I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
i agree, it's a shame because there are actually areas where mens rights need to be adressed, child custody in the UK is fucked for example, there is a blanket policy of giving kids to the mother regardless of whether she is the most suitable guardian or not
paternity leave is also a problem
but yeah, mens rights as it stands is just lala land
So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
Well, assuming the woman in question lied to you, you technically did not consent to the sex as it occurred. So I can see the round about logic for it.
Which is why one wears a rubber regardless of what the girl says. Also because of STDs.
Also, you accept the fact that even birth control is not 100% effective, and that any sex may result in pregnancy, as is fairly common knowledge.
I will just say that lying about being on birth control makes you a shitty human being.
that is more or less the crux of it
unless we get into a few certain extreme situations lying to somoene to get them in the sack makes you a sleazebag not a rapist
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
What the actual fuck.
Apparently if a woman says she's on birth control and this guy proceeds with the live making, criminal charges of rape should be filed.
At least in the mind of these sick fucks.
Others suggest fraud. Defrauding the vag?
Yeah, that place is just full of geniuses.
I liked the part where you went from "these guys are misguided and it's pretty funny" to "these guys are sick fucks"
No, I find them hilaribad, like an extreme villain in a SyFy original or a bad guy made by Rob Liefeld that has like super invulnerability and a dog that eats force fields.
They are sick fucks, but I can't help but laugh at them.
So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
Well, assuming the woman in question lied to you, you technically did not consent to the sex as it occurred. So I can see the round about logic for it.
Which is why one wears a rubber regardless of what the girl says. Also because of STDs.
Also, you accept the fact that even birth control is not 100% effective, and that any sex may result in pregnancy, as is fairly common knowledge.
I will just say that lying about being on birth control makes you a shitty human being.
that is more or less the crux of it
unless we get into a few certain extreme situations lying to somoene to get them in the sack makes you a sleazebag not a rapist
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
I think it'd be easy to infer from that that a woman lying about birth control also qualifies as assault, at least in Canada.
it's a tricky one
if you're tampering with condoms that means you've given the impression that you're having safe sex when actually you could be giving someone an STD
if a girl tells you shes on the pill and she isn't you should already have accepted that you're running the risk of pregnancy because the pills aren't 100% effective, and you should already know the pill does jack to protect you from STD's so if you get one that's on you
so for me the condom tampering is more about the possibility of STD infection which in many places knowingly giving someone an STD is assault
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I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
I think that lying about being on birth control or tampering with birth control would be commonly recognized as a crime if it was easier to prove these things occurred, and that the pregnancies weren't just flukes.
But doing this to a woman would also inevitably be seen as worse than doing this to a man, barring the presence of STDs, because a forced pregnancy is a more apparent physical violation than anything a man would experience from a woman knocking herself up with his sperm.
I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
in some cases they do
look up "fathers for justice" in the UK
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
Well, assuming the woman in question lied to you, you technically did not consent to the sex as it occurred. So I can see the round about logic for it.
Which is why one wears a rubber regardless of what the girl says. Also because of STDs.
Also, you accept the fact that even birth control is not 100% effective, and that any sex may result in pregnancy, as is fairly common knowledge.
I will just say that lying about being on birth control makes you a shitty human being.
that is more or less the crux of it
unless we get into a few certain extreme situations lying to somoene to get them in the sack makes you a sleazebag not a rapist
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
I think it'd be easy to infer from that that a woman lying about birth control also qualifies as assault, at least in Canada.
it's a tricky one
if you're tampering with condoms that means you've given the impression that you're having safe sex when actually you could be giving someone an STD
if a girl tells you shes on the pill and she isn't you should already have accepted that you're running the risk of pregnancy because the pills aren't 100% effective, and you should already know the pill does jack to protect you from STD's so if you get one that's on you
so for me the condom tampering is more about the possibility of STD infection which in many places knowingly giving someone an STD is assault
But if the guy doesn't have any STDs, and he knows this, then the two acts are equivalent.
I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
in some cases they do
look up "fathers for jusitce" in the UK
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Right, but I think the argument would be made that the amount of media coverage this has received speaks to my point about their voices not being heard.
