The article dude annoys me a bit because he should not be talking about quantum mechanics
The idea that what we’re doing is measuring publicly accessible objects, the idea that objectivity results from the fact that you and I can measure the same object in the exact same situation and get the same results — it’s very clear from quantum mechanics that that idea has to go. Physics tells us that there are no public physical objects.
it's that super common complete misunderstanding of what "observe" means. The reason you and I can't measure the same electron twice is that it's not in the same situation once I've observed it because I had to do stuff to it.
This is infuriating to me. Particles are changed by observation because to observe them you need to physically interact with them. This is not some magic property of the human mind shaping reality.
The use of "observe" as implying some kind of mind or consciousness is one of the classic blunders.
I have a sneaking suspicion it might be the result of shoddy translations into English.
Some further reading suggests that specific conscious observation is somewhat embedded even in the field. That seems like silly mysticism.
Also apparently no one can even agree what the Copenhagen interpretation, succinctly, is.
The article dude annoys me a bit because he should not be talking about quantum mechanics
The idea that what we’re doing is measuring publicly accessible objects, the idea that objectivity results from the fact that you and I can measure the same object in the exact same situation and get the same results — it’s very clear from quantum mechanics that that idea has to go. Physics tells us that there are no public physical objects.
it's that super common complete misunderstanding of what "observe" means. The reason you and I can't measure the same electron twice is that it's not in the same situation once I've observed it because I had to do stuff to it.
This is infuriating to me. Particles are changed by observation because to observe them you need to physically interact with them. This is not some magic property of the human mind shaping reality.
The use of "observe" as implying some kind of mind or consciousness is one of the classic blunders.
I have a sneaking suspicion it might be the result of shoddy translations into English.
The texts I used tended towards "measure"
Which isn't really any better
As far as I understand it's simply any event that precludes a given range of outcomes
Usually it is meant that the quantum system being studied, which for practical but not theoretical reasons is probably very small, interacts with something outside that quantum system in a non-reversible way. EG: it interacted with some part of an apparatus or a particle that (for the sake of difficulty of the maths) is not considered to be part of the quantum system in question.
If you expanded the quantum system so you are tracking both the "observed" and the "observer" (and remember both of those might be a single quark) then you can track the whole thing as a quantum system without the need for "measurement". Problem is the difficulty of the math involved increases very quickly with the number of things you are considering in the system.
The article dude annoys me a bit because he should not be talking about quantum mechanics
The idea that what we’re doing is measuring publicly accessible objects, the idea that objectivity results from the fact that you and I can measure the same object in the exact same situation and get the same results — it’s very clear from quantum mechanics that that idea has to go. Physics tells us that there are no public physical objects.
it's that super common complete misunderstanding of what "observe" means. The reason you and I can't measure the same electron twice is that it's not in the same situation once I've observed it because I had to do stuff to it.
This is infuriating to me. Particles are changed by observation because to observe them you need to physically interact with them. This is not some magic property of the human mind shaping reality.
The use of "observe" as implying some kind of mind or consciousness is one of the classic blunders.
I have a sneaking suspicion it might be the result of shoddy translations into English.
or at the very least shoddy translation from scientist to layman
Speaking up. Police are about a mile down the road with a swat team and negotiator because someone has barricaded themselves inside a home and threatening bodily harm upon themselves.
Its in a really busy area so it's getting a lot of attention
time to put on the tights again Dewback
Fat guy in tights arrested on ATL Highway near current police situation
Sent in for psychiatric evaluation
How fat?
*swallows*
How...tight?
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I think Schrödinger's Cat conversations are my least favourite ones. It's always what johnny drop out wants to talk to you about when he hears you're a physicist. And they always think they understand it so don't fucking listen and decide to argue.
Fortunately as a registered physicist if I beat somebody to death on those grounds I'm not chargeable with any offence
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The article dude annoys me a bit because he should not be talking about quantum mechanics
The idea that what we’re doing is measuring publicly accessible objects, the idea that objectivity results from the fact that you and I can measure the same object in the exact same situation and get the same results — it’s very clear from quantum mechanics that that idea has to go. Physics tells us that there are no public physical objects.
it's that super common complete misunderstanding of what "observe" means. The reason you and I can't measure the same electron twice is that it's not in the same situation once I've observed it because I had to do stuff to it.
This is infuriating to me. Particles are changed by observation because to observe them you need to physically interact with them. This is not some magic property of the human mind shaping reality.
