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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    in NYC no less

    $30k in NYC can get you a really nice cardboard box under a bridge in Astoria

    You'll still probably have enough for an MTA card and three meals a week

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    in NYC no less

    $30k in NYC can get you a really nice cardboard box under a bridge in Astoria

    You'll still probably have enough for an MTA card and three meals a week

    you quality for public housing and food stamps at 30k/yr, I am pretty sure.

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    who gets to decide

    I hope it's me

    cutting out all theoretical math majors cuz good god nerds do something with your life

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    you can tell that youth doesn't deserve a living wage because of his backwards cap and sunglasses and the rap music he is probably listening to

    and they're definitely the target demo here

    certainly not the scores of minority workers who actually scrape by working at these places

    nope

    definitely jerk-ass white kids

    with their hip hop

    and dan fogelberg

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    the best burger conversation is so awful

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    When Summer's family was in town from Sweden and doing the touristy thing here in NYC, they had lunch at a burger king.

    They were horrified at how terrible and expensive it was. Apparently Burger King over in Europe is nice? Like, something we would consider a Five Guys?

    They thought our Burger King was a knockoff.

    i say this literally every time the awful burger conversation comes up, but BK here is genuinely nice

    it's so weird because the name "Burger King" implies like, some goofy chain restaurant, about as respectable as the name "Taco Bell"

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    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    you can tell that youth doesn't deserve a living wage because of his backwards cap and sunglasses and the rap music he is probably listening to

    I bet it's going to make a buncha anthro majors upset though.

    Coming out of school with no better prospect than a fry cook and 50k in debt makes for some vicious class warfare.

    It is one of the inherent risks of those degrees though.

    But I am not really sure how this is an argument against it, considering if they had to work fast food after graduating in order to pay the bills it would be good if that was a living wage.

    The stereotype this ad is playing up is important

    The people who will benefit most from (and desperately need) that $15 minimum wage is not your shiftless, lazy middle class white son who doesn't care about school, MAN. It's not the 15 year old kid who you out the fear of God into for SAT prep by yelling about how they're going to end up as a McDonald's worker.

    Like, literally not a single worker at the times
    Square McDonald's even remotely fits this profile. I'll give you one guess how they're different

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    #liberalArtsDegreesMatter

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    you can tell that youth doesn't deserve a living wage because of his backwards cap and sunglasses and the rap music he is probably listening to

    and they're definitely the target demo here

    certainly not the scores of minority workers who actually scrape by working at these places

    nope

    definitely jerk-ass white kids

    with their hip hop

    and dan fogelberg

    tbf, if that ad showed a black kid we'd all be screamin' bout the 'cisms

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    spacekungfumanspacekungfuman Poor and minority-filled Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Only acceptable engineering degree is in being a train engineer.

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    in NYC no less

    $30k in NYC can get you a really nice cardboard box under a bridge in Astoria

    You'll still probably have enough for an MTA card and three meals a week

    you quality for public housing and food stamps at 30k/yr, I am pretty sure.

    wait really?

    this is deffo not the case in CO

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    (That's a generalized "you" although cleric might agree with me considering how younger siblings are the worst right cleric)

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    Bad things. We need people to continue in the track of historical preservation, arts, philosophies, etc. such that we continue to evolve our understanding of the past an maintain a continued and ever expanding chain of knowledge from one generation to the next.

    Maybe we should be a bit more selective in how many of those need to exist at any given time and make it competitive such that we do not have a glut of graduates fighting over a very small number of very real and essential positions, but there absolutely should be governmental support for these degrees.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    So, starting tomorrow I'm a student again.

    Elaboration to come, now I am sleep.

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    who gets to decide

    I hope it's me

    cutting out all theoretical math majors cuz good god nerds do something with your life

    No it's my idea I get to decide.

    sorry "science", you're gone. We're only funding Chicago school economics and "liberty studies".

