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    ShadowofVTShadowofVT Robot Overlord Boston, MARegistered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    I don't think they will change Warsong Commander (or Patron or whatever) this close to a new expansionrelease as they want to see if the new cards help in nerfing the deck.

    Keep in mind they nerfed Gadgetzan Auctioneer, Soulfire, and Flare right before GvG launched. Or maybe right after? It was pretty much around the same time though. It could very well happen.

    That is true, those did happen fairly close together. Maybe they will do the same to Patron right at release to promote trying some new decks out. Otherwise people might stick to the obvious #1 Patron deck while everyone else flounders around with the new cards.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    so what are people going to cook up on release?

    I'm hoping to get enough cards to try out

    Beasty Druid
    Spellpower Magey
    Murlockin' Pally
    ARRRRR ROGUE

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    KonphujunKonphujun Illinois, USARegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    so what are people going to cook up on release?

    I'm hoping to get enough cards to try out

    Beasty Druid
    Spellpower Magey
    Murlockin' Pally
    ARRRRR ROGUE

    Right now the dream is dragon control warrior featuring varian.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular

    Speaking of...

    @MNC Dover
    Can you please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and pure, fix the lowercase L in the thread title?

    PLEASE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Like seriously, I'm texting you right now.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Speaking of...

    @MNC Dover
    Can you please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and pure, fix the lowercase L in the thread title?

    PLEASE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

    "[hearthstone] let the grand tournament begin!"

    Like that, right? :rotate:

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    AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Can I just rephrase that I'm not saying Patron isn't OP, I'm just saying it isn't the instant win button some people have suggested it is (much in the same way the original Miracle Rogue wasn't).

    I agree with this. Patron needs a certain board state to blast off with the speed of light, and the more minions on the board the more chance they have of winning.

    Depending on the board state, it's better to play only one (big) minion lategame instead of hoping to win next turn with a big rush of small creatures. Otherwise you are fueling the Patrons or 'the 2/3 that grows with damage but can't recall its name' minion.

    Late game, it helps to count the amount of minions/ 1 damage spells he can play to see if you die to the 2/3 if you even play one minion.

    Problem, sometimes it just cannot be helped and RNGesus was in need of salt.

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    wonderpugwonderpug Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Speaking of...

    @MNC Dover
    Can you please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and pure, fix the lowercase L in the thread title?

    PLEASE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

    "[hearthstone] let the grand tournament begin!"

    Like that, right? :rotate:

    "[Lhearthstone] Llet Lthe Lgrand Ltournament Lbegin!"

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    ShenShen Registered User regular
    Dragon priest if I can get the 3/6 taunt dragon, beast/tempo druid (fuck Innervate/Wild Growth forever), C.R.E.A.M. warrior feat. Dr Wrynn.

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    azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    redfield85 wrote: »

    Whenever this damn expansion kicks off... you know... one of these years.

    Wow... I remember when Blizzard would say "Soon" and mean it was sometime in the next decade. They get it down to a month and people still complain.

    :)

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    InqInq Registered User regular
    ShadowofVT wrote: »
    Dibby wrote: »
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    I don't think they will change Warsong Commander (or Patron or whatever) this close to a new expansionrelease as they want to see if the new cards help in nerfing the deck.

    Keep in mind they nerfed Gadgetzan Auctioneer, Soulfire, and Flare right before GvG launched. Or maybe right after? It was pretty much around the same time though. It could very well happen.

    That is true, those did happen fairly close together. Maybe they will do the same to Patron right at release to promote trying some new decks out. Otherwise people might stick to the obvious #1 Patron deck while everyone else flounders around with the new cards.

    Keep in mind that all 3 of those were from the expert set, so they'd already been through one expansion.

    The Flare nerf was pretty much directly addressing that -- they tried to push secrets with Mad Scientist in Naxx, but Mage (and Pally) secrets were pretty much still dead because Hunter was super popular and Flare was an easy filler to include. Pally secrets are still pretty much dead, but that's more because they're 1 mana cards and thus relatively weak.

    The Gadgetzan nerf was tied to the spare part mechanic that they were introducing in GVG -- miracle rogue was still a solid deck after the Leeroy nerf, and adding a bunch of 1 mana spells would have been pretty crazy. It also may have spawned a bunch of other Miracle Class decks.

    Soulfire was most likely just the response to Zoo's continued strong position in the meta after Naxx. And keep in mind this is pre-Undertaker nerf, so we're talking Deathrattle Zoo with Undertaker. Being able to protect your board without losing any tempo was just too good.

