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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    code question!
    Write a program which reads a string using input(), and outputs the same string but with the first and last character exchanged. (You may assume the input string has length at least 2.) For example, on input Fairy a correct program will print yairF.

    skippy's code:
    word = str(input())
    
    newWord = word[len(word)-1] + word[1:len(word)-1] + word[0]
    
    print(newWord)
    

    how come it's word[1:len(word)-1] and not word[1:len(word)-2]
    index: 0 1 2 3
    char:  w o r d
    

    you can't use just len(word) because then you get 4 for the final character instead of 3

    I guess the range thing is not inclusive of the last index number specified?

    so S[0:4] will give you 0, 1, 2, and 3 but not 4?

    this is a question about how array indices are handed and it's language specific

    some start with 0 as the first index and some start with 1

    it seems like to me that word[1:len(word)-2] should be correct but possibly the language you're using uses a non-inclusive final index in a range? it seems squirrelly to me

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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
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    poo
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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Yesss suit chat

    I need to buy suit and tires for car this weekend

    My dollars :sweat:

    why does your car need a suit

    does it have a job interview

    Usually I am such an Oxford comma loyalist, too.

    Anyway, maybe my car just wants to look sharp and respectable. (It is a portly little GTI so it will need the right cut to flatter its figure.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_i1xk07o4g

    So that's what the first 35 seconds of a Vampire Weekend song sounds like

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    I mean I've seen a vendor at work that for some reason insists on wearing a shirt where his gut flap constantly hangs out. And I'm like if that were me I would get the extra tall shirts because that's kinda unappealing.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    TL DR wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    I had a professor today make a crack about how casinos are the white man's revenge for what was done to the Indian tribes. Smile, laugh.

    Some poor girl, and I don't mean this with snark or anything like that, really just kind of shut down and lost the ability to speak words or think clearly for a bit.

    was she confused at his meaning, or just awestruck that a professor would be cracking genocide jokes?

    The second.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Tav wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Like 'pig ignorant fruit pickers'

    There's no good way to take that when your mom was a fruit picker.

    It's fine, they were lower class so obviously worse people. They should have cared more about profits and social norms if they wanted to be remembered well. Maybe they coulda even pulled themselves up by their bootstraps!

    ugh

    my grandparents were in a lot of ways really dignified and admirable people

    but they were ignorant as sin

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    japan wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    I do all the addition at the end of our games of 7 Wonders. On the sheet.

    I don't insist on it. I just play with people too lazy to add.

    Also

    Nobody can ever remember how the science things work

    True dat.

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    TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    The optimum level of autonomy for an organization is a complex question and it hurtses us to see it reduced down to glib extreme stereotypes.

    I'm sorry this discussion has caused you unhappiness. Can I make a suggestion?
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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    code question!
    Write a program which reads a string using input(), and outputs the same string but with the first and last character exchanged. (You may assume the input string has length at least 2.) For example, on input Fairy a correct program will print yairF.

    skippy's code:
    word = str(input())
    
    newWord = word[len(word)-1] + word[1:len(word)-1] + word[0]
    
    print(newWord)
    

    how come it's word[1:len(word)-1] and not word[1:len(word)-2]
    index: 0 1 2 3
    char:  w o r d
    

    you can't use just len(word) because then you get 4 for the final character instead of 3

    I guess the range thing is not inclusive of the last index number specified?

    so S[0:4] will give you 0, 1, 2, and 3 but not 4?

    this is a question about how array indices are handed and it's language specific

    some start with 0 as the first index and some start with 1

    it seems like to me that word[1:len(word)-2] should be correct but possibly the language you're using uses a non-inclusive final index in a range? it seems squirrelly to me

    oh, okay

    *googles python index ranges*

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    CAN YOU BITCHES NOT READ??? MOTHERFUCKING LAVA!!

    NO ONE CARES WHAT SUIT YOU'RE WEARING WHEN YOUR FEET HAVE BURNED OFF TO THE ANKLES BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY JIBBY JABBERING ON THE INTERNET TO FORMULATE A PROPER EVACUATION PLAN

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    My grandfather on my dad's side did wear a suit every day.

    He sold them as well.

    His father was a tailor.

    So not so much blue collar as my mom's side.

    But I am on board with the difference in clothing is as much about availability and just fashion trends then some need to dress in a suit or suit like clothing.

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    oh yep, there it is

    To extract a substring in Python, we use the syntax

    S[firstIndex:tailIndex]

    to get the substring starting at index firstIndex and ending at tailIndex-1.

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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    btw skippy

    ur da bes maybe

    poo
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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    btw skippy

    ur da bes maybe

    what's all this

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    Damn it, forum ate my post

    Pre-fifties clothing looks like suiting because the materials and techniques to make anything else either didn't exist or weren't commonplace

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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    CAN YOU BITCHES NOT READ??? MOTHERFUCKING LAVA!!