The use of "observe" as implying some kind of mind or consciousness is one of the classic blunders.
I have a sneaking suspicion it might be the result of shoddy translations into English.
Some further reading suggests that specific conscious observation is somewhat embedded even in the field. That seems like silly mysticism.
Also apparently no one can even agree what the Copenhagen interpretation, succinctly, is.
Yeah. Arguing about interpretations is dumb anyways. By definition an interpretation is just putting a thin layer of fluff onto an existing physical theory. If the fluff made any difference whatsoever to reality then it would be a different theory.
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OnTheLastCastlelet's keep it haimish for the peripateticRegistered Userregular
that page all about estranged parents is terrifying and fascinating to me. i can't help but reread it over and over from time to time. the ability to self justify and instantly warp any narrative/ignore what happened just blows my mind. if only i could harness this power and my horrible decisions weren't my fault and everyone else was at fault...
it is both my definition of evil and incredibly seductive as a possible means to escape this daily wish to not exist. though i know they're not actually happy, more like the furthest thing from it, whereas i have lots of happy moments.
*taps chin, lays down under desk*
There is a happiness about self awareness that most people do not really try to grasp, I think.
i had a coworker before who was in her mid 50s and it was all nonstop drama and nothing was ever her fault
it was breathtaking to behold
I have a co-worker like this. Not like, super bad, but very "why is drama always around me" and joking that she is cursed because weird things keep happening to her.
the one constant through life is you
Yeah.
Again, there are totally outliers, but if everyone is X, where X is a personality trait or social interaction, apply Occam's razor.
though sometimes you do just go on a series of increasingly crazier dates
>_>
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
You can be totally unlucky or whatever, but if we assume you create relationships in the same way as everyone else, random sampling over large numbers should create relatively even drama distributions. If you are played by drama, either you got super unlucky in your pool and everyone else got super lucky, or you are not operating in the same manner as low drama individuals. One of those is much easier to swallow than the other, though.
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Oh dang some sweet insert coin bundles on sale. Go run and hide wallet.
I don't really like gamery stuff but they've got some damn cool stuff that somehow doesn't scream yo this is a videogame t-shirt. Fuckin' love my dumb Solaire of Astoria t-shirt so much.
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OnTheLastCastlelet's keep it haimish for the peripateticRegistered Userregular
that page all about estranged parents is terrifying and fascinating to me. i can't help but reread it over and over from time to time. the ability to self justify and instantly warp any narrative/ignore what happened just blows my mind. if only i could harness this power and my horrible decisions weren't my fault and everyone else was at fault...
it is both my definition of evil and incredibly seductive as a possible means to escape this daily wish to not exist. though i know they're not actually happy, more like the furthest thing from it, whereas i have lots of happy moments.
*taps chin, lays down under desk*
There is a happiness about self awareness that most people do not really try to grasp, I think.
i had a coworker before who was in her mid 50s and it was all nonstop drama and nothing was ever her fault
it was breathtaking to behold
I have a co-worker like this. Not like, super bad, but very "why is drama always around me" and joking that she is cursed because weird things keep happening to her.
the one constant through life is you
Yeah.
Again, there are totally outliers, but if everyone is X, where X is a personality trait or social interaction, apply Occam's razor.
though sometimes you do just go on a series of increasingly crazier dates
>_>
Yes
But you know rad people exist, at least
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hahaha. You almost got me, IT Security. I've been waiting for my financial documentation for FY 2015.
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OnTheLastCastlelet's keep it haimish for the peripateticRegistered Userregular
Hidden variables are appealing because it would match the pattern of previous discovery in physics, and people like the idea that reality continues to function in a deterministic, logical fashion but the quantum level is simply a threshold for measurement behind which we have not managed to go.
I don't know enough about quantum mechanics to even make up some bullshit theory, but I think both positions are understandable in the abstract.
that page all about estranged parents is terrifying and fascinating to me. i can't help but reread it over and over from time to time. the ability to self justify and instantly warp any narrative/ignore what happened just blows my mind. if only i could harness this power and my horrible decisions weren't my fault and everyone else was at fault...
it is both my definition of evil and incredibly seductive as a possible means to escape this daily wish to not exist. though i know they're not actually happy, more like the furthest thing from it, whereas i have lots of happy moments.
