See, my entire season 1 Finn experience was "he's really not that bad aside for that episode 1 thing that is remarkably inconsistent with his character past that point"
See, my entire season 1 Finn experience was "he's really not that bad aside for that episode 1 thing that is remarkably inconsistent with his character past that point"
Then season 2 happened
Same exact thing with Laurel Lance over on Arrow. At this point in Season 4 she's managed to start climbing out of that hole, but she's using a shovel, so it's slow going.
Finn won't be digging himself out of the hole he's in.
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Full thoughts on Finn (100 spoilers through S2E9)
Part of what I really like about Finn's arc is that it is a reversal of a more traditional arc that you may expect in these circumstances.
Finn starts off as the cool delinquent. While Clarke was imprisoned for noble political reasons, and Octavia for reasons of the totalitarian government, Finn was imprisoned because he did something dumb and goofy. He went on a spacewalk without permission. It's not a crime of necessity, or a crime of passion, or anything like that. It's a crime that he committed because he thought it would be fun.
And then in the first episode, he keeps being a cool delinquent. He unstraps himself while they're descending, and he's so cool that two others try to emulate him, and get killed in the process. But that's his whole thing. He manages to con his way into the initial triumvirate not with military might (Bellamy) or political importance (Clarke), but because he's a man of the people.
And as season one progresses, we learn that he's not actually even a bad guy. He's a cool dude with a heart of gold. He's everything we expect from our eighties teen movies, and Clarke falling for him as a foregone conclusion because of that.
Only, as times get tougher and tougher, his happy-go-lucky nature becomes harder and harder to maintain. He's the populist leader, and part of that means that he never wants to disappoint any of the people he leads. He doesn't want to make hard decisions, or hurt anyone, because that would be a threat to his power base. So he leaves that work to Clarke, or (more realistically) Bellamy.
By the end of season one and beginning of season two, we see his lack of pragmatism towards his own people begin to transform. Despite being the one who was initially the most into trying to negotiate with the Grounders, he becomes more and more actively hostile towards them, as his people become more and more threatened. He's still a man of the people, but now it's his people above everyone else. So while he may lead a Reaper attack on the Grounders, he is also going to attempt to rescue any Ark survivors he possibly can. This culminates, of course, in his one man recreation of My Lai, in which his developing xenophobia and his fear for what has happened to his people come head to head.
But in that moment, he's not a cool soldier. He's a scared kid. He's panicking, he's trying to reason with them, but he can't do it.
Because, as we learn in the flashbacks from his final episode, he was never that cool. He was never a fun loving delinquent - that's all false bravado from when he tried to do something romantic for his girlfriend. He's a dopey romantic who has been coasting on the public perception that he's cool this whole time, and it's finally come crashing down around him.
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Okay back to X-Files
What was Mulder doing this whole time? He seems to be back to agent status now but in the premiere Skinner didn't even know how to get a hold of him
Okay back to X-Files
What was Mulder doing this whole time? He seems to be back to agent status now but in the premiere Skinner didn't even know how to get a hold of him
Well internet porn became a major thing in the years since the show's been off the air.
Wait. How long until we revisit Mulder's porn addiction in the new series?
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Humbug is real good
The Sheriff is especially great
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Why I fear the ocean.
Does every CW show have to have a Laurel in it?
Then season 2 happened
To compensate, here's the actors trying to sing the theme song
Welcome to the first episode written by the man in the Flukeman costume. He has so many great things in store for you.
Clarke
Jaha the younger
... hmm less than I thought
Most of them I don't think are outright bad
I wouldn't call him a bad character
I was actually just talking last night about how fond I am of his arc
Clarke rules
I guess Wells wasn't great but he didn't leave much of an impression.
Finn managed to somehow be two entirely different characters in seasons 1 and 2 and was the worst as both.
S2E8 spoilers
What the hell?
jesus.
What the fuck
Are you saying he should be higher or lower?
In the words of my brother
Fire the Editor. Campy I guess. I don't see it making it more than 10 episodes before they flush it
Finn starts off as the cool delinquent. While Clarke was imprisoned for noble political reasons, and Octavia for reasons of the totalitarian government, Finn was imprisoned because he did something dumb and goofy. He went on a spacewalk without permission. It's not a crime of necessity, or a crime of passion, or anything like that. It's a crime that he committed because he thought it would be fun.
And then in the first episode, he keeps being a cool delinquent. He unstraps himself while they're descending, and he's so cool that two others try to emulate him, and get killed in the process. But that's his whole thing. He manages to con his way into the initial triumvirate not with military might (Bellamy) or political importance (Clarke), but because he's a man of the people.
And as season one progresses, we learn that he's not actually even a bad guy. He's a cool dude with a heart of gold. He's everything we expect from our eighties teen movies, and Clarke falling for him as a foregone conclusion because of that.
Only, as times get tougher and tougher, his happy-go-lucky nature becomes harder and harder to maintain. He's the populist leader, and part of that means that he never wants to disappoint any of the people he leads. He doesn't want to make hard decisions, or hurt anyone, because that would be a threat to his power base. So he leaves that work to Clarke, or (more realistically) Bellamy.
By the end of season one and beginning of season two, we see his lack of pragmatism towards his own people begin to transform. Despite being the one who was initially the most into trying to negotiate with the Grounders, he becomes more and more actively hostile towards them, as his people become more and more threatened. He's still a man of the people, but now it's his people above everyone else. So while he may lead a Reaper attack on the Grounders, he is also going to attempt to rescue any Ark survivors he possibly can. This culminates, of course, in his one man recreation of My Lai, in which his developing xenophobia and his fear for what has happened to his people come head to head.
But in that moment, he's not a cool soldier. He's a scared kid. He's panicking, he's trying to reason with them, but he can't do it.
Because, as we learn in the flashbacks from his final episode, he was never that cool. He was never a fun loving delinquent - that's all false bravado from when he tried to do something romantic for his girlfriend. He's a dopey romantic who has been coasting on the public perception that he's cool this whole time, and it's finally come crashing down around him.
I like how they made a reference to it on the latest Supernatural.
Rose McIver was a Power Ranger?
She's also in the first season of Masters of Sex.
Ya know, if you're curious
I really liked her back story for her character and really that whole series in general.
You had my curiosity
But now you have my attention
What was Mulder doing this whole time? He seems to be back to agent status now but in the premiere Skinner didn't even know how to get a hold of him
Well internet porn became a major thing in the years since the show's been off the air.
Wait. How long until we revisit Mulder's porn addiction in the new series?
And was also a young Xena!
I think something like that could do pretty well over here.
From what I've seen, the "do they know things" part takes a far back seat to the "be silly and improvise" part and that's what makes them fun.
I love this episode, and that bit in particular, so much.