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    @jean that suuuuuuuuucks

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    who gets to decide

    I hope it's me

    cutting out all theoretical math majors cuz good god nerds do something with your life

    being a math major sort of blows

    it would be doing them a favor maybe

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    in NYC no less

    $30k in NYC can get you a really nice cardboard box under a bridge in Astoria

    You'll still probably have enough for an MTA card and three meals a week

    you quality for public housing and food stamps at 30k/yr, I am pretty sure.

    wait really?

    this is deffo not the case in CO

    It depends on household size and local income thresholds and asset/resource tests

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    When Summer's family was in town from Sweden and doing the touristy thing here in NYC, they had lunch at a burger king.

    They were horrified at how terrible and expensive it was. Apparently Burger King over in Europe is nice? Like, something we would consider a Five Guys?

    They thought our Burger King was a knockoff.

    i say this literally every time the awful burger conversation comes up, but BK here is genuinely nice

    it's so weird because the name "Burger King" implies like, some goofy chain restaurant, about as respectable as the name "Taco Bell"

    yeah, it's a chain restaurant but it's not shit tier like McDonalds or whatever

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    god damn it, @Vanguard

    now I'm getting 8 CITIES EVERY HIPSTER SHOULD VISIT

    it's all your fault

    follow my music twitter soundcloud tumblr
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    KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    Only acceptable engineering degree is in being a train engineer.

    Well then. Next time you want refrigerant for your air conditioner you can ask Mr tophat for it.hmmmf

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    When Summer's family was in town from Sweden and doing the touristy thing here in NYC, they had lunch at a burger king.

    They were horrified at how terrible and expensive it was. Apparently Burger King over in Europe is nice? Like, something we would consider a Five Guys?

    They thought our Burger King was a knockoff.

    i say this literally every time the awful burger conversation comes up, but BK here is genuinely nice

    it's so weird because the name "Burger King" implies like, some goofy chain restaurant, about as respectable as the name "Taco Bell"

    This anti-monarchist impertinence

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited August 2015
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    in NYC no less

    $30k in NYC can get you a really nice cardboard box under a bridge in Astoria

    You'll still probably have enough for an MTA card and three meals a week

    you quality for public housing and food stamps at 30k/yr, I am pretty sure.

    wait really?

    this is deffo not the case in CO

    The average studio apartment in colorado doesn't cost 1500/mo.

    New York City is weird.

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    BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    who gets to decide

    I hope it's me

    cutting out all theoretical math majors cuz good god nerds do something with your life

    No it's my idea I get to decide.

    sorry "science", you're gone. We're only funding Chicago school economics and "liberty studies".

    Wait I was wary when you first suggested this idea but now I'm 100% behind it

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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Tav wrote: »
    the best burger conversation is so awful

    one more mention and we get to talk about the value proposition of wendy's. I am real excited.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    these cells seem to have discovered how to read ayn rand
    they really like objectivism and have decided to no longer take my free nutritional supplements in the culture media
    instead they make their own and distribute it at a predetermined and reactionary market value

    please fund me koch brothers
    please fund me

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    Bad things. We need people to continue in the track of historical preservation, arts, philosophies, etc. such that we continue to evolve our understanding of the past an maintain a continued and ever expanding chain of knowledge from one generation to the next.

    Maybe we should be a bit more selective in how many of those need to exist at any given time and make it competitive such that we do not have a glut of graduates fighting over a very small number of very real and essential positions, but there absolutely should be governmental support for these degrees.

    No i agree totally that all those things are needed as a society, but do we need to fund unlimited numbers of that kind of skillset?

    I don't really think so.

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Also I'm not even sure I get the criticism of that ad.

    So some people will decide they don't want to go to college and will instead happily enter the workforce?

    I fail to see a problem.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    in NYC no less

    $30k in NYC can get you a really nice cardboard box under a bridge in Astoria

    You'll still probably have enough for an MTA card and three meals a week

    you quality for public housing and food stamps at 30k/yr, I am pretty sure.

    wait really?

    this is deffo not the case in CO

    The average studio apartment in colorado doesn't cost 1500/mo.