    Also, looking back on nerf timing -- the Undertaker nerf was about 7 weeks after the launch of GVG (Dec 8th launch, Jan 27th nerf).

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Also let's talk shop about potential underrated/undervalued cards.

    I think Gormok the Impaler is going to be seriously good in say, Zoo Lock. Zoo typically has plenty of other small token-y minions on board, Gormok is a pretty huge swing card (4 damage battlecry to kill a dude, and put a 4/4 in play!) and like NO ONE has been talking about it. I think it's going to fly under the radar. Might be good in other aggro decks as well (Aggro Pally maybe? tends to flood the board, Muster for Battle puts 3 dudes out).

    And while not necessarily undervalued/underrated, I think Effigy is going to be crazy good. Insanely good. People also haven't really been talking about this one either but holy crap.

    Other considerations:
    King's Elekk - I think a lot of people aren't realizing how much potential this card has. Play a 3/2 beast, draw a card sometimes. That's good, for a 2 drop.
    Mulch - Most Constructed decks have a game plan, tossing a random creature in their hand isn't going to cause them to deviate from that plan. Unless it's a really good creature. Still, 3 mana hard removal Druid card and it seems pretty good.
    Stable Master - I'm not entirely sold on this one yet? But there's a possibility of having a pretty big swing turn. Imagine dropping King's Elekk on 2, then using Stable Master to let King's Elekk kill off a Knife Juggler or even a 3 drop.
    Spellslinger - Sure, you might give yourself Totemic Might and your opponent a Flamestrike. But the opposite could happen too. Gonna keep an eye on this one, there's potential here. Plus it's a 3 mana 3/4.

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    azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Speaking of...

    @MNC Dover
    Can you please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and pure, fix the lowercase L in the thread title?

    PLEASE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

    "[hearthstone] let the grand tournament begin!"

    Like that, right? :rotate:

    Dont you love how the guy whos most grammar nazi on these threads is the guy who spells his name with 3 Upper case M's?

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    El SkidEl Skid The frozen white northRegistered User regular
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    azith28 wrote: »
    Dibby wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Speaking of...

    @MNC Dover
    Can you please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and pure, fix the lowercase L in the thread title?

    PLEASE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

    "[hearthstone] let the grand tournament begin!"

    Like that, right? :rotate:

    Dont you love how the guy whos most grammar nazi on these threads is the guy who spells his name with 3 Upper case M's?

    I SEE NOThing WROng WITh THAt...

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    MuffinatronMuffinatron Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    redfield85 wrote: »

    Whenever this damn expansion kicks off... you know... one of these years.

    Wow... I remember when Blizzard would say "Soon" and mean it was sometime in the next decade. They get it down to a month and people still complain.

    :)

    I just take issue with saying it's coming in August and (seemingly) only releasing it in the last week of August.

    It's technically correct. I know that's the best kind of correct, but it's also the most irritating kind of correct.

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    GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    so what are people going to cook up on release?

    I'm hoping to get enough cards to try out

    Beasty Druid
    Spellpower Magey
    Murlockin' Pally
    ARRRRR ROGUE

    I'm going to make the slowest paladin in the universe. Tuskarr Jousters, some dragons, Enter the Colosseum. It'll be terrible probably but I don't care.

    And definitely some sort of ramp Druid.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    El Skid wrote: »
    .
    azith28 wrote: »
    Dibby wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Speaking of...

    @MNC Dover
    Can you please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and pure, fix the lowercase L in the thread title?

    PLEASE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

    "[hearthstone] let the grand tournament begin!"

    Like that, right? :rotate:

    Dont you love how the guy whos most grammar nazi on these threads is the guy who spells his name with 3 Upper case M's?

    I SEE NOThing WROng WITh THAt...


    It's actually Blizzard's fault for that.


    Loaded up Starcraft back in 1998.
    Create an account!
    Cool...
    Mig.... taken

    MMig... taken... damn it...

    and thus the world created MMMig, not out of desire, but out of necessity
    and lo did regret ever share such a vast audience

    It's also dumb that Facebook thinks names with 3 consecutive letters aren't real and thus won't let you use that.
    Everyone there spells it as MMig and it's very irritating

    -_-'

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    That's why you should have made it xXx_Dark_Mig_xXx instead

    then there would be no confusion!

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    38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    Did you try Mlg?

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    chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Dibby wrote: »
    Also let's talk shop about potential underrated/undervalued cards.

