it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
You SHOULD know that a vote isnt a protest, because there isnt a comments field to explain why you voted the way you did, so you cannot make it clear what situation influenced your vote.
I think in a major municipality that has been ruled by a single party for half a century, the reasons for a wholesale abandonment of the coronated candidate by the minority community would be pretty fucking obvious. Especially because of all the public rallies you'd need to hold in order to orchestrate that kind of action.
But I guess you could just burn down some shit instead. That is definitely going to get a major metro mayor to fire the Chief of Police over unjustified minority killings.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
I think part of the problem is that police are trained to deescalate a situation only when convenient and not as a primary goal. Meanwhile, police culture means that violence is nearly always seen as more convenient than not.
When you take into account how Malheur, Dylan Roof, and the recent Chelsea bombing suspect ended either without violence or a minimum of it, things get very creepy. Compared to general police response to average criminals and protests of any kind, it seems like police only care about brining suspects in alive when they think they're important. That speaks volumes about their mentality to the people they've sworn to protect.
Also, the "good cops" defense really bothers me. It's like saying that the existence of not-corrupt police cancel out the damage caused by corrupt ones, or that we should all wait patiently for the good ones to solve all the systemic and institutional problems for us.
There are plenty of young people in this country not dealing drugs and having shootouts in the street, but we need to address the ones that are dealing drugs and having shootouts in the street.
Likewise, there are plenty of police officers not opening fire on unarmed citizens obeying LEO's commands, but we need to address the ones that are opening fire on unarmed citizens obeying LEO's commands.
That said, Smokestacks' comments earlier about the rioting taking place BEFORE any evidence came out about the citizen being unarmed, that was the protesters playing the odds based on historical data. It gets morally iffy to play the odds concerning police officers opening fire on unarmed citizens obeying the commands of said officer, because one provides ammunition towards someone playing the odds on the context I mentioned first.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
Man don't be a silly goose. You don't need to take that tone.
Minority citizens are a large and important constituency included in the political party in power in many of these local municipalities, and discussing why they continue to vote into office people who hire corrupt police that proceeded to murder them on the street is an excellent question to ask.
Do you really think that the mayor of Charlotte would still have her job if the minority community rose up in protest at The Ballot Box instead of on the streets? Minorities in major municipalities do have the political strength to move the needle and their allies would take notice if they were willing to use it.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
Man don't be a silly goose. You don't need to take that tone.
Minority citizens are a large and important constituency included in the political party in power space and many of these local municipalities, and discussing why they continue to vote in the office people who hire corrupt police that proceeded to murder them on the street is an excellent question to ask.
Do you really think that the mayor of Charlotte would still have her job the minority community rose up in protest at The Ballot Box instead of on the streets? Minorities in major municipalities do have the political strength to move the needle and their allies would take notice if they were willing to use it.
Doing that requires the belief that whoever won would be better. We have spent decades voting for people who promised to change things, only for them to get into office and say that it was just too hard.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
I just rolled my eyes so hard I think I pulled a muscle. Democracy is not "designed" to oppress black people.
Blacks can't "vote their way out" of oppression, because they comprise around 13% of the US population and their adjusted voter turnout for presidential elections is only around 70% (a number that, to be fair, has been climbing stadily since the 80s). Turnout tends to be lower for local elections than national ones.
So, in an ideal world where gerrymandering didn't exist you still basically have black people comprising less than one tenth of the voting populace. "Majority Rules" tends to favor the majority.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
Man don't be a silly goose. You don't need to take that tone.
Minority citizens are a large and important constituency included in the political party in power in many of these local municipalities, and discussing why they continue to vote into office people who hire corrupt police that proceeded to murder them on the street is an excellent question to ask.
Do you really think that the mayor of Charlotte would still have her job if the minority community rose up in protest at The Ballot Box instead of on the streets? Minorities in major municipalities do have the political strength to move the needle and their allies would take notice if they were willing to use it.
Who else is on the ballot? How badly is the area gerrymandered? How much voter suppression is going on?
I am sure you are an expert on all these points since you are so confident the solution is that simple.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
Man don't be a silly goose. You don't need to take that tone.
Minority citizens are a large and important constituency included in the political party in power in many of these local municipalities, and discussing why they continue to vote into office people who hire corrupt police that proceeded to murder them on the street is an excellent question to ask.
