also speaking of if any of you are looking for a career change and want to make some bank in like 5 years, but also will only have a job until self-driving cars are ubiquitous, the average age for an autobody repair person is like 52 years old and increasing
Its not self driving cars that kills this. If they are internal combustion engines they still need the same amount of mechanic work.
Its electric cars that kill this because electric engines are simple as shit compared to internal combustion engines.
i work in crash parts though
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Donkey KongPutting Nintendo out of business with AI nipsRegistered Userregular
and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side
robot employees require maintenance
in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance
Automated warehouses don't really look like manned warehouses. The shelves are super tall, aisles are narrow, everything is palletized, boxed, standardized. Maintenance isn't too bad on the cutting edge stuff amazon is looking at, but it'll be a while before it's cheap and flexible enough to hit mainstream.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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crash parts and mechanical parts are separate industries
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Why do unfunny vendors always try to make me laugh and also always call when I email asking for details they have to email?
@six is it a salesman or rep rule you have to call cause I just want an email. One guy yesterday called all three of my phones just to say he was emailing and then his email was slow
I said ok email me and hung up
It's probably some rule for inside sales. A real rep would just email you, but a real rep is also building a relationship with you. This guy wants you to agree to a meeting so he can move on.
Anyone who won't leave you alone doesn't know what they're doing or is pushing something where that doesn't matter.
I have one vendor going so hard in the paint for our printer business but we have 25 months left on our 5 year lease. He claims he's done buyouts up to FOUR YEARS out... but every other company has told me 12-15 months is max.
I finally agreed to let him meet with me again. He's been bugging me nonstop for years, I swear to god.
I hate dealing with vendors. Luckily my company has no interest in purchasing really so I just do other things mostly!
Those kind of people don't sound super fun to deal with.
The ones that make it higher know what they;re doing and can be awesome. Or worse.
I would be an excellent salesman because I am
#1 fun
#2 get to the point, I use few words and don't babble
#3 know my shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit or learn it
#4 listen
hm maybe I should be an inside sales person after all. the devil doth tempt.
#4 should be #1 and also #2.
When I did sales a lot of what I did was more of a consultative role. Lots of listening, asking questions for clarification rather than assuming and so on. But I also only did very long sales cycle stuff. If my stuff closed in six months then I'd be worried things were rushed.
This is what a good sales rep does and is pretty hard to do well among everything else they need to do. Managing a territory is basically running a subsidiary or franchise business.
One of the perks of switching to the sales engineering side is that I could do the listening part without the territory management part. One thing that tends to get lost in discussions of sales people is long verses short sales cycle. Short sales cycle guys tend to be the people who you're gonna hate. Mostly because stuff like high pressure tactics will work in short sales cycle but not long. Guys doing long sales cycle stuff generally can't do stuff like that because over the course of the sales cycle it fucks them.
I will point out that no matter what kind of sales organization it is, Sales Managers will be the worst and most political shitheads.
also speaking of if any of you are looking for a career change and want to make some bank in like 5 years, but also will only have a job until self-driving cars are ubiquitous, the average age for an autobody repair person is like 52 years old and increasing
Its not self driving cars that kills this. If they are internal combustion engines they still need the same amount of mechanic work.
Its electric cars that kill this because electric engines are simple as shit compared to internal combustion engines.
I mean for automation and the end of our work force where is @Donkey Kong to tell us we are all screwed?
Factory jobs are dead. Gone. Workers are being replaced by robots even overseas. The robots are in factories already, they're cheaper than humans and they do a better job. Every year they take more and more jobs. It's just a matter of time before every manufacturing plant is run by a skeleton screw that pushes a button and calls techs when the red light flashes. I give it 5 years for tech, 15 years for everything.
Logististics is gone. Baggage handling, warehousing, bin picking, packing, and shipping are headed all automated. I give it a decade at best.
Commercial driving is gone. Automation has a proof of concept and the gains in efficiency and safety are massive. I give it 15 years before manned delivery trucks are a rarity.
The jobs are going away and I hope society is ready because it's already happening.
Back Office is also on the way out. We are aggregating HR/Accounting/Office Mgmt work at a rapid pace into companies that automate as much as they can and use a few employees for every 10k customers.
Analyst and Dispatch jobs are on the way out - we already automate skill matrix/schedule management/geolocation to determine who is available to do work and when.
Like, so many fucking jobs are going away.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Just make robots to fix robots and also have a robot hr department and robot payroll.
