On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
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Forget the word monster. Call them terrible people. I don't care about that part. My point is just that when you start talking about what action or activity by the French government or the western world was a cause of the attack or a motivation for it, you create a narrative where there is a reasonable relationship between the two. They people are not killing innocents because of a thing that someone else did, because a reasonable person never reacts like that. These people are killing because they are terrible people, and they don't deserve the air of legitimacy that ascribing a motive other than "to kill people" may imply. These are mass murderers, no freedom fighters or members of a movement. They are just mass murderers. They don't deserve to be viewed as anything more than that.
I'm just left with the feeling that we are all monsters. This spiral of uncaring death and destruction we find ourselves in would suggest nothing less. What can we do? Deport millions of people? Give billions of dollars to try and improve the lives of people who need our help, but are willing to destroy democracy and kill others to get it? Just put a dictator in charge and let them decide for us?
I don't like this kind of perspective because it leaves out how much better we have become over time. Humans may suck a lot but a glance at history says there is some hope. Slavery abolished. Women's rights supported. Torture abandoned. We may suck but we suck a lot less. Past performance no guarantee of future results but I'm optimistic.
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If this was an attack on the United States, and ISIS claimed responsibility, there's almost no doubt in my mind that we'd have boots on the ground in within a month. Just like Afghanistan after 9/11.
But what about France? How will France respond?
Under Sarkozy, tomorrow. Depends how French public opinion goes. I bet US public opinion almost forces Obama's hand though. I doubt any of the contenders, even Sanders, will be able to object to force, but maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, yeah, France is our ally. If ISIS claimed responsibility, wouldn't that trigger Artice 5 of NATO?
If this was an attack on the United States, and ISIS claimed responsibility, there's almost no doubt in my mind that we'd have boots on the ground in within a month. Just like Afghanistan after 9/11.
But what about France? How will France respond?
Under Sarkozy, tomorrow. Depends how French public opinion goes. I bet US public opinion almost forces Obama's hand though. I doubt any of the contenders, even Sanders, will be able to object to force, but maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, yeah, France is our ally. If ISIS claimed responsibility, wouldn't that trigger Artice 5 of NATO?
Its possible. Article 5 was invoked after 9/11
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If this was an attack on the United States, and ISIS claimed responsibility, there's almost no doubt in my mind that we'd have boots on the ground in within a month. Just like Afghanistan after 9/11.
But what about France? How will France respond?
Under Sarkozy, tomorrow. Depends how French public opinion goes. I bet US public opinion almost forces Obama's hand though. I doubt any of the contenders, even Sanders, will be able to object to force, but maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, yeah, France is our ally. If ISIS claimed responsibility, wouldn't that trigger Artice 5 of NATO?
If this was an attack on the United States, and ISIS claimed responsibility, there's almost no doubt in my mind that we'd have boots on the ground in within a month. Just like Afghanistan after 9/11.
But what about France? How will France respond?
Under Sarkozy, tomorrow. Depends how French public opinion goes. I bet US public opinion almost forces Obama's hand though. I doubt any of the contenders, even Sanders, will be able to object to force, but maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, yeah, France is our ally. If ISIS claimed responsibility, wouldn't that trigger Artice 5 of NATO?
If this was ISIS, I don't see how we don't join France in a decisive response. You can't even call it a war because it isn't really a country. But the whole ISIS controlled area will see a lot of fire and bombings, I would expect.
Terrorism is such a horrible mentality. Hurting everyone so they fear you. And it's certainly going to work exactly as I'm sure they're hoping - increasing mistrust and violence.
It's not necessarily just about fear.
There are other motivations as well, such as Identity Assertion or the more nihilistic ushering in of a "new order".
There's also the chance that the purpose for this isn't attrition, but provocation. So any indiscriminate response towards, for example, the Syrian refugee population could be a desired outcome for the actors.
Well, let's not mince words. Islamist terrorists often have outright genocidal rhetoric and intentions. ISIS has proved that very well by murdering almost every male and turning every woman in Yazidi villages into a rape slave.
Some people in chat alluded to "Well, maybe this is due to France's not perfect treatment of minorities," but ignores the fact that plenty of these groups have absolute submission and/or genocide as explicit goals.
Nazis weren't just working through some issues, they wanted to eliminate European Jewry. They are a reasonable analogy in some respects.
Edit: It isn't proved it was Islamists, but, you know, let's be real here. The above still applies in a broader context anyhow.
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Wait this is an article 5 situation now?
I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
Boy, the French police are really on the ball. They've already set up a unit to take statements from witnesses and have asked them to call a number.