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So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
Well, assuming the woman in question lied to you, you technically did not consent to the sex as it occurred. So I can see the round about logic for it.
Which is why one wears a rubber regardless of what the girl says. Also because of STDs.
Also, you accept the fact that even birth control is not 100% effective, and that any sex may result in pregnancy, as is fairly common knowledge.
I will just say that lying about being on birth control makes you a shitty human being.
that is more or less the crux of it
unless we get into a few certain extreme situations lying to somoene to get them in the sack makes you a sleazebag not a rapist
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
I think it'd be easy to infer from that that a woman lying about birth control also qualifies as assault, at least in Canada.
it's a tricky one
if you're tampering with condoms that means you've given the impression that you're having safe sex when actually you could be giving someone an STD
if a girl tells you shes on the pill and she isn't you should already have accepted that you're running the risk of pregnancy because the pills aren't 100% effective, and you should already know the pill does jack to protect you from STD's so if you get one that's on you
so for me the condom tampering is more about the possibility of STD infection which in many places knowingly giving someone an STD is assault
But if the guy doesn't have any STDs, and he knows this, then the two acts are equivalent.
but the woman (or man on the recieving end) doesn't know that, and they do have a right to give conditional consent
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now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Anyone making this argument is a total moron though.
The monolithic grouping of "men" is just as stupid as that of "women".
I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
in some cases they do
look up "fathers for jusitce" in the UK
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Right, but I think the argument would be made that the amount of media coverage this has received speaks to my point about their voices not being heard.
Erm
the dude literally had to climb onto the roof of buckingham palace and chain himself there to get his voice heard
before that, no fucker was interested
they have not had their voices heard simply by virtute of male privilage
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Anyone making this argument is a total moron though.
The monolithic grouping of "men" is just as stupid as that of "women".
So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
Well, assuming the woman in question lied to you, you technically did not consent to the sex as it occurred. So I can see the round about logic for it.
Which is why one wears a rubber regardless of what the girl says. Also because of STDs.
Also, you accept the fact that even birth control is not 100% effective, and that any sex may result in pregnancy, as is fairly common knowledge.
I will just say that lying about being on birth control makes you a shitty human being.
that is more or less the crux of it
unless we get into a few certain extreme situations lying to somoene to get them in the sack makes you a sleazebag not a rapist
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
I think it'd be easy to infer from that that a woman lying about birth control also qualifies as assault, at least in Canada.
it's a tricky one
if you're tampering with condoms that means you've given the impression that you're having safe sex when actually you could be giving someone an STD
if a girl tells you shes on the pill and she isn't you should already have accepted that you're running the risk of pregnancy because the pills aren't 100% effective, and you should already know the pill does jack to protect you from STD's so if you get one that's on you
so for me the condom tampering is more about the possibility of STD infection which in many places knowingly giving someone an STD is assault
But if the guy doesn't have any STDs, and he knows this, then the two acts are equivalent.
but the woman (or man on the recieving end) doesn't know that, and they do have a right to give conditional consent
But the man who thinks the woman is on the pill when she isn't is also giving conditional consent.
If there is an actual STD present, then I can see how tampering with condoms would be considered worse than throwing out your pills, but if it's about consent then the two are equivalent in my eyes.
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Anyone making this argument is a total moron though.
The monolithic grouping of "men" is just as stupid as that of "women".
<- just made this argument
awwwwkward.....
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playing a game Omerta where you're making deals selling/buying liquor, beer, and guns
made 2 deals with a rabbi and each time he refused to pay the agreed price. no other character has done that.
I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
in some cases they do
look up "fathers for jusitce" in the UK
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Right, but I think the argument would be made that the amount of media coverage this has received speaks to my point about their voices not being heard.
Erm
the dude literally had to climb onto the roof of buckingham palace and chain himself there to get his voice heard
before that, no fucker was interested
they have not had their voices heard simply by virtute of male privilage
Okay, but but I think if you compare the hoops that other groups have had to jump through to get their issue talked about, this guy probably hasn't faced as much adversity as other groups. Again, not saying it's legitimate and it's all come easy, but just because he had to do something drastic doesn't rule out privilege.
