conditions, of which those protected classes happen to be good examples (but unfortunately so good that they are usually already banned*) :rotate:
So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
I would be angry, but yes.
God. You'd be wrong.
You'd have liberals supporting you if this happened.
well he'd be stupid to because current employment laws protect people in both of those cases
even if you're in Texas or New York
So you don't fire them for being Christian, you fire them for No Cause
this isn't exactly a secret stratagem in At Will states
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
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seriously why are we pretending that at-will employment means that protections aren't offered against people who are discriminated against based on sex, color, religion, disability now
Well spool seems to be arguing that they shouldn't be...
so...
Since he literally said "that's not the time government needs to step in" when it comes to firing people over political beliefs...
So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
I would be angry, but yes.
God. You'd be wrong.
You'd have liberals supporting you if this happened.
well he'd be stupid to because current employment laws protect people in both of those cases
even if you're in Texas or New York
So you don't fire them for being Christian, you fire them for No Cause
this isn't exactly a secret stratagem in At Will states
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
and then you lose because you're in an At Will state, the employer had no obligation to document cause for termination, stuck to the common widespread wisdom of "don't write down why you're firing the queer" so you couldn't turn up anything in discovery, and the employer was well within his At Will rights to shitcan you for "I flipped a coin and it came up tails so I fired him. Prove me wrong"
"You'll just sue and win!" is so incredibly naive it defies belief
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I love that my company is headquartered in Massachusetts and hires mostly engineers with graduate degrees. Our conservative owner-CEO could fire people for political beliefs... if he wanted to kneecap his own company instantly and go out of business.
Instead he instituted a policy where we fire people who smoke
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Hmm. I think sitting on that bus bench for so long before and after my interview gave me a slight sunburn.
Curse you, Scotland, weakening my Floridaborn skin.
So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
I would be angry, but yes.
God. You'd be wrong.
You'd have liberals supporting you if this happened.
well he'd be stupid to because current employment laws protect people in both of those cases
even if you're in Texas or New York
So you don't fire them for being Christian, you fire them for No Cause
this isn't exactly a secret stratagem in At Will states
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
and then you lose because you're in an At Will state, the employer had no obligation to document cause for termination, stuck to the common widespread wisdom of "don't write down why you're firing the queer" so you couldn't turn up anything in discovery, and the employer was well within his At Will rights to shitcan you for "I flipped a coin and it came up tails so I fired him. Prove me wrong"
"You'll just sue and win!" is so incredibly naive it defies belief
i didn't say you'd win
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So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
I would be angry, but yes.
God. You'd be wrong.
You'd have liberals supporting you if this happened.
well he'd be stupid to because current employment laws protect people in both of those cases
even if you're in Texas or New York
So you don't fire them for being Christian, you fire them for No Cause
this isn't exactly a secret stratagem in At Will states
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
and then you lose because you're in an At Will state, the employer had no obligation to document cause for termination, stuck to the common widespread wisdom of "don't write down why you're firing the queer" so you couldn't turn up anything in discovery, and the employer was well within his At Will rights to shitcan you for "I flipped a coin and it came up tails so I fired him. Prove me wrong"
"You'll just sue and win!" is so incredibly naive it defies belief
You'd have to have a pattern of firing people who all shared a protected trait, or just leave incriminating emails or racist sticky notes scattered around to be vulnerable to a lawsuit.
It's really hard to prove your were fired for an illegal reason even in not-at-will states.
In at will states the burden is on you to prove you were terminated illegally. Your only real chance in court is if the company cares enough about PR to settle to avoid a public lawsuit
So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
I would be angry, but yes.
God. You'd be wrong.
You'd have liberals supporting you if this happened.
well he'd be stupid to because current employment laws protect people in both of those cases
even if you're in Texas or New York
So you don't fire them for being Christian, you fire them for No Cause
this isn't exactly a secret stratagem in At Will states
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
and then you lose because you're in an At Will state, the employer had no obligation to document cause for termination, stuck to the common widespread wisdom of "don't write down why you're firing the queer" so you couldn't turn up anything in discovery, and the employer was well within his At Will rights to shitcan you for "I flipped a coin and it came up tails so I fired him. Prove me wrong"
"You'll just sue and win!" is so incredibly naive it defies belief
i didn't say you'd win
without the threat that you'd win (and there's zero threat unless the employer is too shit-stupid to live), there will be no settlement
you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd even take the case, because if you don't have your hands on some kind of written evidence, lawyers know you have no money (you are, after all, unemployed) and that they have no hope of a percentage of a settlement they have no leverage to obtain
I shall moan that objecting that protected-class enforcement is terrible, also doesn't seem like a terribly plausible motivation for the amount of objection to at-will employment out there
So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
I would be angry, but yes.
God. You'd be wrong.
You'd have liberals supporting you if this happened.
well he'd be stupid to because current employment laws protect people in both of those cases
even if you're in Texas or New York
So you don't fire them for being Christian, you fire them for No Cause
this isn't exactly a secret stratagem in At Will states
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
and then you lose because you're in an At Will state, the employer had no obligation to document cause for termination, stuck to the common widespread wisdom of "don't write down why you're firing the queer" so you couldn't turn up anything in discovery, and the employer was well within his At Will rights to shitcan you for "I flipped a coin and it came up tails so I fired him. Prove me wrong"
"You'll just sue and win!" is so incredibly naive it defies belief
i didn't say you'd win
without the threat that you'd win (and there's zero threat unless the employer is too shit-stupid to live), there will be no settlement
you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd even take the case, because if you don't have your hands on some kind of written evidence, lawyers know you have no money (you are, after all, unemployed) and that they have no hope of a percentage of a settlement they have no leverage to obtain
You'd have to have a pattern of firing people who all shared a protected trait, or just leave incriminating emails or racist sticky notes scattered around to be vulnerable to a lawsuit.