Do you really think that the mayor of Charlotte would still have her job if the minority community rose up in protest at The Ballot Box instead of on the streets? Minorities in major municipalities do have the political strength to move the needle and their allies would take notice if they were willing to use it.
Ch'yeah, I know, right? What's wrong with these people? Why don't they only live in areas where they're the majority population, stop having their votes suppressed by bullshit municipal and state laws, persistently have faith in electoral systems that have been rigged against them, and then all act in concert on election day to vote for the mayoral candidate who they can be absolutely sure will take on both entrenched city hall and police department institutions, but also fight back against racist state legislators?
It sounds so fucking easy now that you suggested it, Spool! Come the fuck on. You've participated in this thread (and its predecessors, like the Ferguson thread) enough to know we've gone over all these topics before.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Well, that and didn't your wife bar you from those threads?
The fact that hippofant and smokestacks have gone from disagreeing to arguing the same points shows how complicated the United States' history and present is, and why it will take a lot of brainwork and legwork to make things better at a faster rate.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
I just rolled my eyes so hard I think I pulled a muscle. Democracy is not "designed" to oppress black people.
Blacks can't "vote their way out" of oppression, because they comprise around 13% of the US population and their adjusted voter turnout for presidential elections is only around 70% (a number that, to be fair, has been climbing stadily since the 80s). Turnout tends to be lower for local elections than national ones.
So, in an ideal world where gerrymandering didn't exist you still basically have black people comprising less than one tenth of the voting populace. "Majority Rules" tends to favor the majority.
Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure the Athenians specifically designed democracy to oppress the black people they hadn't met yet before. That is exactly what I meant and exactly what I wrote. /s
This is like that other post you made, where I can't tell exactly how much you're agreeing with me or not, because you're framing everything like you're disagreeing with me, but you present an argument that seems to agree with me, and it's like a parody that ate itself, and I can't figure out how to disentangle the semantic moebius strip.
Democracy is designed in a manner that does not typically allow minorities to vote their way out of their own oppression. Is... is there something contentious about that point? Isn't that pretty much common political knowledge? Is there something specific about the phrasing there that's causing a problem?
Why did they selectively quote him rather than post his transcripts? I know the guy is a little disrespectful towards women, but I at least want to hear his words in context.
This is like that other post you made, where I can't tell exactly how much you're agreeing with me or not, because you're framing everything like you're disagreeing with me, but you present an argument that seems to agree with me, and it's like a parody that ate itself, and I can't figure out how to disentangle the semantic moebius strip.
You can agree with someone on certain points while disagreeing with them on other points, especially on a complicated subject.
People are not simplistic collections of ideals that you are forced to take or leave 100%, as convenient as that would be for painting the people you disagree with with a broad brush. Every conversation doesn't have to be "us vs them".
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
Man don't be a silly goose. You don't need to take that tone.
Minority citizens are a large and important constituency included in the political party in power in many of these local municipalities, and discussing why they continue to vote into office people who hire corrupt police that proceeded to murder them on the street is an excellent question to ask.
Do you really think that the mayor of Charlotte would still have her job if the minority community rose up in protest at The Ballot Box instead of on the streets? Minorities in major municipalities do have the political strength to move the needle and their allies would take notice if they were willing to use it.
Ch'yeah, I know, right? What's wrong with these people? Why don't they only live in areas where they're the majority population, stop having their votes suppressed by bullshit municipal and state laws, persistently have faith in electoral systems that have been rigged against them, and then all act in concert on election day to vote for the mayoral candidate who they can be absolutely sure will take on both entrenched city hall and police department institutions, but also fight back against racist state legislators?
It sounds so fucking easy now that you suggested it, Spool! Come the fuck on. You've participated in this thread (and its predecessors, like the Ferguson thread) enough to know we've gone over all these topics before.
I dont know what to tell you man. People still manage to elect Democrats in these cities despite all the barriers you mentioned, and the minority communittly breaks about 80% D or more, so....
Maybe these citizens need to find a Democrat who won't defend cops that kill them, since they're voting for one anyway, and demand that person be the candidate on pain of 0% minority turnout.
And yeah its not the magic solution but it sure as shit ought to be in the arsenal. Its more effective than burning down a gas station. I mean, not a single mayor has lost his job that i know of in the last 2 years after his employees killed an unarmed citizen of any race, nevermind a minority. Its pretty hard to argue that black people in, say, Chicago, have no political power, then look at Rahm's support on the South Side. Its not a lack of power, its a lack of will to use it.
it has been said multiple times in this thread, that when people who are marginalized feel that every other option available to them is being summarily ignored, that the only way to make people take notice is to start breaking shit, people will start breaking shit.