The statements about that band playing at the Bataclan are so sad. Their team still have no clue if the band and crew are alive. Apparently family members of the lead singer are saying he's contacted them to tell them he escaped though.
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I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
Not to mention Russia, who are still flying around on Assad's behalf bombing rebels.
This is going to be the largest push towards the right wing parties in Europe - at this point I'm having a hard time blaming people flocking to them.
Except those right wing parties aren't exactly blameless in all this.
How do you come to that conclusion?
The scapegoating, the stereotyping, the pushes to use the law to other people of other religions?
The right wing in Europe has been priming the powder keg.
Fuck. that. This is (probably) wahabi extremists that thinks it's perfectly fine targeting civilians because the western world tries to stop them from beheading people.
And honestly, religion is primary culprit in this - the right wing parties aren't forcing anyones hands in these kinds of attacks. It's being goddamn apologetic of the people perpetrating these attacks.
Radicalization of youth does not happen in a vacuum.
Policies and rhetoric, both domestic and foreign, that seem to disproportionately target a specific group will do that, though.
No one's being apologetic of the attackers. Whoever they were, whatever their motives, they perpetrated this and that blame rests on their shoulders and their shoulders alone. Creating the kind of climate that leads to these groups being so incredibly successful in recruitment, however, is a very different thing altogether.
While environmental influences like hateful rhetoric can be an influence, there is far more going on in radicalization than just a reaction to rhetoric. There's also negative identity, narcissistic rage, and factors like association with other already radicalized individuals etc.
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The French have badass anti-terror units. It is amazing ISIS (if it was them and lets be honest) got this far at all.
On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
Eh. On the one hand, it is ridiculous. OTOH, I'd wanted to be armed if some nihilistic, eliminationist terror group decided my theatre was the one to target. I give myself good odds in a shootout, less so when unarmed.
I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
Not to mention Russia, who are still flying around on Assad's behalf bombing rebels.
Aren't assad and isis pretty much sworn enemies? With the supposed bombing and downing of a Russian plane, this might get NATO and Russia on a somewhat similar page for a short while
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Boy, the French police are really on the ball. They've already set up a unit to take statements from witnesses and have asked them to call a number.
The statements about that band playing at the Bataclan are so sad. Their team still have no clue if the band and crew are alive. Apparently family members of the lead singer are saying he's contacted them to tell them he escaped though.
If the lead singer is referring to the Queens of the Stone Age guy, it's because he doesn't actually join the Eagles of Death Metal while on tour. So he wouldn't have been there in either case.
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"Grenades and bullets" according to a source quoting eyewitnesses and police on MSNBC right now, used to kill at least 100 people inside the theatre. Apparently it's a pretty horrific scene.
On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
I am imagining that there would be more people dead.
I'm late to this, but if I understand correctly, terrorists were firing indiscriminately. Cops had to go in immediately. They would have taken out any person with a gun, regardless of whether they were "good" or "bad."
I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
Not to mention Russia, who are still flying around on Assad's behalf bombing rebels.
Aren't assad and isis pretty much sworn enemies? With the supposed bombing and downing of a Russian plane, this might get NATO and Russia on a somewhat similar page for a short while
Christ I almost forgot about the plane.
Depending on just how far down the path of Article 5 we go, yeah Russia would probably find a temporary ally in NATO forces.
That said Russia obviously ain't playing the same game as the rest of us, so it might get a combined fuck off from NATO just as well.
I wonder how hard it is to make a bomb. In the USA bomb attacks seem exceedingly rare. Boston Marathon, McVeigh and World Trade Center are the only ones I can think of.
And the atlanta olympics? and lots of abortion clinics and black churches
It's not that hard, and in american history it isn't particularly uncommon. McVeigh and the World Trade Center were very large truck bombs, which are rare. Bombs similar in scale to the Boston Marathon bombing, though typically injuring fewer people? I would not call exceedingly rare.
edit: There's have been a fair number of organized crime related bombing/car bombing as well, I believe.
And just for the record, its not religion, 40 years ago these same people would have been killing in the name of Communism. Before that Pan-Arab Nationalism. Before that anti-colonialism. Before that Anti-Ottoman.
Anarchism, Comunism, National-socialism/Facism, Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, and the ever favorite my "ethnic origin is better then your ethnic origin".
There is always a cause and there is always some asshole that wants to write themselves into the History books using the blood of innocents as ink.
Islam is the excuse, murder is the reason.
No, I think these people really believe they are doing this in the name of their god, for the greater good. So I guess brainwashing is the reason, but they believe they are doing it for religious reasons.
That is way too much information for me to parse right now. How about you make your point yourself?