It's really hard to prove your were fired for an illegal reason even in not-at-will states.
yeah to be clear it's really easy to create a thin veil of justification even in Not-at-will states
but the abuses become even easier and even more incentivized in At Will states
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I mostly just don't think employers should have that much power over their workers. Small business owners are not gods among men. Them getting pissed off at me should not be all the reason they need to fire me if I am good at my job and not harming the company.
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Isn't it Sony who announced basically "no more used games"
Im trying to find an excuse for not being excited at all at the latest console release
I guess I just dont really see the point of consoles anymore
I feel like a dedicated, proprietary gaming platform is a relic we should let die
No, no one announced an anti used games platform.
That doesn't mean it's not happening, since it would be moronic to announce. We'll just have to see who is bold enough to try it. My money is on the Japanese company though.
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So spool, you'd be okay with someone firing your wife because they found out she has fibromyalgia and don't think it's real, or firing your son because they found out that you (not him, but you) are a Christian?
You do realize that if an employer doesn't like one of his or her employees for some reason, valid or invalid, that they can and will figure out a way to get them fired while following union rules to the letter?
I can remember one such firing at my union job. The actual incident that got him fired was so trivial that no one else would have gotten in trouble for it: Management had passed out to every employee one of those toy screaming monkey things (why they thought this was a good idea in the first place I cannot guess). This particular employee took his monkey and pinned it to his cubicle wall, one thumbtack in each of the monkey's wrists, which could appear as a crucifix if you were looking for a reason to be offended. The next day the employee was fired for breach of company policy. Everyone knew the real reason he was fired was because management didn't like him.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
In at will states the burden is on you to prove you were terminated illegally. Your only real chance in court is if the company cares enough about PR to settle to avoid a public lawsuit
Not only is the burden on you, but the case will likely never go to court since there has literally been no functioning NLRB for the past two years (republicans filibustering appointments till the end of tiiime), and there are a whole lot of legal loopholes employers can use to block or infinitely delay arbitration should you be lucky enough to have grievance procedures. And any financial remedy to you has any money you've made in the intervening time period deducted from the settlement
so
good luck lol
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and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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If the new generation of consoles really does make it so you can't play used games that'll basically be the end of my video game hobby. Or at least, it will be once my 360 dies.
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Because that's functionally the situation.
Just don't create a firing pattern and you are fucking golden.
because it isn't actually about protected classes, it is about an objection to discretionary conditions, of which those protected classes happen to be good examples (but unfortunately so good that they are usually already banned*) :rotate:
GAAAAAAAAAAY
then you threaten to sue? you get them to settle before litigation or you take them to court and you fight that shit?
Well spool seems to be arguing that they shouldn't be...
so...
Since he literally said "that's not the time government needs to step in" when it comes to firing people over political beliefs...
z?
:zzz: ?
actually i should go to bed now...
and then you lose because you're in an At Will state, the employer had no obligation to document cause for termination, stuck to the common widespread wisdom of "don't write down why you're firing the queer" so you couldn't turn up anything in discovery, and the employer was well within his At Will rights to shitcan you for "I flipped a coin and it came up tails so I fired him. Prove me wrong"
"You'll just sue and win!" is so incredibly naive it defies belief
Instead he instituted a policy where we fire people who smoke
Curse you, Scotland, weakening my Floridaborn skin.
i didn't say you'd win
:rotate:
It's really hard to prove your were fired for an illegal reason even in not-at-will states.
anyways official PS4 specs right form the horses mouth
Im trying to find an excuse for not being excited at all at the latest console release
I guess I just dont really see the point of consoles anymore
I feel like a dedicated, proprietary gaming platform is a relic we should let die
without the threat that you'd win (and there's zero threat unless the employer is too shit-stupid to live), there will be no settlement
you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd even take the case, because if you don't have your hands on some kind of written evidence, lawyers know you have no money (you are, after all, unemployed) and that they have no hope of a percentage of a settlement they have no leverage to obtain
yeah to be clear it's really easy to create a thin veil of justification even in Not-at-will states
but the abuses become even easier and even more incentivized in At Will states
No, no one announced an anti used games platform.
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That doesn't mean it's not happening, since it would be moronic to announce. We'll just have to see who is bold enough to try it. My money is on the Japanese company though.
And not tipped like you don't tip at Starbucks.
Tipped like we do it here in pigfuckistan.
You do realize that if an employer doesn't like one of his or her employees for some reason, valid or invalid, that they can and will figure out a way to get them fired while following union rules to the letter?
I can remember one such firing at my union job. The actual incident that got him fired was so trivial that no one else would have gotten in trouble for it: Management had passed out to every employee one of those toy screaming monkey things (why they thought this was a good idea in the first place I cannot guess). This particular employee took his monkey and pinned it to his cubicle wall, one thumbtack in each of the monkey's wrists, which could appear as a crucifix if you were looking for a reason to be offended. The next day the employee was fired for breach of company policy. Everyone knew the real reason he was fired was because management didn't like him.
??????
But like I said, this is just me finding an excuse
*Catastrophic Toilet Paper Integrity Failure is my bands name in case anyone forgot.
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Not only is the burden on you, but the case will likely never go to court since there has literally been no functioning NLRB for the past two years (republicans filibustering appointments till the end of tiiime), and there are a whole lot of legal loopholes employers can use to block or infinitely delay arbitration should you be lucky enough to have grievance procedures. And any financial remedy to you has any money you've made in the intervening time period deducted from the settlement
so
good luck lol
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
And that is going to be my band's name when I have one.
We do get Steam sales though.
Just be like me and be so hopelessly behind the curve of new video games that everything you're ready to play is on sale.