And you keep denying them that.
You can justify it any way you like, it will not help the cause. It doesn't matter if you think it's right, or just, or even simply understandable, it still will not help the cause.
You can romanticize it until you are blue in the face, but it will not help the cause.
Maybe black people can protest in a way that won't get widely criticised
Like, say, not standing for the National Anthem
Nobody could object to that
Maybe they could protest by voting out of office the people in charge of the police.
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Well, that and didn't your wife bar you from those threads?
Why did they selectively quote him rather than post his transcripts? I know the guy is a little disrespectful towards women, but I at least want to hear his words in context.
1) It's hard to break institutional cultures, especially when they come with a powerful lobbying arm.
2) Conventional wisdom is that it's death to run against "law and order" though that's maybe starting to change.
3) The Republican Party has disqualified itself with these voters so the only option is the primary
4) Campaigns are hard and expensive, you need a candidate who is willing to subject themselves to the bullshit of a campaign, and in the wake of one of these shootings it may have semi-national attention. This draws out the ambitious which then runs you right back into one and two, especially adding that the truly ambitious don't want to become the "black candidate."
The problem is that the majority of people are indifferent to these issues. Until that changes, we're fucked.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
1) It's hard to break institutional cultures, especially when they come with a powerful lobbying arm.
2) Conventional wisdom is that it's death to run against "law and order" though that's maybe starting to change.
3) The Republican Party has disqualified itself with these voters so the only option is the primary
4) Campaigns are hard and expensive, you need a candidate who is willing to subject themselves to the bullshit of a campaign, and in the wake of one of these shootings it may have semi-national attention. This draws out the ambitious which then runs you right back into one and two, especially adding that the truly ambitious don't want to become the "black candidate."
The problem is that the majority of people are indifferent to these issues. Until that changes, we're fucked.
Voting makes it so only politicians up for election care, and that is ONLY if they can suss out exactly what is driving turn out and voting habits, since apparently people arent allowed to do demonstrations, and only vote.
Protests make it so that more people will care and bring attention to an issue.
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Is there some thread-specific rule against linking to videos related to shootings?
I'm wondering why no one has linked the new Keith Scott video yet.
Not sure.
The cop in red is straddling the gun/ standing on it. But you have no idea if the guy had it out or not pre it being on the ground -as that part was not filmed/isnt clear. The lady is screaming that he does not have a gun; but from the start all the way up to the shooting the cops are screaming for the guy to drop his gun.
it honestly just muddies the waters even worse. One would have to assume the body cameras could clear it up very fast... but they are sitting on those. So....?
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Unlike most unions, police unions actually have power. City Hall generally only has so much control over the institution so even running on a police reform platform is likely to go nowhere.
Perhaps instead of blaming a group of people who as a demographic vote more than white people for not voting, we should consider that maybe the institution is broken.
Is there some thread-specific rule against linking to videos related to shootings?
I'm wondering why no one has linked the new Keith Scott video yet.
Not sure.
The cop in red is straddling the gun/ standing on it. But you have no idea if the guy had it out or not pre it being on the ground -as that part was not filmed/isnt clear. The lady is screaming that he does not have a gun; but from the start all the way up to the shooting the cops are screaming for the guy to drop his gun.
it honestly just muddies the waters even worse. One would have to assume the body cameras could clear it up very fast... but they are sitting on those. So....?
Well, the family's argument has always been that the police mistook a book for a gun, if Scott was holding anything at all, so I don't think it matters much that you can hear the cops shouting that he should drop his gun.
It's an unclear video, but I can't see anything that might be a gun near the spot where the police later recovered a gun.
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Is there some thread-specific rule against linking to videos related to shootings?
I'm wondering why no one has linked the new Keith Scott video yet.
Not sure.
The cop in red is straddling the gun/ standing on it. But you have no idea if the guy had it out or not pre it being on the ground -as that part was not filmed/isnt clear. The lady is screaming that he does not have a gun; but from the start all the way up to the shooting the cops are screaming for the guy to drop his gun.
it honestly just muddies the waters even worse. One would have to assume the body cameras could clear it up very fast... but they are sitting on those. So....?