So I went on the Mens Rights Subreddit and saw this jewel of a post:
Is it considered rape if a woman lies about being on birth control?
Excuwhatthefuck?
That place is comedic gold.
Well, assuming the woman in question lied to you, you technically did not consent to the sex as it occurred. So I can see the round about logic for it.
Which is why one wears a rubber regardless of what the girl says. Also because of STDs.
Also, you accept the fact that even birth control is not 100% effective, and that any sex may result in pregnancy, as is fairly common knowledge.
I will just say that lying about being on birth control makes you a shitty human being.
that is more or less the crux of it
unless we get into a few certain extreme situations lying to somoene to get them in the sack makes you a sleazebag not a rapist
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
I think it'd be easy to infer from that that a woman lying about birth control also qualifies as assault, at least in Canada.
it's a tricky one
if you're tampering with condoms that means you've given the impression that you're having safe sex when actually you could be giving someone an STD
if a girl tells you shes on the pill and she isn't you should already have accepted that you're running the risk of pregnancy because the pills aren't 100% effective, and you should already know the pill does jack to protect you from STD's so if you get one that's on you
so for me the condom tampering is more about the possibility of STD infection which in many places knowingly giving someone an STD is assault
But if the guy doesn't have any STDs, and he knows this, then the two acts are equivalent.
but the woman (or man on the recieving end) doesn't know that, and they do have a right to give conditional consent
But the man who thinks the woman is on the pill when she isn't is also giving conditional consent.
If there is an actual STD present, then I can see how tampering with condoms would be considered worse than throwing out your pills, but if it's about consent then the two are equivalent in my eyes.
i'm wording this very poorly but in my view the risk of pregnancy and risk of STD's are two different things
when you have sex you always accept the risk of pregnancy, apart from getting the womans tubes tied, no BC is fool proof, so we've kind of accepted the principle that if you have sex no matter what pregnancy is a consequence you signed up for
STD's on the otherhand you mostly can't tell when a person has one, if a person cliams to be wearing a condom and really isn't that is assult, they've exposed you to a risk you didn't sign up for
I agree with men's rights in theory but not in practice.
I think all gender norms should be abolished, for men and for women.
Men's rights in practice is just thinly veiled sexism.
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
in some cases they do
look up "fathers for jusitce" in the UK
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
Right, but I think the argument would be made that the amount of media coverage this has received speaks to my point about their voices not being heard.
Erm
the dude literally had to climb onto the roof of buckingham palace and chain himself there to get his voice heard
before that, no fucker was interested
they have not had their voices heard simply by virtute of male privilage
Okay, but but I think if you compare the hoops that other groups have had to jump through to get their issue talked about, this guy probably hasn't faced as much adversity as other groups. Again, not saying it's legitimate and it's all come easy, but just because he had to do something drastic doesn't rule out privilege.
actually it kind of does
privilege implies the necessity for drastic action isn't there
clearly it was
it should also be noticed that drastic action didn't work, the law didn't change and the issue is largely gone from public consciousness
so his male privilege did exactly squat for him
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The converse is actually totally applicable and not at all moronic.
It's the stupid "guilt by association" accusation of "well, you shouldn't have made these laws to begin with, man" that's idiotic. Mysteriously, most people - male or female - do not get a say in the specifics of laws made regarding their 'gender rights'.
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This is finals week.
And by finals week, I mean we get a 1 day in class review of the entire semester.
God I hate summer semesters. Gotta do it otherwise I don't get the sweet GI Bill money.
when in reality its because they're baby crazy?
i agree, it's a shame because there are actually areas where mens rights need to be adressed, child custody in the UK is fucked for example, there is a blanket policy of giving kids to the mother regardless of whether she is the most suitable guardian or not
paternity leave is also a problem
but yeah, mens rights as it stands is just lala land
This dude was convicted of sexual assault for consensual sex with tampered condoms:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canada-court-consensual-sex-sex-assault-if-you-tamper-with-the-condom/
I think it'd be easy to infer from that that a woman lying about birth control also qualifies as assault, at least in Canada.
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No, I find them hilaribad, like an extreme villain in a SyFy original or a bad guy made by Rob Liefeld that has like super invulnerability and a dog that eats force fields.
