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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular

    we were talking about this kinda at work today

    the short version of my conclusion from that conversation is that most people are incapable of nuanced thought and this line of reasoning leads otherwise-rational people to become islamophobes very quickly

    Wait, are you arguing with this line of reasoning or saying why perhaps it is hard to use to argue?

    I think it is a correct line of reasoning

    I think that most people hear "ISIS = Islamic" and their next thought is "Islam = terrorists"

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    is google fucking up for anyone else right now?

    i'm having a lot of trouble with my google drive.

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular

    we were talking about this kinda at work today

    the short version of my conclusion from that conversation is that most people are incapable of nuanced thought and this line of reasoning leads otherwise-rational people to become islamophobes very quickly

    Wait, are you arguing with this line of reasoning or saying why perhaps it is hard to use to argue?

    I think it is a correct line of reasoning

    I think that most people hear "ISIS = Islamic" and their next thought is "Islam = terrorists"

    Ah yeah, I agree

    Come on people think more simultaneous thoughts

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    I'm not sure I understand the nuance of a phrase like 'you aren't entitled to a trial if you did so and so'

    Isn't the purpose of a trial to determine whether you did so and so

    Seems like, restated, you could say 'you don't deserve a trial if you're accused of so and so'

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular

    we were talking about this kinda at work today

    the short version of my conclusion from that conversation is that most people are incapable of nuanced thought and this line of reasoning leads otherwise-rational people to become islamophobes very quickly

    Wait, are you arguing with this line of reasoning or saying why perhaps it is hard to use to argue?

    I think it is a correct line of reasoning

    I think that most people hear "ISIS = Islamic" and their next thought is "Islam = terrorists"

    Ah yeah, I agree

    Come on people think more simultaneous thoughts

    i have enough trouble formulating ONE thought at a time don't expect me to I'm hungry i should get some food

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    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular

    we were talking about this kinda at work today

    the short version of my conclusion from that conversation is that most people are incapable of nuanced thought and this line of reasoning leads otherwise-rational people to become islamophobes very quickly

    Wait, are you arguing with this line of reasoning or saying why perhaps it is hard to use to argue?

    I think it is a correct line of reasoning

    I think that most people hear "ISIS = Islamic" and their next thought is "Islam = terrorists"

    Ah yeah, I agree

    Come on people think more simultaneous thoughts

    i have enough trouble formulating ONE thought at a time don't expect me to I'm hungry i should get some food

    My work will not be done until people can hold four simultaneous thoughts

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular

    we were talking about this kinda at work today

    the short version of my conclusion from that conversation is that most people are incapable of nuanced thought and this line of reasoning leads otherwise-rational people to become islamophobes very quickly

    Wait, are you arguing with this line of reasoning or saying why perhaps it is hard to use to argue?

    I think it is a correct line of reasoning

    I think that most people hear "ISIS = Islamic" and their next thought is "Islam = terrorists"

    Ah yeah, I agree

    Come on people think more simultaneous thoughts

    i have enough trouble formulating ONE thought at a time don't expect me to I'm hungry i should get some food

    My work will not be done until people can hold four simultaneous thoughts

    timecube = mindcube

    C8Ft8GE.jpg
    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
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    I finished that riven

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    I'm not sure I understand the nuance of a phrase like 'you aren't entitled to a trial if you did so and so'

    Isn't the purpose of a trial to determine whether you did so and so

    Seems like, restated, you could say 'you don't deserve a trial if you're accused of so and so'

    No smoke without fire Chu, there must be a good reason to accuse them.

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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
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    Organichu wrote: »
    I'm not sure I understand the nuance of a phrase like 'you aren't entitled to a trial if you did so and so'

    Isn't the purpose of a trial to determine whether you did so and so

    Seems like, restated, you could say 'you don't deserve a trial if you're accused of so and so'

    it seems like if someone does something especially heinous we should want them to be citizens

    so that we can arrest, prosecute, and imprison them

    it is even more legally murky to do that to someone who was once your citizen and then you unilaterally decided they weren't anymore!

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Ugh.......... I'm having tons of trouble connecting with google.

    What the hell can cause that?

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Yo BC that colour change at the tip of the hair is awesome <3

    Oh brilliant
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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    holy shit BC that is incredible!

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    LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular
    Do they still like porn as much as alqaeda? I don't know how you could join any organization without porn.