I don't know how it is in the US but here payroll handling is increasingly tipping towards automation, mostly as a consequence of HMRC's insistence on ever more frequent and comprehensive data
At present companies are no longer permitted to perform manual payroll calculations, they must be carried out using software that interfaces with HMRC systems
I'm wondering how long it'll be before they just say "fuck it", implement their own payroll processing package that requires nothing but low skilled data entry and mandate its use
(Payroll software is awful)
I know a construction company that had to pay out the ass over their payroll software, because they automated it to not allow any hours over 40 and automatically clock people out, under the no overtime is allowed policy.
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and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side
robot employees require maintenance
in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance
Automated warehouses don't really look like manned warehouses. The shelves are super tall, aisles are narrow, everything is palletized, boxed, standardized. Maintenance isn't too bad on the cutting edge stuff amazon is looking at, but it'll be a while before it's cheap and flexible enough to hit mainstream.
i dunno about amazon's warehouse but the shit that comes in the door here from taiwan
dudes look like coal miners by the time they're done unloading a container
that would screw up some fine ass robot parts i'm sure
Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.
But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.
nah
it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service
because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours
I don't know your vertical, but if no one is serving 24 hours, sounds like a market space ripe for expanding into.
life isn't actually a y-combinator startup pitch, you're not a business guru, and everybody would notice low-hanging fruit if it was really that low hanging
if it were profitable for an industry to go 24 hours it would have long before our robot overlords appeared
Pfft, that's what people thought about the transportation industry until Uber was invented. :smugface:
Uber's biggest competitive advantage has been "openly flouting the law"
so I mean sure you could probably dominate an industry vertical by moving in and, say, using children to do the small assembly work
I mean for automation and the end of our work force where is @Donkey Kong to tell us we are all screwed?
Factory jobs are dead. Gone. Workers are being replaced by robots even overseas. The robots are in factories already, they're cheaper than humans and they do a better job. Every year they take more and more jobs. It's just a matter of time before every manufacturing plant is run by a skeleton screw that pushes a button and calls techs when the red light flashes. I give it 5 years for tech, 15 years for everything.
Logististics is gone. Baggage handling, warehousing, bin picking, packing, and shipping are headed all automated. I give it a decade at best.
Commercial driving is gone. Automation has a proof of concept and the gains in efficiency and safety are massive. I give it 15 years before manned delivery trucks are a rarity.
The jobs are going away and I hope society is ready because it's already happening.
I mean, society obviously isn't ready
The Orange Man is a good indicator of that
I think the only real question now is whether people get comfortable with expansive socialism or every automation engineer and software developer ends up ripped limb from limb French Revolution style
So 40k for replacing a single worker, does the robot do more than one person's work? Does it replace two employees on different shifts?
What are the variables here?
How many shifts is the warehouse open for? Could it be open 24/7?
Seems like if you're doing a 1:1 comparison that a 12/hr worker just barely eeks out above a 50k/yr robot worker. Barely. And only 1. If you start asking the worker to work 10 hour days, not only are you now paying more than the robot, but you're also fucking over your worker because they will not perform as well, so there's some diminishing returns.
What are my rules for this theorycraft, someone help me.
i don't think a robot could realistically pull orders in a warehouse significantly faster than a human
not just like some john henry shit but like logistically
their main advantage is being able to work longer, not faster
Wonder if the speed thing is true anymore though.
We have a decent test case, its called Amazon.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
So 40k for replacing a single worker, does the robot do more than one person's work? Does it replace two employees on different shifts?
What are the variables here?
How many shifts is the warehouse open for? Could it be open 24/7?
Seems like if you're doing a 1:1 comparison that a 12/hr worker just barely eeks out above a 50k/yr robot worker. Barely. And only 1. If you start asking the worker to work 10 hour days, not only are you now paying more than the robot, but you're also fucking over your worker because they will not perform as well, so there's some diminishing returns.
What are my rules for this theorycraft, someone help me.
i don't think a robot could realistically pull orders in a warehouse significantly faster than a human
not just like some john henry shit but like logistically
their main advantage is being able to work longer, not faster
Wonder if the speed thing is true anymore though.