This makes the police chief's actions even more puzzling. The narrative doesn't dramatically shift either way from the evidence we have, and holding onto the video makes the department look even more guilty, so why not release the footage and at least salvage the appearance of looking honorable?
Spool, the notion that the only recourse they have is the voting booth is ridiculous, and incredibly naive. For someone who beats the drum of constant government incompetance, you sure do think everyone else needs to shut up and depend on the system.
I was at ace hardware three other day. Where they were trying to hock blue tape and blue leds to show support for blue lives matter.
Normally I prefer doing business with drying corporate underdogs, but that made me very uncomfortable.
I've been seeing signs reading "Back the Blue" a lot recently (rural north Georgia). Most of them are accompanied by Trump signs, but both my bank and the grocery store also have them out front.
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I think in a major municipality that has been ruled by a single party for half a century, the reasons for a wholesale abandonment of the coronated candidate by the minority community would be pretty fucking obvious. Especially because of all the public rallies you'd need to hold in order to orchestrate that kind of action.
But I guess you could just burn down some shit instead. That is definitely going to get a major metro mayor to fire the Chief of Police over unjustified minority killings.
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/207079/us-presidential-election-wave-riders
There are plenty of young people in this country not dealing drugs and having shootouts in the street, but we need to address the ones that are dealing drugs and having shootouts in the street.
Likewise, there are plenty of police officers not opening fire on unarmed citizens obeying LEO's commands, but we need to address the ones that are opening fire on unarmed citizens obeying LEO's commands.
That said, Smokestacks' comments earlier about the rioting taking place BEFORE any evidence came out about the citizen being unarmed, that was the protesters playing the odds based on historical data. It gets morally iffy to play the odds concerning police officers opening fire on unarmed citizens obeying the commands of said officer, because one provides ammunition towards someone playing the odds on the context I mentioned first.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
No, I think arguing that political action is an important, or perhaps the most important, way to respond to this issue of police violence especially at a local level, is a thing that belongs in this thread.
Typically, I assume that people on these forums know how democracy works, but.... you do know how democracy works, right? Minorities don't typically vote their way out of their own oppression, because... that's sorta how democracy is designed.
Man don't be a silly goose. You don't need to take that tone.
Minority citizens are a large and important constituency included in the political party in power in many of these local municipalities, and discussing why they continue to vote into office people who hire corrupt police that proceeded to murder them on the street is an excellent question to ask.
Do you really think that the mayor of Charlotte would still have her job if the minority community rose up in protest at The Ballot Box instead of on the streets? Minorities in major municipalities do have the political strength to move the needle and their allies would take notice if they were willing to use it.
Doing that requires the belief that whoever won would be better. We have spent decades voting for people who promised to change things, only for them to get into office and say that it was just too hard.
I just rolled my eyes so hard I think I pulled a muscle. Democracy is not "designed" to oppress black people.
Blacks can't "vote their way out" of oppression, because they comprise around 13% of the US population and their adjusted voter turnout for presidential elections is only around 70% (a number that, to be fair, has been climbing stadily since the 80s). Turnout tends to be lower for local elections than national ones.
So, in an ideal world where gerrymandering didn't exist you still basically have black people comprising less than one tenth of the voting populace. "Majority Rules" tends to favor the majority.
interesting to hear
Who else is on the ballot? How badly is the area gerrymandered? How much voter suppression is going on?
I am sure you are an expert on all these points since you are so confident the solution is that simple.
Ch'yeah, I know, right? What's wrong with these people? Why don't they only live in areas where they're the majority population, stop having their votes suppressed by bullshit municipal and state laws, persistently have faith in electoral systems that have been rigged against them, and then all act in concert on election day to vote for the mayoral candidate who they can be absolutely sure will take on both entrenched city hall and police department institutions, but also fight back against racist state legislators?
It sounds so fucking easy now that you suggested it, Spool! Come the fuck on. You've participated in this thread (and its predecessors, like the Ferguson thread) enough to know we've gone over all these topics before.
Well, that and didn't your wife bar you from those threads?
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure the Athenians specifically designed democracy to oppress the black people they hadn't met yet before. That is exactly what I meant and exactly what I wrote. /s
This is like that other post you made, where I can't tell exactly how much you're agreeing with me or not, because you're framing everything like you're disagreeing with me, but you present an argument that seems to agree with me, and it's like a parody that ate itself, and I can't figure out how to disentangle the semantic moebius strip.