    NO ONE CARES WHAT SUIT YOU'RE WEARING WHEN YOUR FEET HAVE BURNED OFF TO THE ANKLES BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY JIBBY JABBERING ON THE INTERNET TO FORMULATE A PROPER EVACUATION PLAN

    as half djinn half jawa born under the twin sons of tatooine with heirloom +5 brimstone firebrand karyt dragon pearl rings I have a natural immunity to lava

    Bless your heart.
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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    I'm not sure the premise of "the great failure of STEM to appeal to women everywhere" is not a fallacious one.

    This was so hedged that it took an extra few seconds to parse.

    I don't know, my career-engineer father and most of his co-workers that I've ever met tend to make a decent - granted anecdotal - case that the field is drastically hostile to women and minorities.

    Few things they seem to love as much as sitting around complaining about how unfair life is for the white men who have to deal with anything resembling affirmative action.

    well, sure, but there are also lots of women engineers and doctors and scientists

    not as many as there would be if the culture weren't so cro-magnon, i'll grant

    but I don't think a female host on a science program is the way we're going to solve that problem

    engineering is significantly more hostile than medicine

    Medicine is full of women, it just suffers from the broader societal issues quite visibly

    fuck gendered marketing
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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    I am currently not touching the floor.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    On the one hand it is nice to recline on this couch with dags sleeping around me. On the other I inevitably end up lying in a position that makes my balls hurt.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular

    Hmm

    Would chat disown me if I changed my avatar y/y

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    but looking at photographs of people at work at factories or poor people out on the town you don't really see a great deal of difference between the way poor people dressed and the way rich people dressed - it tended to be button-up shirts jackets, vests, hats, sometimes ties, etc. i mean clearly the rich people had finer, fancier clothes, but the actual structure of dress was real similar.

    at some point between the 20s and 60s this proletarian ethic that poor people should dress in solidarity with their social class sort of spread and created the views we have today.

    Sure.

    I'd argue it was WWII, basically.

    Cloth rationing provided a disincentive to wear things like vests and ties. Even items that weren't directly rationed (like hats) became more expensive. That's the point at which vests and ties became class signifiers.

    Meanwhile photos were filtering back in to the US of off-duty GIs in barracks sitting around in white t-shirts. I think that cemented a cultural stereotype of the rugged casual-wear American hero, which led to Marlon Brando and James Dean rocking the jeans-and-t-shirt look in movies.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    yyyyyyyyyyy

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    CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    I associate suits with two things.

    Funerals, which have been the majority of times I have ever worn one myself, and my father, because he wears them all the time to work and most social events.

    There is a lot of emotional baggage I associate with suits as a result that, while not preventing me from actively wearing them, does make me feel profoundly uncomfortable in them.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    japan wrote: »
    Damn it, forum ate my post

    Pre-fifties clothing looks like suiting because the materials and techniques to make anything else either didn't exist or weren't commonplace

    Meanwhile in the 21st century we've got moisture-wicking tees and white Jordans for days

    Edit: B)

    desc on
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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    What the

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    from that sample, Vampire Weekend seems like a band that I could be okay with if used properly in a movie or tv soundtrack, but not a thing I would listen to outside of that type of context

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    GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    CAN YOU BITCHES NOT READ??? MOTHERFUCKING LAVA!!

    NO ONE CARES WHAT SUIT YOU'RE WEARING WHEN YOUR FEET HAVE BURNED OFF TO THE ANKLES BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY JIBBY JABBERING ON THE INTERNET TO FORMULATE A PROPER EVACUATION PLAN

    you jump from the couch to the coffee table, obvs, then use the couch cushions as stepping stones until you get to a lava-free zone

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    Who's the first one in those pics? Scott Free?

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Wait now sunglasses are animated

    What is all this tomfoolery

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    CAN YOU BITCHES NOT READ??? MOTHERFUCKING LAVA!!

    NO ONE CARES WHAT SUIT YOU'RE WEARING WHEN YOUR FEET HAVE BURNED OFF TO THE ANKLES BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY JIBBY JABBERING ON THE INTERNET TO FORMULATE A PROPER EVACUATION PLAN

    you jump from the couch to the coffee table, obvs, then use the couch cushions as stepping stones until you get to a lava-free zone

    management material right here

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    CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    Never knock looking good for an interview or whatnot, but I'll always take going casual/business casual to wearing overly formal anything when I can.

    To that end I propose future clothes be a hybrid of present day clothes and Mass Effect clothes.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    MrMister wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    ooh ooh i know this one

    business C is composed of individuals who refuse to be stifled and feel like things should be done their way -- these design guidelines are terrible i'm just going to make my part the way that it should be done. this policy doesn't make sense to me; i'm just going to ignore it. my boss wants me to work on project A but honestly i am way better suited and more interested on project B so that is what i am going to do.

