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  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    I DO use a lot of toilet paper.

    we know what you eat

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    cars break down and people break down and other things break down too

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    I mean for automation and the end of our work force where is @Donkey Kong to tell us we are all screwed?

    Also Castle your health insurance is $9 bucks a month?

    Jesus.

    Mine is $120. And even the cheapo plan is like $80.

    My deductible is $1200 though and my max oop is $2k. I hit that usually in the first two months thanks to Crohn's meds. And the rebate covers 90% of it.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Dang, I have relevant experience here. We bought a waterjet table a couple years ago. It was $120k. It's incredible, you tell it piece shape, size, number, whatever, it cuts a 16x24 sheet of product into amazing designs. Push button, get cut pastries.

    Until someone hits the USB port where you upload programs and snaps it off. Custom piece. $85. 3 days downtime.

    Or one of the stepper motors goes bad. Also custom. $750. 4 days from Spain.

    The water filter has to be replaced monthly. $60.

    Someone dropped a stack of pans on one of the cutting surfaces, it's a removable metal frame with very thin blades crisscrossing. $600.

    The nozzles for it are $40 apiece. They last about 10 hours.

    At 1000 hours, the pump requires a full rebuild. $10,000 in parts and labor to have someone do that.

    Some of this is offset though. Like with Yeti coolers they can make like 10K of them before they have to replace the mold. They then crank out another 1K they sell as "blemished" models (that are 100% the same minus some surface imperfections) which offsets the cost of the new mold.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I'm stealing a sailboat with a water filter. That should be able to last me a while.

    You haven't watched Fear The Walking Dead.

    That plan will fail.

    Why does it fail on the show? Is it because they don't know how to live on a boat? Because I know how to do that.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Dang, I have relevant experience here. We bought a waterjet table a couple years ago. It was $120k. It's incredible, you tell it piece shape, size, number, whatever, it cuts a 16x24 sheet of product into amazing designs. Push button, get cut pastries.

    Until someone hits the USB port where you upload programs and snaps it off. Custom piece. $85. 3 days downtime.

    Or one of the stepper motors goes bad. Also custom. $750. 4 days from Spain.

    The water filter has to be replaced monthly. $60.

    Someone dropped a stack of pans on one of the cutting surfaces, it's a removable metal frame with very thin blades crisscrossing. $600.

    The nozzles for it are $40 apiece. They last about 10 hours.

    At 1000 hours, the pump requires a full rebuild. $10,000 in parts and labor to have someone do that.

    Jesus.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.

    But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.

    nah

    it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service

    because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee
    Oooo employee costing.

    So we'll take the $12 an hour base.
    Then we have to add in fringe (benefits and taxes). About 30% for a US Company that only gives the minimal amount of fucks to keep employees.
    Then we have overhead, roughly 20%.
    Then we have G&A, roughly 7% for a manufacturing company.
    12*1.30*1.20*1.07
    Burdened labor rate is $20.03
    20.03*1944= ~39k per person.

    drops the mic.

  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Why do unfunny vendors always try to make me laugh and also always call when I email asking for details they have to email?

    @six is it a salesman or rep rule you have to call cause I just want an email. One guy yesterday called all three of my phones just to say he was emailing and then his email was slow

    I said ok email me and hung up

    It's probably some rule for inside sales. A real rep would just email you, but a real rep is also building a relationship with you. This guy wants you to agree to a meeting so he can move on.

    Anyone who won't leave you alone doesn't know what they're doing or is pushing something where that doesn't matter.

    @OnTheLastCastle

    I have one vendor going so hard in the paint for our printer business but we have 25 months left on our 5 year lease. He claims he's done buyouts up to FOUR YEARS out... but every other company has told me 12-15 months is max.

    I finally agreed to let him meet with me again. He's been bugging me nonstop for years, I swear to god.

    I hate dealing with vendors. Luckily my company has no interest in purchasing really so I just do other things mostly!

    Those kind of people don't sound super fun to deal with.

    The ones that make it higher know what they;re doing and can be awesome. Or worse.

    I would be an excellent salesman because I am
    #1 fun
    #2 get to the point, I use few words and don't babble
    #3 know my shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit or learn it
    #4 listen

    hm maybe I should be an inside sales person after all. the devil doth tempt.

    #4 should be #1 and also #2.

    When I did sales a lot of what I did was more of a consultative role. Lots of listening, asking questions for clarification rather than assuming and so on. But I also only did very long sales cycle stuff. If my stuff closed in six months then I'd be worried things were rushed.