Democracy is designed in a manner that does not typically allow minorities to vote their way out of their own oppression. Is... is there something contentious about that point? Isn't that pretty much common political knowledge? Is there something specific about the phrasing there that's causing a problem?
He planted questions and claimed they were from the state's biggest paper a few days ago. He's an asshole.
Why did they selectively quote him rather than post his transcripts? I know the guy is a little disrespectful towards women, but I at least want to hear his words in context.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
You can agree with someone on certain points while disagreeing with them on other points, especially on a complicated subject.
People are not simplistic collections of ideals that you are forced to take or leave 100%, as convenient as that would be for painting the people you disagree with with a broad brush. Every conversation doesn't have to be "us vs them".
I dont know what to tell you man. People still manage to elect Democrats in these cities despite all the barriers you mentioned, and the minority communittly breaks about 80% D or more, so....
Maybe these citizens need to find a Democrat who won't defend cops that kill them, since they're voting for one anyway, and demand that person be the candidate on pain of 0% minority turnout.
And yeah its not the magic solution but it sure as shit ought to be in the arsenal. Its more effective than burning down a gas station. I mean, not a single mayor has lost his job that i know of in the last 2 years after his employees killed an unarmed citizen of any race, nevermind a minority. Its pretty hard to argue that black people in, say, Chicago, have no political power, then look at Rahm's support on the South Side. Its not a lack of power, its a lack of will to use it.
..... y-yes....
*shrug* i watched the video
is an interesting perspective tho
1) It's hard to break institutional cultures, especially when they come with a powerful lobbying arm.
2) Conventional wisdom is that it's death to run against "law and order" though that's maybe starting to change.
3) The Republican Party has disqualified itself with these voters so the only option is the primary
4) Campaigns are hard and expensive, you need a candidate who is willing to subject themselves to the bullshit of a campaign, and in the wake of one of these shootings it may have semi-national attention. This draws out the ambitious which then runs you right back into one and two, especially adding that the truly ambitious don't want to become the "black candidate."
The problem is that the majority of people are indifferent to these issues. Until that changes, we're fucked.
Is there some thread-specific rule against linking to videos related to shootings?
I'm wondering why no one has linked the new Keith Scott video yet.
Voting makes it so only politicians up for election care, and that is ONLY if they can suss out exactly what is driving turn out and voting habits, since apparently people arent allowed to do demonstrations, and only vote.
Protests make it so that more people will care and bring attention to an issue.
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Not sure.
The cop in red is straddling the gun/ standing on it. But you have no idea if the guy had it out or not pre it being on the ground -as that part was not filmed/isnt clear. The lady is screaming that he does not have a gun; but from the start all the way up to the shooting the cops are screaming for the guy to drop his gun.
it honestly just muddies the waters even worse. One would have to assume the body cameras could clear it up very fast... but they are sitting on those. So....?
There is nothing more than their own internal policies preventing any other precinct from doing that, either.
Perhaps instead of blaming a group of people who as a demographic vote more than white people for not voting, we should consider that maybe the institution is broken.
Because for some reason I'm pretty sure that for the most part they have been running on moving things in the opposite direction.
Well, the family's argument has always been that the police mistook a book for a gun, if Scott was holding anything at all, so I don't think it matters much that you can hear the cops shouting that he should drop his gun.
It's an unclear video, but I can't see anything that might be a gun near the spot where the police later recovered a gun.
This makes the police chief's actions even more puzzling. The narrative doesn't dramatically shift either way from the evidence we have, and holding onto the video makes the department look even more guilty, so why not release the footage and at least salvage the appearance of looking honorable?
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Oh right, we already know that.
Spool, the notion that the only recourse they have is the voting booth is ridiculous, and incredibly naive. For someone who beats the drum of constant government incompetance, you sure do think everyone else needs to shut up and depend on the system.
Normally I prefer doing business with drying corporate underdogs, but that made me very uncomfortable.
Was it actually a corporate sanctioned thing or something that that store's manager thought would be a good idea?
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If K Mart started selling BLM shirts, I would feel equally uncomfortable. When these things stop being organic, it becomes.......icky?
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
What if Kmart put the BLM shirts on a Blue Light Special?
It was an actual wall of merchandise telling people to show their support.
I assume our was local because the signs looked like they were done in ms paint with an inkjet printer.
I've been seeing signs reading "Back the Blue" a lot recently (rural north Georgia). Most of them are accompanied by Trump signs, but both my bank and the grocery store also have them out front.