Alright, sorry; I just don't want to put words in Mr. Atran's mouth.
Most of the motivation is sparked by scapegoating, which can originate in secular circles as easily as religious circles. The objective of the attacks is as much about the galvanization as it is because of it; they aim to cement the idea that their culture (or what they see as their culture) can never be compatible with our own. They want us to believe that Islam is totally a dangerous religion and to force mutual alienation while at the same time convincing more Muslims that the west is always looking for an excuse to ostracize & kill them.
And we play along with this nonsense.
Now, refusing to play along would probably not end the violence on it's own, but it surely would be something of a step forward. Recruitment efforts undeniably operate off of the back of tragedy & poverty visited upon people in the Persian Gulf who happen to get caught in the crossfire when the west decides it needs to go try & play wartime superhero (and again, that is not a justification of these recruitment efforts - it is understanding why they happen and why they are successful).
On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
Eh. On the one hand, it is ridiculous. OTOH, I'd wanted to be armed if some nihilistic, eliminationist terror group decided my theatre was the one to target. I give myself good odds in a shootout, less so when unarmed.
It is using a tragedy, that was still currently happening, for political gain. It is disgusting.
I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
In April 2012, Turkish PM Erdogan considered invoking Article 5 of the NATO treaty to protect Turkish national security in a dispute over the Syrian Civil War.
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On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
Eh. On the one hand, it is ridiculous. OTOH, I'd wanted to be armed if some nihilistic, eliminationist terror group decided my theatre was the one to target. I give myself good odds in a shootout, less so when unarmed.
It is using a tragedy, that was still currently happening, for political gain. It is disgusting.
as if that hasn't happened throughout history. condemn the man for supporting the sorts of gun laws he does along with all his other hypocritical bullshit, not because he's done something literally every politician since the roman era has done (exploiting a crisis for a potential political gain)
On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
To bad his fucking slimy reptilian ass wasn't there.
Boy, the French police are really on the ball. They've already set up a unit to take statements from witnesses and have asked them to call a number.
The statements about that band playing at the Bataclan are so sad. Their team still have no clue if the band and crew are alive. Apparently family members of the lead singer are saying he's contacted them to tell them he escaped though.
If the lead singer is referring to the Queens of the Stone Age guy, it's because he doesn't actually join the Eagles of Death Metal while on tour. So he wouldn't have been there in either case.
PARIS --
The lead singer of a Southern California band escaped a Paris concert hall after gunmen attacked on Friday, a relative told KESQ-TV.
The Eagles of Death Metal were playing a show at the Bataclan, a well-known theater in Paris, when gunmen killed dozens of people and took many hostages.
Jesse Hughes, the front-man for the band, was on stage when the gunmen entered the concert through multiple doors, a relative told KESQ.
MORE: At least 50 dead in Paris terror attacks
The relative said Hughes was able to escape out a backstage door.
KESQ reports Hughes is safe and at a Paris police station, but other members of his band remain missing.
Josh Homme, the drummer for the Eagles of Death Metal and singer of Queens of the Stone Age, was not playing with the Eagles of Death Metal at the time of the attack.
I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
Not to mention Russia, who are still flying around on Assad's behalf bombing rebels.
Aren't assad and isis pretty much sworn enemies? With the supposed bombing and downing of a Russian plane, this might get NATO and Russia on a somewhat similar page for a short while
Assad arguably wants ISIS to 'succeed' (in a way) in Syria to make the West's choice in Syria a choice between Assad and ISIS. In that situation, the West chooses Assad.
Getting Russia on the same page re: Syria is probably not the biggest issue. Russia just wants Syria to remain an ally, and Assad is not necessary for that (although it is unlikely that a new Syrian government would be friendly with Russia because of their support for Assad, it's possible). The bigger issue that is hard to rectify is Iran, who would oppose non-Alawite leadership in Syria (and if we replace Assad with another Alawite, it's hard to imagine we've solved the problem...)
FYI folks Facebooks Safety Check feature is working for this thing. If you know anyone who might be in the area they should check in to let people know they're safe
On the Reddit live feed saw a tweet from Newt Gingrich saying something along the lines of "imagine if these people were able to have concealed weapons inside the Bataclan Theatre". The nerve of some people.
To bad his fucking slimy reptilian ass wasn't there.
Too bad Erdogan wasn't there. He's an honorary member of ISIS at this point, anyways.
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And just for the record, its not religion, 40 years ago these same people would have been killing in the name of Communism. Before that Pan-Arab Nationalism. Before that anti-colonialism. Before that Anti-Ottoman.
Anarchism, Comunism, National-socialism/Facism, Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, and the ever favorite my "ethnic origin is better then your ethnic origin".