*taps chin, lays down under desk*
There is a happiness about self awareness that most people do not really try to grasp, I think.
i had a coworker before who was in her mid 50s and it was all nonstop drama and nothing was ever her fault
it was breathtaking to behold
I have a co-worker like this. Not like, super bad, but very "why is drama always around me" and joking that she is cursed because weird things keep happening to her.
the one constant through life is you
Yeah.
Again, there are totally outliers, but if everyone is X, where X is a personality trait or social interaction, apply Occam's razor.
though sometimes you do just go on a series of increasingly crazier dates
>_>
Yes
But you know rad people exist, at least
yes, i've also had lots of excellent dates and relationships. nod nod.
that page all about estranged parents is terrifying and fascinating to me. i can't help but reread it over and over from time to time. the ability to self justify and instantly warp any narrative/ignore what happened just blows my mind. if only i could harness this power and my horrible decisions weren't my fault and everyone else was at fault...
it is both my definition of evil and incredibly seductive as a possible means to escape this daily wish to not exist. though i know they're not actually happy, more like the furthest thing from it, whereas i have lots of happy moments.
*taps chin, lays down under desk*
There is a happiness about self awareness that most people do not really try to grasp, I think.
i had a coworker before who was in her mid 50s and it was all nonstop drama and nothing was ever her fault
it was breathtaking to behold
I have a co-worker like this. Not like, super bad, but very "why is drama always around me" and joking that she is cursed because weird things keep happening to her.
the one constant through life is you
Yeah.
Again, there are totally outliers, but if everyone is X, where X is a personality trait or social interaction, apply Occam's razor.
though sometimes you do just go on a series of increasingly crazier dates
>_>
Yes
But you know rad people exist, at least
yes, i've also had lots of excellent dates and relationships. nod nod.
Can you really call them excellent if you didn't choke a stranger?
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One of the things about being on the receiving end of gaslighting is that it's pretty terrifying how easy it is in the situation. It's usually paired with other attacks on self-confidence so they tend to amplify things. I kept a journal for a while but that ended up being more harm then good.
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Some further reading suggests that specific conscious observation is somewhat embedded even in the field. That seems like silly mysticism.
Also apparently no one can even agree what the Copenhagen interpretation, succinctly, is.
Yes
Although for quantum stuff people are generally really reluctant to let go of hidden variable theories
I remember that being one of the things that caused ege to uncharacteristically resort to "nuh uh"
I believe in you
Usually it is meant that the quantum system being studied, which for practical but not theoretical reasons is probably very small, interacts with something outside that quantum system in a non-reversible way. EG: it interacted with some part of an apparatus or a particle that (for the sake of difficulty of the maths) is not considered to be part of the quantum system in question.
If you expanded the quantum system so you are tracking both the "observed" and the "observer" (and remember both of those might be a single quark) then you can track the whole thing as a quantum system without the need for "measurement". Problem is the difficulty of the math involved increases very quickly with the number of things you are considering in the system.
or at the very least shoddy translation from scientist to layman
Wait, were dresses posted when I was not looking at chat? Please repost as I really like looking at pretty dresses on the internet.
Oh coming home from you guys' place I ran into a ton of speedrunners at the airport, because awesome games done quick is in DC in early January.
How fat?
*swallows*
How...tight?
Fortunately as a registered physicist if I beat somebody to death on those grounds I'm not chargeable with any offence
Oh, I never got to meet Bel (or exchange more than like 3 words with spool...) next year I need to actually schlep out to the hotels I guess...
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The best kind of butts?
Yeah. Arguing about interpretations is dumb anyways. By definition an interpretation is just putting a thin layer of fluff onto an existing physical theory. If the fluff made any difference whatsoever to reality then it would be a different theory.
though sometimes you do just go on a series of increasingly crazier dates
>_>
I don't really like gamery stuff but they've got some damn cool stuff that somehow doesn't scream yo this is a videogame t-shirt. Fuckin' love my dumb Solaire of Astoria t-shirt so much.
as official scribe and herald of cinders, yes. yes, she did.
Yes
But you know rad people exist, at least
hahaha. You almost got me, IT Security. I've been waiting for my financial documentation for FY 2015.
omg what are the odds
glitch in the matrixxx
I don't know enough about quantum mechanics to even make up some bullshit theory, but I think both positions are understandable in the abstract.
yes, i've also had lots of excellent dates and relationships. nod nod.
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Can you really call them excellent if you didn't choke a stranger?