    I think Gormok the Impaler is going to be seriously good in say, Zoo Lock. Zoo typically has plenty of other small token-y minions on board, Gormok is a pretty huge swing card (4 damage battlecry to kill a dude, and put a 4/4 in play!) and like NO ONE has been talking about it. I think it's going to fly under the radar. Might be good in other aggro decks as well (Aggro Pally maybe? tends to flood the board, Muster for Battle puts 3 dudes out).

    And while not necessarily undervalued/underrated, I think Effigy is going to be crazy good. Insanely good. People also haven't really been talking about this one either but holy crap.

    Other considerations:
    King's Elekk - I think a lot of people aren't realizing how much potential this card has. Play a 3/2 beast, draw a card sometimes. That's good, for a 2 drop.
    Mulch - Most Constructed decks have a game plan, tossing a random creature in their hand isn't going to cause them to deviate from that plan. Unless it's a really good creature. Still, 3 mana hard removal Druid card and it seems pretty good.
    Stable Master - I'm not entirely sold on this one yet? But there's a possibility of having a pretty big swing turn. Imagine dropping King's Elekk on 2, then using Stable Master to let King's Elekk kill off a Knife Juggler or even a 3 drop.
    Spellslinger - Sure, you might give yourself Totemic Might and your opponent a Flamestrike. But the opposite could happen too. Gonna keep an eye on this one, there's potential here. Plus it's a 3 mana 3/4.

    I think Gormok will do well in several decks. I could see him going in my Shaman deck for sure (lots of sticky minions).

    Yes, I think mulch will see a lot of use, and replace naturalize in a lot of decks for just the reason you state, that a random minion, more often than not, will be of much, much less use than making them draw two of their own cards.

    King's Elekk, might be good, but I don't see hunter being a class that lends itself to jousting well (I guess control hunter could become a thing?) so, while true, 3/2 and a card for 2 mana is good, I'd imagine the chance of winning the joust might be in the (pretty wild guess here) 20% area. So just keep that in mind.

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    AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    redfield85 wrote: »

    Whenever this damn expansion kicks off... you know... one of these years.

    Wow... I remember when Blizzard would say "Soon" and mean it was sometime in the next decade. They get it down to a month and people still complain.

    :)

    I just take issue with saying it's coming in August and (seemingly) only releasing it in the last week of August.

    It's technically correct. I know that's the best kind of correct, but it's also the most irritating kind of correct.

    We get this kind of rant every time a new expansion/game is released.
    People are excited.
    People can't wait.
    I get it.
    I always give the same advice to help fight the disappointment.
    Start assuming they mean 'at the last possible day of release, at 23:59:59'. Every second it's sooner is just a bonus.

    As long as we cannot see in the inner workings of Blizzard we cannot know why there is no exact date yet. It may be last minute changes, problems with code, milking more preorders, etc.
    This is how they work. We cannot do anything but wait. Sooooooon.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Did you try Mlg?

    ... o0o


    anyway, enough about being mistaken for a Marylin Manson Russian Jet fighter...


    I truly do wish the meta gets all kind of effed up with this expansion.
    Tired of seeing the same deck types over and over again.


    It doesn't seem like hero powers and inspire are too strong but well, we'll see.
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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Did you try Mlg?

    ... o0o


    anyway, enough about being mistaken for a Marylin Manson Russian Jet fighter...


    I truly do wish the meta gets all kind of effed up with this expansion.
    Tired of seeing the same deck types over and over again.


    It doesn't seem like hero powers and inspire are too strong but well, we'll see.
    I crafted Galywix some time ago while possibly drunk... I want a reason to use him!!

    It's tough to see where the meta will end up this far out. It took months before we felt the full extend of GvG's effects. That said, I'm a lot less impressed by the cards so far compared to GvG. I am however a pretty awful deckbuilder for anything meaningful and joust or inspire doesn't fill me with deck ideas the way mechs did.

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    AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »

    Just wanted to post this.
    Nice!

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    MuffinatronMuffinatron Registered User regular
    Given that, I'm guessing that the patch to add the TGT cards and support for the ranked mode changes is coming tomorrow when they do maintenance, expansion live on the 25th?

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    MadPenMadPen San DiegoRegistered User regular
    Okay, so I know conventional wisdom is not to use dust to create rares or epics, but I'm getting pretty sick of my rogue not having a second blade flurry. I have 2000 gold and 400 dust saved up for this expansion, but I am sorely tempted to use some of it on basic cards.