    New York City is weird.

    in denver it's up to like 1100

    p hard to make ends meet on 30k there if you have a car payment or student loans

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    When Summer's family was in town from Sweden and doing the touristy thing here in NYC, they had lunch at a burger king.

    They were horrified at how terrible and expensive it was. Apparently Burger King over in Europe is nice? Like, something we would consider a Five Guys?

    They thought our Burger King was a knockoff.

    i say this literally every time the awful burger conversation comes up, but BK here is genuinely nice

    it's so weird because the name "Burger King" implies like, some goofy chain restaurant, about as respectable as the name "Taco Bell"

    On the other hand, imagine you're from another country and see a place called "Five Guys." You look inside and see boxes all over the place and, for some reason, peanuts.

    Meanwhile that restaurant is endorsed by royalty.

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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    Or just fund them based on employment rate. Not in-field employment, just generally employment. No need to cut off funding, just provide it in a sensible, non-vindictive proportion.

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    In America, you can be anything, as long as it's IT, compsci, or engineering

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    As of May 2015, average apartment rent within 10 miles of Boston, MA is $2489. One bedroom apartments in Boston rent for $2085 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $2597.
    ;_;

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    In America, you can be anything, as long as it's IT, compsci, or engineering

    I remember my mom telling me I could be president someday

    oh yeah mom well where the fuck is my Super PAC and meticulous PR team huh

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    When Summer's family was in town from Sweden and doing the touristy thing here in NYC, they had lunch at a burger king.

    They were horrified at how terrible and expensive it was. Apparently Burger King over in Europe is nice? Like, something we would consider a Five Guys?

    They thought our Burger King was a knockoff.

    i say this literally every time the awful burger conversation comes up, but BK here is genuinely nice

    it's so weird because the name "Burger King" implies like, some goofy chain restaurant, about as respectable as the name "Taco Bell"

    On the other hand, imagine you're from another country and see a place called "Five Guys." You look inside and see boxes all over the place and, for some reason, peanuts.

    Meanwhile that restaurant is endorsed by royalty.

    Not to mention that if nobody told me five guys was good, the incessant wallpaper of smug self satisfaction of how good their stuff is is actually kind of a turn off and I would probably just leave.

    Their decor is blustery self-promotion, and peanut shells.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if, as a nation, we just decided that there is a subset of college degree tracks that we aren't interested in funding anymore.

    Bad things. We need people to continue in the track of historical preservation, arts, philosophies, etc. such that we continue to evolve our understanding of the past an maintain a continued and ever expanding chain of knowledge from one generation to the next.

    Maybe we should be a bit more selective in how many of those need to exist at any given time and make it competitive such that we do not have a glut of graduates fighting over a very small number of very real and essential positions, but there absolutely should be governmental support for these degrees.

    No i agree totally that all those things are needed as a society, but do we need to fund unlimited numbers of that kind of skillset?

    I don't really think so.
    I could make the same argument for the majority of STEM degrees.
    The jobs aren't there for anyone.


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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    America would lose quite a bit of its creative and cultural output, which we depend on to maintain a cultural lead, in Civ-speak

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    In America, you can be anything, as long as it's IT, compsci, or engineering
    Coincidentally all three professions are on my no date list.

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    KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    Did nerd ever show up? @spacekungfuman

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited August 2015
    As of May 2015, average apartment rent within 10 miles of Boston, MA is $2489. One bedroom apartments in Boston rent for $2085 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $2597.
    ;_;

    I didn't use a real average for NYC because there is a certain strata of apartments in this city that ruin the numbers for everyone else.

    Like, basically anything along central park east, west, south is going to run a minimum of 10-15,000 a month, and probably closer to 50-60k a month.


    edit: I am positive Boston has some "whale" areas that break the average too.

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