    This is what a good sales rep does and is pretty hard to do well among everything else they need to do. Managing a territory is basically running a subsidiary or franchise business.

    can you feel the struggle within?
  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Dang, I have relevant experience here. We bought a waterjet table a couple years ago. It was $120k. It's incredible, you tell it piece shape, size, number, whatever, it cuts a 16x24 sheet of product into amazing designs. Push button, get cut pastries.

    Until someone hits the USB port where you upload programs and snaps it off. Custom piece. $85. 3 days downtime.

    Or one of the stepper motors goes bad. Also custom. $750. 4 days from Spain.

    The water filter has to be replaced monthly. $60.

    Someone dropped a stack of pans on one of the cutting surfaces, it's a removable metal frame with very thin blades crisscrossing. $600.

    The nozzles for it are $40 apiece. They last about 10 hours.

    At 1000 hours, the pump requires a full rebuild. $10,000 in parts and labor to have someone do that.

    Jeez this is getting expensive

    Are you sure I can't just pay someone else to run a sweatshop and handle all these expenses for me using underpaid labor overseas

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Dang, I have relevant experience here. We bought a waterjet table a couple years ago. It was $120k. It's incredible, you tell it piece shape, size, number, whatever, it cuts a 16x24 sheet of product into amazing designs. Push button, get cut pastries.

    Until someone hits the USB port where you upload programs and snaps it off. Custom piece. $85. 3 days downtime.

    Or one of the stepper motors goes bad. Also custom. $750. 4 days from Spain.

    The water filter has to be replaced monthly. $60.

    Someone dropped a stack of pans on one of the cutting surfaces, it's a removable metal frame with very thin blades crisscrossing. $600.

    The nozzles for it are $40 apiece. They last about 10 hours.

    At 1000 hours, the pump requires a full rebuild. $10,000 in parts and labor to have someone do that.

    sounds like you should fire the human workforce at your plant because it's costing you stupid amounts of money to fix their fuckups

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.

    But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.

    nah

    it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service

    because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours

    I don't know your vertical, but if no one is serving 24 hours, sounds like a market space ripe for expanding into.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee
    Oooo employee costing.

    So we'll take the $12 an hour base.
    Then we have to add in fringe (benefits and taxes). About 30% for a US Company that only gives the minimal amount of fucks to keep employees.
    Then we have overhead, roughly 20%.
    Then we have G&A, roughly 7% for a manufacturing company.
    12*1.30*1.20*1.07
    Burdened labor rate is $20.03
    20.03*1944= ~39k per person.

    drops the mic.

    there i win

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    Just make robots to fix robots and also have a robot hr department and robot payroll.

    *rubs hands together frogramishly*

  • Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    eeuughhh there are people in my shop very very very slowly wandering around and very loudly talking about reiki and crystal healing as "way better than the doctor" for this pregnant lady's baby which is like

    HMMMMMMM

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I'm stealing a sailboat with a water filter. That should be able to last me a while.

    You haven't watched Fear The Walking Dead.

    That plan will fail.

    Why does it fail on the show? Is it because they don't know how to live on a boat? Because I know how to do that.

    Because you can't just live off fish. You'll need other nutrients. You might be able to stick with bull kelp and seaweed but your sodium intake is going to skyrocket.

    Which means if you want something besides fish and desalinated water you're going to have to make port somewhere, which is a risk.

    Also radar and sonar isn't going to stop working, so anyone else with a boat is going to be able to find you. If it's just you, you're not going to be able to keep a solid watch.

    You're in a confined space with limited firepower in the middle of the ocean.

    Then, you have tropical storms, which aside from your instruments (which are hopefully solar powered) you won't be able to predict all that well.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee
    Oooo employee costing.

    So we'll take the $12 an hour base.
    Then we have to add in fringe (benefits and taxes). About 30% for a US Company that only gives the minimal amount of fucks to keep employees.
    Then we have overhead, roughly 20%.
    Then we have G&A, roughly 7% for a manufacturing company.
    12*1.30*1.20*1.07
    Burdened labor rate is $20.03
    20.03*1944= ~39k per person.

    drops the mic.

    there i win
    This is the internet. Did you really win?

  • Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    I DO use a lot of toilet paper.

    tough negotiation on promotion

    I want a 10% raise, an extra week of vacay, AND the double quilted

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Basically what you are all saying is in the future we will all be:

    0eu7kspzczb7.png

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.