    I am sure that some people partake, given human nature

    But the organization clearly does not, and based on the article I read, a lot of the reason so many people have rushed to join ISIS is that they're, well, actual religious fanatics that take adherence to the core text of the Qur'an, in the context of the 6th/7th century political and social conditions under which it was written/received, very seriously.

    It's one of the reasons they've had so much success with middleclass privileged westerners who go over to fight.

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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    can I awesome that like twenty times

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Posture-problems. I don't notice that I'm leaning back too much until it hurts.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I finally finished reading the article Echo posted in the France thread

    tl;dr ISIS appears to actually be motivated by religion and religious goals, unlike other organizations such as Al-Qaeda where religion is secondary and goals are generally speaking, secular

    we were talking about this kinda at work today

    the short version of my conclusion from that conversation is that most people are incapable of nuanced thought and this line of reasoning leads otherwise-rational people to become islamophobes very quickly

    Wait, are you arguing with this line of reasoning or saying why perhaps it is hard to use to argue?

    I think it is a correct line of reasoning

    I think that most people hear "ISIS = Islamic" and their next thought is "Islam = terrorists"

    Ah yeah, I agree

    Come on people think more simultaneous thoughts

    i have enough trouble formulating ONE thought at a time don't expect me to I'm hungry i should get some food

    My work will not be done until people can hold four simultaneous thoughts

    timecube = mindcube

    Buttcube.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    I'm not sure I understand the nuance of a phrase like 'you aren't entitled to a trial if you did so and so'

    Isn't the purpose of a trial to determine whether you did so and so

    Seems like, restated, you could say 'you don't deserve a trial if you're accused of so and so'

    That is what it means, yes.

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    Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    COMPLIMENTS

    AA

    THANK YOU


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    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    COMPLIMENTS

    AA

    THANK YOU


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    this is fucking ridiculous



    ly cute.

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY @Organichu

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    PSN/XBL: Zampanov -- Steam: Zampanov
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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Zampanov wrote: »
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY @Organichu

    My people need me

    *wanders off to the land of the castrati*

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
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    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2015
    Cleric, I... I'm a Riven main

    *blushu*

    Organichu on
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    bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    Ladyroar finally got the chance to finish Thunderlord's nursery art.

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    bloodyroarxx on
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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    Do me a flavor

    Post the OK angel comic

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    BeNarwhal wrote: »
    Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:

    Article 3

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 6

    Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7

    All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 9

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10

    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 12 is fascinating, btw:

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 15

    1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 25

    (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.

    I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    That's a good scale Korea

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    BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    Man, I need more inspiring homeless stories to compete with the awesomes that BC's art gets <3

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    RonaldoTheGypsyRonaldoTheGypsy Yes, yes Registered User regular
    Going to chop some monsters in Fallout 4 because why not:

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    Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
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    happy birthday @Organichu !!

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
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    BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    BeNarwhal wrote: »
    Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:

    Article 3

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 6

    Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7

    All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 9

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10

    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 12 is fascinating, btw:

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 15

    1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 25

    (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.

    I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.

    *nod nod*

    And I didn't see it in there, specifically, although there is both an acknowledgement of the family as the primary social unit, deserving of the utmost rights and privileges, and an article specifying the right to own property and not to lose it arbitrarily (which makes things like Eminent Domain interesting).

    To be honest, I'm not sure whether that's an oversight, something they feel is adequately defined within other articles, or something simply outside the scope of the document. (though that third would seem a particularly sloppy excuse / defense)

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    BeNarwhal wrote: »
    Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:

    Article 3

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 6

    Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7

    All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 9

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10

    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 12 is fascinating, btw:

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 15

    1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 25

    (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.

    I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.

    Are those enshrined in our constitution somewhere, or any similar document you can think of?

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
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    Tav on
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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    This controller has so many buttons and dongles. I am but a simple consoler. What am I to do.

    Make sure you install the Xbox accessories app.

    @elki on my phone or Xbox? I think it is automatically installed. I configured my controller and am re downloading fallout. These bottom most paddles kind of get in the way. May just use the top ones. Whatever triggers sprint will be mapped to one!

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    I mean, can you blame the guy

    Who wants a kid that listens to Radiohead

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    bleric it... it's beautiful

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    japanese dads have a unique ability to emote shame

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    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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