They are sick fucks, but I can't help but laugh at them.
it's a tricky one
if you're tampering with condoms that means you've given the impression that you're having safe sex when actually you could be giving someone an STD
if a girl tells you shes on the pill and she isn't you should already have accepted that you're running the risk of pregnancy because the pills aren't 100% effective, and you should already know the pill does jack to protect you from STD's so if you get one that's on you
so for me the condom tampering is more about the possibility of STD infection which in many places knowingly giving someone an STD is assault
The thing is, this is a position you never have to take and associate with Men's Rights. You can just say, "I wish gender relations weren't skewed in any direction" without acting like men need civil rights activist to get their voices heard.
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But doing this to a woman would also inevitably be seen as worse than doing this to a man, barring the presence of STDs, because a forced pregnancy is a more apparent physical violation than anything a man would experience from a woman knocking herself up with his sperm.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
it's not "men can't raise children" it's "women should obviously raise children because they're women and that's what women do"
in some cases they do
look up "fathers for justice" in the UK
now yes, of course the argument can be made that men made the shitty laws regarding child custody because of their own patriarchical views, but that doesnt change the fact the law is still like that, it discriminates against men and it's proving hella difficult to change
But if the guy doesn't have any STDs, and he knows this, then the two acts are equivalent.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
i would be pretty pissed off if i was given even a minor STD intentionally
Right, but I think the argument would be made that the amount of media coverage this has received speaks to my point about their voices not being heard.
No doubt. Its a pretty high level of disrespect.
but the woman (or man on the recieving end) doesn't know that, and they do have a right to give conditional consent
The monolithic grouping of "men" is just as stupid as that of "women".
It's too bad there aren't any fun STDs that you might discover and consider a pleasant surprise.
"Oh boy, I contracted penile gigantism!"
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Erm
the dude literally had to climb onto the roof of buckingham palace and chain himself there to get his voice heard
before that, no fucker was interested
they have not had their voices heard simply by virtute of male privilage
"Sharing an STD with your boyfriend will create a bond between the both of you as you suffer that telltale burning sensation together."
point being i would consider it assualt
the law may not be with me on this though
i know knowingly infecting someone with AIDS is a crime but i dont know about herpes or the clap
But the man who thinks the woman is on the pill when she isn't is also giving conditional consent.
If there is an actual STD present, then I can see how tampering with condoms would be considered worse than throwing out your pills, but if it's about consent then the two are equivalent in my eyes.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
awwwwkward.....
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made 2 deals with a rabbi and each time he refused to pay the agreed price. no other character has done that.
Okay, but but I think if you compare the hoops that other groups have had to jump through to get their issue talked about, this guy probably hasn't faced as much adversity as other groups. Again, not saying it's legitimate and it's all come easy, but just because he had to do something drastic doesn't rule out privilege.
it's about enforcement of traditional gender roles, by men and women
which is kinda in feminism's wheelhouse
i'm wording this very poorly but in my view the risk of pregnancy and risk of STD's are two different things
when you have sex you always accept the risk of pregnancy, apart from getting the womans tubes tied, no BC is fool proof, so we've kind of accepted the principle that if you have sex no matter what pregnancy is a consequence you signed up for
STD's on the otherhand you mostly can't tell when a person has one, if a person cliams to be wearing a condom and really isn't that is assult, they've exposed you to a risk you didn't sign up for
interesting article about the etymology and usage of the term marijuana
Not out in the US for another month. I've seen it, and talked a bit about it. It's great.
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Wait, what?
Is this the steam game?
I thought it was an FPS.
Is it good?
actually it kind of does
privilege implies the necessity for drastic action isn't there
clearly it was
it should also be noticed that drastic action didn't work, the law didn't change and the issue is largely gone from public consciousness
so his male privilege did exactly squat for him
it was definitely a lot weirder than i was expecting. At the end I was glad that I knew NOTHING about it going in
not even the premise
definitely made things a lot better
It's the stupid "guilt by association" accusation of "well, you shouldn't have made these laws to begin with, man" that's idiotic. Mysteriously, most people - male or female - do not get a say in the specifics of laws made regarding their 'gender rights'.
brace yourself your some ozzie steriotypes