    But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.

    nah

    it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service

    because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours

    yeah, that's the thing about lights out automation

    it's not just that you can work 24 hours, it's often that you have to and it has to be economical to do so

    the line start-up costs on some of this shit is steep

  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????

    The answer is always "Yes".

  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    I'm not even exactly sure what you all were debating. It seems to be the specific cost within a relatively narrow range for a piece of machinery to be cost effective for replacing an employee.

    But that can't be right.

    That would be a ridiculous argument to have.

    can you feel the struggle within?
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Where's SKFM to come in and tell us we're all expendable and then fire us to increase a christmas bonus.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????
    Is she giving birth to a golem?

  • AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????

    that poor child

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.

    But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.

    nah

    it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service

    because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours

    I don't know your vertical, but if no one is serving 24 hours, sounds like a market space ripe for expanding into.

    it isn't though

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    ugh

    they have implemented a new employee development plan thing at work

    i am now trying to come up with goals

    what is this shit

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  • Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????
    Is she giving birth to a golem?

    I know not this reference

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Dang, I have relevant experience here. We bought a waterjet table a couple years ago. It was $120k. It's incredible, you tell it piece shape, size, number, whatever, it cuts a 16x24 sheet of product into amazing designs. Push button, get cut pastries.

    Until someone hits the USB port where you upload programs and snaps it off. Custom piece. $85. 3 days downtime.

    Or one of the stepper motors goes bad. Also custom. $750. 4 days from Spain.

    The water filter has to be replaced monthly. $60.

    Someone dropped a stack of pans on one of the cutting surfaces, it's a removable metal frame with very thin blades crisscrossing. $600.

    The nozzles for it are $40 apiece. They last about 10 hours.

    At 1000 hours, the pump requires a full rebuild. $10,000 in parts and labor to have someone do that.

    sounds like you should fire the human workforce at your plant because it's costing you stupid amounts of money to fix their fuckups

    Which is sort of funny, because I work in an industry that has... regressed? Progressed? Baking went from being entirely done by hand, to almost completely mechanized, and now the "artisan" baking industry has had a massive resurgence.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    I'm not even exactly sure what you all were debating. It seems to be the specific cost within a relatively narrow range for a piece of machinery to be cost effective for replacing an employee.

    But that can't be right.

    That would be a ridiculous argument to have.

    well, yes

    what other kind of argument have we ever had here

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    So 40k for replacing a single worker, does the robot do more than one person's work? Does it replace two employees on different shifts?

    What are the variables here?

    How many shifts is the warehouse open for? Could it be open 24/7?

    Seems like if you're doing a 1:1 comparison that a 12/hr worker just barely eeks out above a 50k/yr robot worker. Barely. And only 1. If you start asking the worker to work 10 hour days, not only are you now paying more than the robot, but you're also fucking over your worker because they will not perform as well, so there's some diminishing returns.

    What are my rules for this theorycraft, someone help me.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee
    Oooo employee costing.

    So we'll take the $12 an hour base.
    Then we have to add in fringe (benefits and taxes). About 30% for a US Company that only gives the minimal amount of fucks to keep employees.
    Then we have overhead, roughly 20%.
    Then we have G&A, roughly 7% for a manufacturing company.
    12*1.30*1.20*1.07
    Burdened labor rate is $20.03
    20.03*1944= ~39k per person.

    drops the mic.

    there i win
    This is the internet. Did you really win?

    i said i did didn't i

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    Is she giving birth to Gollum?
    Is she giving birth to Goyim?
    Is she giving birth to Gillian Anderson?

  • Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????

    that poor child

    yeah holy crap

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

    I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    ugh

    they have implemented a new employee development plan thing at work

    i am now trying to come up with goals

    what is this shit

    I do that every year.

    Goal 1: Take a class in something

    Goal 2: Take another class

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    "I talked to my OB and he didn't even KNOW about reiki. I almost didn't keep my next appointment..." (other woman nods sympathetically)

    is this real life????
    Is she giving birth to a golem?

    I know not this reference
    I bet a golem baby would need crystals to help it birth.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    ugh

    they have implemented a new employee development plan thing at work

    i am now trying to come up with goals

    what is this shit

    Goal 1: Generate Goals

    Report: Goal Achieved.

    Nod. Get treat. PSN: Quippish
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    None of this matters anyway, because someone's going to create a realistic fuckbot and the world will end.

    nibXTE7.png
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    Basically what you are all saying is in the future we will all be:

    0eu7kspzczb7.png
    I plan on going in a different direction.

    futurama_1_4_08.jpg

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