you know, rayon being referred to as "he" might have been the point
it's a movie about a point in time and a reflection of the world in which the movie exists and the interactions between the characters, not a tumblr
Ok this is me officially saying I'm sick of this lol tumblr your argument is invalid shit
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Leverage making a big deal about Lindsay from Buffy (role within the team: "Hitter") being some sort of introspective warrior poet made me stupider for 3 weeks until my brain recovered so I stopped watching Leverage because it was a stupider, American, over explained version of Hustle.
Plus, I didn't really like Hustle anyway. Even the women look identical!
Well, the biggest issue I had on this front was how the transgender character was always referred to as "he" by everyone. That's just not really a thing. Transwomen are women, and the identification as women isn't a new thing. It was a major point of ignorance in the film, and the director himself admitted that he was completely ignorant of trans people and the community. There was literally no effort to represent that aspect with anything close to reality, though the film frequenlty dipped into hoary cliches about trans people that frequently were mixed up with hoary cliches about gay people or drag queens. Rayon was used as little more than a metric by which to measure Woodroof's growth, and we got very little insight into her life or story despite her being the second main character. I found it kinda insulting, honestly.
I didn't think Leto's character was trans in the way I think of trans people on the forum here... Like, Reyon dressed like a woman but didn't identify as one, and was in what appeared to be a monogamous gay relationship with that dude. Hormones never came up, nor any discussion of dysphoria (aside from maybe that one scene about wanting to be pretty towards the end). Reyon was a tortured soul who had no support from his family as he struggled with his identity, and this struggle unfortunately happened at a time when the gay community was hit first and hardest with a terrible illness, which really made things worse. You never find out if it was sex or the needle that caused Reyon's infection, but you cannot blame the character for use of drugs after getting a death sentence like that.
I agree that Macconaughey's performance wasn't amazing (his work in True Detective was much better), but it was pretty good. Jennifer Garner, however, was awful. Jered Leto? I dunno. I'm not happy with the character at all, so it's hard for me to judge how well he played it.
Garner was the weakest part of the main cast, yes. But Leto's performance was amazing, IMO, and totally deserving of the Oscar. Much morso than Macconaughey, who delivered a great performance in a year with many others equal if not moreso.
The skinny guy from True Detective (who looks like William Fitchner when super skinny) offers/threatens to provide Rayon with the SRS she always wanted in one scene... Using a gun.
Whether that's a bigoted assumption or an actual reflection of Rayons desires is an exercise left up to the reader.
Rayon never once on film asks for SRS or seems to be interested in it - it's never the focus of the film. Ron meanwhile would make awful cracks at every opportunity against him because that's what he did, even as he grew to understand the common humanity. So I am going to go with Ron being a shithead cracking a joke as opposed to any actual desire of the character he is insulting in that moment.
We never even really see deep into the life of Rayon aside from a few poignant scenes, but early on Rayon took Ron to a gay bar with lots of people in drag for the purpose of doing business... I just kind of assumed that was the film's was of addressing his "scene" as it were.
From my admittedly small amount of data on the topic compared to people who are active in the LGBT community and/or are queer themselves... I thought there was a very broad spectrum of where people fell, and simply donning women's clothes did not mean you were transgendered any more than it meant you were gay or anything else.
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So tonight was strange. Last minute evening drinks with a good friend who then gets us thrown out of a restaurant then pub for avoidable reasons who then reveals suicidal tendencies.
I've never been thrown out of anywhere so it was an experience.
He seems like he has moved past the bad places but I really don't l know, nor how to deal with that
Pretty much all you can do is suggest he get help and let him know you support him.
He has a therapist and a group he says, so assuming that is true, he is attempting to manage it, which is good.
I guess I'd rather know so of he does feel it again he has another person to call
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Well, the biggest issue I had on this front was how the transgender character was always referred to as "he" by everyone. That's just not really a thing. Transwomen are women, and the identification as women isn't a new thing. It was a major point of ignorance in the film, and the director himself admitted that he was completely ignorant of trans people and the community. There was literally no effort to represent that aspect with anything close to reality, though the film frequenlty dipped into hoary cliches about trans people that frequently were mixed up with hoary cliches about gay people or drag queens. Rayon was used as little more than a metric by which to measure Woodroof's growth, and we got very little insight into her life or story despite her being the second main character. I found it kinda insulting, honestly.
I didn't think Leto's character was trans in the way I think of trans people on the forum here... Like, Reyon dressed like a woman but didn't identify as one, and was in what appeared to be a monogamous gay relationship with that dude. Hormones never came up, nor any discussion of dysphoria (aside from maybe that one scene about wanting to be pretty towards the end). Reyon was a tortured soul who had no support from his family as he struggled with his identity, and this struggle unfortunately happened at a time when the gay community was hit first and hardest with a terrible illness, which really made things worse. You never find out if it was sex or the needle that caused Reyon's infection, but you cannot blame the character for use of drugs after getting a death sentence like that.
I agree that Macconaughey's performance wasn't amazing (his work in True Detective was much better), but it was pretty good. Jennifer Garner, however, was awful. Jered Leto? I dunno. I'm not happy with the character at all, so it's hard for me to judge how well he played it.