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    chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    MadPen wrote: »
    Okay, so I know conventional wisdom is not to use dust to create rares or epics, but I'm getting pretty sick of my rogue not having a second blade flurry. I have 2000 gold and 400 dust saved up for this expansion, but I am sorely tempted to use some of it on basic cards.

    Meh, I'd say use it if not for TGT coming out soon. I crafted one Ancient of Lore waaaay back (might have been last year?). I still haven't gotten another one in a pack, so I'd say it was worth it. However, with TGT coming out, I'd save it just for the new stuff coming out, though blade flurry is still gonna be good, so /shrug.

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    AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    MadPen wrote: »
    Okay, so I know conventional wisdom is not to use dust to create rares or epics, but I'm getting pretty sick of my rogue not having a second blade flurry. I have 2000 gold and 400 dust saved up for this expansion, but I am sorely tempted to use some of it on basic cards.

    You should imo. A lot of them are staples. Especially if you won't be buying classic cards for a while.

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    InqInq Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Did you try Mlg?

    ... o0o


    anyway, enough about being mistaken for a Marylin Manson Russian Jet fighter...


    I truly do wish the meta gets all kind of effed up with this expansion.
    Tired of seeing the same deck types over and over again.


    It doesn't seem like hero powers and inspire are too strong but well, we'll see.
    I crafted Galywix some time ago while possibly drunk... I want a reason to use him!!

    It's tough to see where the meta will end up this far out. It took months before we felt the full extend of GvG's effects. That said, I'm a lot less impressed by the cards so far compared to GvG. I am however a pretty awful deckbuilder for anything meaningful and joust or inspire doesn't fill me with deck ideas the way mechs did.

    It's also tough to predict how good cards will be before they're released. Think back on GVG and remember the predictions for:
    Antique Healbot
    Shield Maiden
    Imp-losion
    Dr. Boom

    Or Naxx with Sludge Belcher and Webspinner.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Jesus, @mmmig, did you really text me for a thread capitalization?

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Jesus, mmmig, did you really text me for a thread capitalization?

    Don't give in! He's not the boss of you!

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    MadPenMadPen San DiegoRegistered User regular
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    MadPen wrote: »
    Okay, so I know conventional wisdom is not to use dust to create rares or epics, but I'm getting pretty sick of my rogue not having a second blade flurry. I have 2000 gold and 400 dust saved up for this expansion, but I am sorely tempted to use some of it on basic cards.

    You should imo. A lot of them are staples. Especially if you won't be buying classic cards for a while.

    That's what I wanted to hear :)

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    AustralopitenicoAustralopitenico Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Dover you are a monster.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Jesus, @mmmig, did you really text me for a thread capitalization?

    That's it. I'm usurping the thread next time.
    MadPen wrote: »
    Okay, so I know conventional wisdom is not to use dust to create rares or epics, but I'm getting pretty sick of my rogue not having a second blade flurry. I have 2000 gold and 400 dust saved up for this expansion, but I am sorely tempted to use some of it on basic cards.

    I think it's fine to craft epics, because a lot of the epics are really important and pretty rare.

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    MadPen wrote: »
    Okay, so I know conventional wisdom is not to use dust to create rares or epics, but I'm getting pretty sick of my rogue not having a second blade flurry. I have 2000 gold and 400 dust saved up for this expansion, but I am sorely tempted to use some of it on basic cards.

    There are still blues I am missing from the base set. I think I got my first Aldor 2 weeks ago. When going the pure f2p model you should craft whatever you need. There is no telling how RNGsus will treat you.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Yeah, core tech rares and epics will give you a LOT more than some legendary no matter how OP (because they're not THAT OP).


    Key cards are crucial to making decks work. The fatties just do whatever fatties do.

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    lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Yeah, core tech rares and epics will give you a LOT more than some legendary no matter how OP (because they're not THAT OP).


    Key cards are crucial to making decks work. The fatties just do whatever fatties do.

    Agreed. Here's my list of class epics/rares/legendaries that are a must:

    Druid: Ancient of Lore.
    Hunter: Eaglethorn Bow, Highmane.
    Mage: Antonidas.
    Paladin: Equality and Tirion.
    Priest: Soulpriest and Cabal.
    Rogue: Blade Fury.
    Shaman: Ummm...
    Warlock: Doomguard, Jaraxxus, Mal'Ganis.
    Warrior: Armorsmith and Garrosh.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Preparation needs to be on that list. As does Shield Slam.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular

    I wouldn't say you need Jarax or Malganis if you're playing zoo (which zoo is legend-worthy already).

    They're only really for demonlock.


    Malylock doesn't use them either.

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