There is always a cause and there is always some asshole that wants to write themselves into the History books using the blood of innocents as ink.
Islam is the excuse, murder is the reason.
No, I think these people really believe they are doing this in the name of their god, for the greater good. So I guess brainwashing is the reason, but they believe they are doing it for religious reasons.
That is way too much information for me to parse right now. How about you make your point yourself?
Alright, sorry; I just don't want to put words in Mr. Atran's mouth.
Most of the motivation is sparked by scapegoating, which can originate in secular circles as easily as religious circles. The objective of the attacks is as much about the galvanization as it is because of it; they aim to cement the idea that their culture (or what they see as their culture) can never be compatible with our own. They want us to believe that Islam is totally a dangerous religion and to force mutual alienation while at the same time convincing more Muslims that the west is always looking for an excuse to ostracize & kill them.
And we play along with this nonsense.
Now, refusing to play along would probably not end the violence on it's own, but it surely would be something of a step forward. Recruitment efforts undeniably operate off of the back of tragedy & poverty visited upon people in the Persian Gulf who happen to get caught in the crossfire when the west decides it needs to go try & play wartime superhero (and again, that is not a justification of these recruitment efforts - it is understanding why they happen and why they are successful).
I disagree. The attacks would not happen if horrible mass murders didn't decide to devout time into planning to kill many people in cold blood. I don't think that it is ok to leave that out. Abstracting it into a political tactic like that makes it seem like they are more than mass murders that murdered lots of people in cold blood.
Forget the word monster. Call them terrible people. I don't care about that part. My point is just that when you start talking about what action or activity by the French government or the western world was a cause of the attack or a motivation for it, you create a narrative where there is a reasonable relationship between the two. They people are not killing innocents because of a thing that someone else did, because a reasonable person never reacts like that. These people are killing because they are terrible people, and they don't deserve the air of legitimacy that ascribing a motive other than "to kill people" may imply. These are mass murderers, no freedom fighters or members of a movement. They are just mass murderers. They don't deserve to be viewed as anything more than that.
I'm just left with the feeling that we are all monsters. This spiral of uncaring death and destruction we find ourselves in would suggest nothing less. What can we do? Deport millions of people? Give billions of dollars to try and improve the lives of people who need our help, but are willing to destroy democracy and kill others to get it? Just put a dictator in charge and let them decide for us?
I don't like this kind of perspective because it leaves out how much better we have become over time. Humans may suck a lot but a glance at history says there is some hope. Slavery abolished. Women's rights supported. Torture abandoned. We may suck but we suck a lot less. Past performance no guarantee of future results but I'm optimistic.
Yeah, we all seem super nice to each other when we have plenty of resources and money and things are going great. As far as I can see the last decade has showed that the moment the party runs out of snacks we all just start butchering each other.
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Apparently they where shooting and tossing explosives into groups of hostages.
I don't like this kind of perspective because it leaves out how much better we have become over time. Humans may suck a lot but a glance at history says there is some hope. Slavery abolished. Women's rights supported. Torture abandoned. We may suck but we suck a lot less. Past performance no guarantee of future results but I'm optimistic.
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NATO has already vowed support for France
Its possible. Article 5 was invoked after 9/11
If this was ISIS, I don't see how we don't join France in a decisive response. You can't even call it a war because it isn't really a country. But the whole ISIS controlled area will see a lot of fire and bombings, I would expect.
Well, let's not mince words. Islamist terrorists often have outright genocidal rhetoric and intentions. ISIS has proved that very well by murdering almost every male and turning every woman in Yazidi villages into a rape slave.
Some people in chat alluded to "Well, maybe this is due to France's not perfect treatment of minorities," but ignores the fact that plenty of these groups have absolute submission and/or genocide as explicit goals.
Nazis weren't just working through some issues, they wanted to eliminate European Jewry. They are a reasonable analogy in some respects.
Edit: It isn't proved it was Islamists, but, you know, let's be real here. The above still applies in a broader context anyhow.
I don't want to draw attention away from this absolutely horrid situation but Turkey has just found itself in a super complicated position if that's the case.
The statements about that band playing at the Bataclan are so sad. Their team still have no clue if the band and crew are alive. Apparently family members of the lead singer are saying he's contacted them to tell them he escaped though.
Not to mention Russia, who are still flying around on Assad's behalf bombing rebels.
While environmental influences like hateful rhetoric can be an influence, there is far more going on in radicalization than just a reaction to rhetoric. There's also negative identity, narcissistic rage, and factors like association with other already radicalized individuals etc.