Garner was the weakest part of the main cast, yes. But Leto's performance was amazing, IMO, and totally deserving of the Oscar. Much morso than Macconaughey, who delivered a great performance in a year with many others equal if not moreso.
The skinny guy from True Detective (who looks like William Fitchner when super skinny) offers/threatens to provide Rayon with the SRS she always wanted in one scene... Using a gun.
Whether that's a bigoted assumption or an actual reflection of Rayons desires is an exercise left up to the reader.
Rayon never once on film asks for SRS or seems to be interested in it - it's never the focus of the film. Ron meanwhile would make awful cracks at every opportunity against him because that's what he did, even as he grew to understand the common humanity. So I am going to go with Ron being a shithead cracking a joke as opposed to any actual desire of the character he is insulting in that moment.
We never even really see deep into the life of Rayon aside from a few poignant scenes, but early on Rayon took Ron to a gay bar with lots of people in drag for the purpose of doing business... I just kind of assumed that was the film's was of addressing his "scene" as it were.
From my admittedly small amount of data on the topic compared to people who are active in the LGBT community and/or are queer themselves... I thought there was a very broad spectrum of where people fell, and simply donning women's clothes did not mean you were transgendered any more than it meant you were gay or anything else.
Actually, watching the Transcendence trailer again, I think it's possible the AI may be the good guy and the trailer is just intentionally misleading.
Because at the beginning it's established that there's like an anti-tech terrorist organization.
If you figure that the writer would most likely be writing about post-humanism because he is a post-humanist (it's not really a mainstream concept and like all the stuff that shows up in the trailer are things post-humanists are all about), then Luddites are probably the actual enemy, and he's going for a reversal on the usual scifi tropes. This would be pretty consistent with, like, Kurzweil, where he sees himself as being persecuted by people who are afraid of technology.
The movie looks awesome.
Kurzweil is a bit loopy, if only because of one of the graphs for which he is famous that equates technological development with evolution.
Kurzweil is definitely loopy.
Though, I would also equate technological development with evolution, but my views on this are less scientific than they are...I guess philosophical?
p much since while I get the gist of what you're saying it's not what evolution means at all
The scientific definition of evolution is irrelevant, that's arbitrarily agreed upon and for precision in communication. I'm talking about it in more general, colloquial terms.
you know, rayon being referred to as "he" might have been the point
it's a movie about a point in time and a reflection of the world in which the movie exists and the interactions between the characters, not a tumblr
Bullshit. If they just used he in the movie, you might have a point. But they also only used he as a description of the character outside the movie.
i haven't seen a description of the character outside the movie, other than wikipedia, which uses "she"
and taking a step back, at no point do we get to peer inside the character's head and understand what gender they identify as (as far as i remember), unless we're making a "walks like a duck" argument
you know, rayon being referred to as "he" might have been the point
it's a movie about a point in time and a reflection of the world in which the movie exists and the interactions between the characters, not a tumblr
Bullshit. If they just used he in the movie, you might have a point. But they also only used he as a description of the character outside the movie.
This. This is you applying your own lens and opinion on the character to your own place and therefore judging more harshly.
The reason everyone in the film referred to Rayon as a he, and out of the film referred to Rayon as a he, could just as simply be because Rayon was a gay man who liked women's clothing and did not think or feel himself as being a woman.
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you know, rayon being referred to as "he" might have been the point
it's a movie about a point in time and a reflection of the world in which the movie exists and the interactions between the characters, not a tumblr
Bullshit. If they just used he in the movie, you might have a point. But they also only used he as a description of the character outside the movie.
Yeah, so far as Atomika is correct that the director admitted to attempting to portray a transgendered person without having done any research, Gooey's post is not much of an answer.
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Actually, watching the Transcendence trailer again, I think it's possible the AI may be the good guy and the trailer is just intentionally misleading.
Because at the beginning it's established that there's like an anti-tech terrorist organization.
If you figure that the writer would most likely be writing about post-humanism because he is a post-humanist (it's not really a mainstream concept and like all the stuff that shows up in the trailer are things post-humanists are all about), then Luddites are probably the actual enemy, and he's going for a reversal on the usual scifi tropes. This would be pretty consistent with, like, Kurzweil, where he sees himself as being persecuted by people who are afraid of technology.
The movie looks awesome.
Kurzweil is a bit loopy, if only because of one of the graphs for which he is famous that equates technological development with evolution.
Kurzweil is definitely loopy.
Though, I would also equate technological development with evolution, but my views on this are less scientific than they are...I guess philosophical?
p much since while I get the gist of what you're saying it's not what evolution means at all
The scientific definition of evolution is irrelevant, that's arbitrarily agreed upon and for precision in communication. I'm talking about it in more general, colloquial terms.
Hey are fundamentally different things with fundamentally different drivers and substrates upon which they act.
Actually, watching the Transcendence trailer again, I think it's possible the AI may be the good guy and the trailer is just intentionally misleading.
Because at the beginning it's established that there's like an anti-tech terrorist organization.