    I have to say, Will, a lot of what you're saying seems motivated by a hardcore hate boner for fucking disreputable hippies. It's like you're fighting a culture war out of time. Which is fine, I guess, I mean I'm still siding with the Communists, if we want to compare who's tilting at older windmills. But I grew up in what is by all lights about as hippy an environment as they come (the lovely Ojai, California, known for its moon cults). And despite its various excesses--let's not get into the state of the science education provided by people who sincerely believe in healing crystals--I think that in terms of its values it was great.

    I mean, here's an opposing anecdote. Recently I was playing 7 wonders with a bunch of people. Normally when we play we just add up our scores by ourselves at the end. But the dude who brought the game, this time, absolutely insisted that instead of doing that we all use the little score sheet that came with the game. It took about four times as long, and involved us all awkwardly sitting around reading out sub-portions of our score (7 points from red...) while he scribbled them down. It was So. Dumb. But he had to do it! Because--there was a sheet! That's what it was for. What--were we just going to not use the sheet?

    He had a similar fit when some people wanted to trade in their wonders for new ones they hadn't tried before. He was like: oh, well they're supposed to be random. It's only the rules.

    Yeah, well sometimes the rules are dumb, and we can think about what works for or against people instead.

    i mean i am not championing all rules for their own sake

    but i do think the modern american ethic of radical individualism is harmful. i'm not a communist but i do believe in communitarianism - we all exist in society and need to understand and be mindful of who we are from the perspectives of other people and our various society as a whole.

    we need to be a good son and a good brother and a good neighbor and a good colleague and a good citizen.

    and part of that means that we follow social rules that we didn't independently invent sometimes. we don't pick our noses at the table and we don't spit on the street and we take off our hats indoors and we say please and thank you and we shower at least once a week and we don't wear our larp gear to a funeral.

    and maybe it feels like i'm some kind of 1960s square revanchist, but i don't think that the continuing lessons of the hippie movement has really done our culture any favors

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Damn it, forum ate my post

    Pre-fifties clothing looks like suiting because the materials and techniques to make anything else either didn't exist or weren't commonplace

    Meanwhile in the 21st century we've got moisture-wicking tees and white Jordans for days

    Edit: B)

    What are you doing in me, Desc?

    How many people have you let in?

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Also I find the dress wear conversation in the US is very regionalized.

    The South West has a different style of work clothing compared to Southern Cali compared to Northern Cali compared to the Northeast and so on.

    Some of it is due to weather. If it is 75F and sunny 80% of the year it makes less sense to wear wool suits all the time but more casual and light clothing is more practical. While if it is cool and rainy a wool suit is more functional. Then you get a conservative dress culture verse more liberal dress culture and the influence of office politics and culture. A non-profit will be more relaxed compare to a government office or a wall street trader's office.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Delmain wrote: »
    I don't see why younger people should be the ones that have to change.

    Maybe the older generation should stop pussyfooting around and judge people on their merits for the work at hand rather than their ability to dress for an interview/work?

    lol

    the point is that you need to know how to engage the world on its own terms rather than demand the world engage you on your own terms.

    because, generally speaking, it won't.

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Chanus wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    I'm not sure the premise of "the great failure of STEM to appeal to women everywhere" is not a fallacious one.

    This was so hedged that it took an extra few seconds to parse.

    I don't know, my career-engineer father and most of his co-workers that I've ever met tend to make a decent - granted anecdotal - case that the field is drastically hostile to women and minorities.

    Few things they seem to love as much as sitting around complaining about how unfair life is for the white men who have to deal with anything resembling affirmative action.

    well, sure, but there are also lots of women engineers and doctors and scientists

    not as many as there would be if the culture weren't so cro-magnon, i'll grant

    but I don't think a female host on a science program is the way we're going to solve that problem

    Yeah I'll agree to that, but mainly because systemic racism and sexism do not seem amenable to being solved except with a bunch of small, not-individually-causal effects: the ripple effects of a lot of different and broadly visible role models who contravene stereotypes, the collective effects of a lot of people deciding they should See Something, Say Something in their daily lives.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Damn it, forum ate my post

    Pre-fifties clothing looks like suiting because the materials and techniques to make anything else either didn't exist or weren't commonplace

    Meanwhile in the 21st century we've got moisture-wicking tees and white Jordans for days

    Edit: B)

    What are you doing in me, Desc?

    How many people have you let in?

    The whole world

    Sorry but everyone's in

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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    @‌desc i post that thinking u might change avatar lol

    @skippydumptruck‌ this was in reply to your tree thing and how you are not a tree but a hog and yes ur advice

    poo
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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Will has scared me off properly of getting a suit. I am wearing a pair of my Savane slacks and an off the shelf claiborne button up to pax. I will get a tie. There are too many opinions on suits. Fuck it all.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Haphazard wrote: »
    Who's the first one in those pics? Scott Free?
    If you mean shaz's pics: It is DOOM.

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