Eh. On the one hand, it is ridiculous. OTOH, I'd wanted to be armed if some nihilistic, eliminationist terror group decided my theatre was the one to target. I give myself good odds in a shootout, less so when unarmed.
Aren't assad and isis pretty much sworn enemies? With the supposed bombing and downing of a Russian plane, this might get NATO and Russia on a somewhat similar page for a short while
If the lead singer is referring to the Queens of the Stone Age guy, it's because he doesn't actually join the Eagles of Death Metal while on tour. So he wouldn't have been there in either case.
I am imagining that there would be more people dead.
I'm late to this, but if I understand correctly, terrorists were firing indiscriminately. Cops had to go in immediately. They would have taken out any person with a gun, regardless of whether they were "good" or "bad."
Cuz, you know, apparently they thought the real news was a bit slow and wasn't dramatic enough or something...
Christ I almost forgot about the plane.
Depending on just how far down the path of Article 5 we go, yeah Russia would probably find a temporary ally in NATO forces.
That said Russia obviously ain't playing the same game as the rest of us, so it might get a combined fuck off from NATO just as well.
And the atlanta olympics? and lots of abortion clinics and black churches
It's not that hard, and in american history it isn't particularly uncommon. McVeigh and the World Trade Center were very large truck bombs, which are rare. Bombs similar in scale to the Boston Marathon bombing, though typically injuring fewer people? I would not call exceedingly rare.
edit: There's have been a fair number of organized crime related bombing/car bombing as well, I believe.
Alright, sorry; I just don't want to put words in Mr. Atran's mouth.
Most of the motivation is sparked by scapegoating, which can originate in secular circles as easily as religious circles. The objective of the attacks is as much about the galvanization as it is because of it; they aim to cement the idea that their culture (or what they see as their culture) can never be compatible with our own. They want us to believe that Islam is totally a dangerous religion and to force mutual alienation while at the same time convincing more Muslims that the west is always looking for an excuse to ostracize & kill them.
And we play along with this nonsense.
Now, refusing to play along would probably not end the violence on it's own, but it surely would be something of a step forward. Recruitment efforts undeniably operate off of the back of tragedy & poverty visited upon people in the Persian Gulf who happen to get caught in the crossfire when the west decides it needs to go try & play wartime superhero (and again, that is not a justification of these recruitment efforts - it is understanding why they happen and why they are successful).
It is using a tragedy, that was still currently happening, for political gain. It is disgusting.
Just brushing up a bit on its invocation in the past...
Seems that Turkey wanted to invoke NATO to intervene in Syria, at least back in 2012 when the civil war began
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#Article_5
as if that hasn't happened throughout history. condemn the man for supporting the sorts of gun laws he does along with all his other hypocritical bullshit, not because he's done something literally every politician since the roman era has done (exploiting a crisis for a potential political gain)
To bad his fucking slimy reptilian ass wasn't there.
I am very tempted to go to bed and forget tonight exists and yet I know I won't sleep.
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Yeah I'm going back to Fallout 4. I have a dog that kills super mutants.
Getting Russia on the same page re: Syria is probably not the biggest issue. Russia just wants Syria to remain an ally, and Assad is not necessary for that (although it is unlikely that a new Syrian government would be friendly with Russia because of their support for Assad, it's possible). The bigger issue that is hard to rectify is Iran, who would oppose non-Alawite leadership in Syria (and if we replace Assad with another Alawite, it's hard to imagine we've solved the problem...)
Wow, fuck you too, dude.
Just FYI, tsunami alerts happen all of the time.
Mostly such waves aren't especially dangerous.
Too bad Erdogan wasn't there. He's an honorary member of ISIS at this point, anyways.
I disagree. The attacks would not happen if horrible mass murders didn't decide to devout time into planning to kill many people in cold blood. I don't think that it is ok to leave that out. Abstracting it into a political tactic like that makes it seem like they are more than mass murders that murdered lots of people in cold blood.
Newt Gingrich
Judith "I Helped Burned a CIA Operative, Ha Ha Ha" Miller
Rob Lowe (who I somehow missed as being a fucking asswipe of a person)
Yeah, we all seem super nice to each other when we have plenty of resources and money and things are going great. As far as I can see the last decade has showed that the moment the party runs out of snacks we all just start butchering each other.
Hmm... Dogmeat can't be killed... so... console command setscale 10.
Send to ISIS, order to kill.
Oh, if only.
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Also, planes are landing and some are even taking off, so the borders aren't really all that closed.
Apparently Belgium has just closed their borders though.
I know, the logical part of me is trying to be logical about it. The rest of me is like that PanicOhNos gif.
Does he mean the borders should have been closed an hour ago or years ago?