If you figure that the writer would most likely be writing about post-humanism because he is a post-humanist (it's not really a mainstream concept and like all the stuff that shows up in the trailer are things post-humanists are all about), then Luddites are probably the actual enemy, and he's going for a reversal on the usual scifi tropes. This would be pretty consistent with, like, Kurzweil, where he sees himself as being persecuted by people who are afraid of technology.
The movie looks awesome.
Kurzweil is a bit loopy, if only because of one of the graphs for which he is famous that equates technological development with evolution.
Kurzweil is definitely loopy.
Though, I would also equate technological development with evolution, but my views on this are less scientific than they are...I guess philosophical?
p much since while I get the gist of what you're saying it's not what evolution means at all
The scientific definition of evolution is irrelevant, that's arbitrarily agreed upon and for precision in communication. I'm talking about it in more general, colloquial terms.
yeah I know
and I don't agree
the use basically becomes "change" then, and then we can use the word change
you know, rayon being referred to as "he" might have been the point
it's a movie about a point in time and a reflection of the world in which the movie exists and the interactions between the characters, not a tumblr
Bullshit. If they just used he in the movie, you might have a point. But they also only used he as a description of the character outside the movie.
This. This is you applying your own lens and opinion on the character to your own place and therefore judging more harshly.
The reason everyone in the film referred to Rayon as a he, and out of the film referred to Rayon as a he, could just as simply be because Rayon was a gay man who liked women's clothing and did not think or feel himself as being a woman.
I have not seen a single description of the character from a single person tied to the movie as anything other than a trans women.
So long as you don't try and pass it off as your joke.
I feel like there is a huge difference between regular human interaction and being a standup comedian here.
you do? I don't. As long as I can remember it has been the norm to look down our nose at the guy saying that no totally this happened to him or that yeah I totally coined that joke.
So long as you don't try and pass it off as your joke.
I feel like there is a huge difference between regular human interaction and being a standup comedian here.
If someone asked whether you came up with a joke on your own and you lied, though, you'd still be a bit of a lying dick, just in an individual rather than professional capacity.
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Bullshit. If they just used he in the movie, you might have a point. But they also only used he as a description of the character outside the movie.
Telling other people what they should and shouldn't find problematic. The traditional pastime of the white, cismale.
In other news, oh god another week of no classes at work.
Plus, I didn't really like Hustle anyway. Even the women look identical!
tumblr really sucks tho
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If you're gonna have a ridiculous story be ridiculous.
It's problematic.
I really should, I am completely terrible at it.
I've been trying to work through the 4th book of ASoIaF but I realized I just left it at home today!
I should really be doing career research.
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Rayon never once on film asks for SRS or seems to be interested in it - it's never the focus of the film. Ron meanwhile would make awful cracks at every opportunity against him because that's what he did, even as he grew to understand the common humanity. So I am going to go with Ron being a shithead cracking a joke as opposed to any actual desire of the character he is insulting in that moment.
We never even really see deep into the life of Rayon aside from a few poignant scenes, but early on Rayon took Ron to a gay bar with lots of people in drag for the purpose of doing business... I just kind of assumed that was the film's was of addressing his "scene" as it were.
From my admittedly small amount of data on the topic compared to people who are active in the LGBT community and/or are queer themselves... I thought there was a very broad spectrum of where people fell, and simply donning women's clothes did not mean you were transgendered any more than it meant you were gay or anything else.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
He has a therapist and a group he says, so assuming that is true, he is attempting to manage it, which is good.
I guess I'd rather know so of he does feel it again he has another person to call
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The scientific definition of evolution is irrelevant, that's arbitrarily agreed upon and for precision in communication. I'm talking about it in more general, colloquial terms.
i haven't seen a description of the character outside the movie, other than wikipedia, which uses "she"
and taking a step back, at no point do we get to peer inside the character's head and understand what gender they identify as (as far as i remember), unless we're making a "walks like a duck" argument
The phrase has literal roots, though.
This. This is you applying your own lens and opinion on the character to your own place and therefore judging more harshly.
The reason everyone in the film referred to Rayon as a he, and out of the film referred to Rayon as a he, could just as simply be because Rayon was a gay man who liked women's clothing and did not think or feel himself as being a woman.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
my ye old style is fine
Yeah, so far as Atomika is correct that the director admitted to attempting to portray a transgendered person without having done any research, Gooey's post is not much of an answer.
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There is no shame in repeating a good joke
Or a bad joke, but like a good bad joke
he hasn't been seen in two days. we live in a row home and i don't think he is really outside-equipped. p sure he's gone forever. bummed out.
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So long as you don't try and pass it off as your joke.
yeah I know
and I don't agree
the use basically becomes "change" then, and then we can use the word change
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I feel like there is a huge difference between regular human interaction and being a standup comedian here.
sucks bro :[
I have not seen a single description of the character from a single person tied to the movie as anything other than a trans women.
Speaking of which, you've never once paid me for any of the jokes I've told on here.
you do? I don't. As long as I can remember it has been the norm to look down our nose at the guy saying that no totally this happened to him or that yeah I totally coined that joke.
If someone asked whether you came up with a joke on your own and you lied, though, you'd still be a bit of a lying dick, just in an individual rather than professional capacity.