We have a decent test case, its called Amazon.
amazon is a 24 hour warehouse, which is why it makes sense for them
also they're large enough that the robots are picking pallets, not individual parts
and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side
robot employees require maintenance
in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance
Automated warehouses don't really look like manned warehouses. The shelves are super tall, aisles are narrow, everything is palletized, boxed, standardized. Maintenance isn't too bad on the cutting edge stuff amazon is looking at, but it'll be a while before it's cheap and flexible enough to hit mainstream.
i dunno about amazon's warehouse but the shit that comes in the door here from taiwan
dudes look like coal miners by the time they're done unloading a container
that would screw up some fine ass robot parts i'm sure
Robots packing it at the point of origin, robots unpacking at the destination...
Both sides have to do the dance.
SW-4158-3990-6116
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I think the only real question now is whether people get comfortable with expansive socialism or every automation engineer and software developer ends up ripped limb from limb French Revolution style
like honestly the scariest shit going right now is that the people building this shit are soooo disconnected from how incredibly fucking un-ready the bulk of society is for them and how likely it is to end in insanity
Google is essentially an insular singularity cult working to bring about the end of mankind, and they're puzzled that anyone's uncomfortable about it
Speaking of automation, here's something fun that happened several weeks ago:
Me to office manager: "You should look into replacing your payroll software because it was a struggle to get it working with windows 10, they haven't made or updated this software since windows 98"
*does research, sends 4-5 links of newer HR software that integrates with our time clock so office manager doesn't have to hand type it in*
me- "Did you get that email with all the links? You never responded, I just want to make sure we have a plan in case your computer crashes or there's an OS update that breaks your software."
her - "Yeah we decided we didn't want to change workflow at the moment because it'd break a lot of our procedures"
What I interpreted that to mean was "this is 1/4 of my work week and they'd have a hard time justifying paying me to work here if I sat around 25% of the time doing nothing and I can't afford that so I deleted the email and never told anyone."
So I made sure to let my boss know how difficult it was to restore that software and he should be concerned, but he's got so much shit on his plate he probably won't remember until shit breaks.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.
But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.
nah
it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service
because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours
I don't know your vertical, but if no one is serving 24 hours, sounds like a market space ripe for expanding into.
life isn't actually a y-combinator startup pitch, you're not a business guru, and everybody would notice low-hanging fruit if it was really that low hanging
if it were profitable for an industry to go 24 hours it would have long before our robot overlords appeared
Pfft, that's what people thought about the transportation industry until Uber was invented. :smugface:
Uber's biggest competitive advantage has been "openly flouting the law"
so I mean sure you could probably dominate an industry vertical by moving in and, say, using children to do the small assembly work
that would be tres innovative
So you say I just need to call it Assemblr and I will have millions in venture capital from idiots.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side
robot employees require maintenance
in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance
Automated warehouses don't really look like manned warehouses. The shelves are super tall, aisles are narrow, everything is palletized, boxed, standardized. Maintenance isn't too bad on the cutting edge stuff amazon is looking at, but it'll be a while before it's cheap and flexible enough to hit mainstream.
i dunno about amazon's warehouse but the shit that comes in the door here from taiwan
dudes look like coal miners by the time they're done unloading a container
that would screw up some fine ass robot parts i'm sure
Robots packing it at the point of origin, robots unpacking at the destination...
Both sides have to do the dance.
i'm pretty sure our suppliers already use robots
the way they tetris in those containers is insane
still dusty af though i'm curious how they deal with it
also we're now comparing taiwan to the us so i'm sure it's not like for like wrt workers
I feel the NRA is falling down on the job, they haven't submitted any kind of outline for a path to man-portable EMP weapons, to protect our jobs from the coming robot scourge.
You don't open with EMP small arms. They will adapt/harden for that if they aren't already. Save any EMP effects for like surprise nuke.
every engineer things they're a crack-shot combat genius Internet Tough Guy
I'd give 'em like 30 seconds tops
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Everybody who has used the term "vertical" in the past few pages no longer gets to make fun of business buzzword speak.
If I'm going to catch shit for saying I work with "big data", y'all don't get to throw around words like "vertical" that I still only have a vague idea of what they mean despite like 4 different posts to provide context.
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Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.
But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.
nah
it doesn't make sense in my entire industry because we aren't a 24 hour service
because the customers we serve are not open 24 hours
I don't know your vertical, but if no one is serving 24 hours, sounds like a market space ripe for expanding into.
life isn't actually a y-combinator startup pitch, you're not a business guru, and everybody would notice low-hanging fruit if it was really that low hanging
if it were profitable for an industry to go 24 hours it would have long before our robot overlords appeared
Pfft, that's what people thought about the transportation industry until Uber was invented. :smugface:
Uber's biggest competitive advantage has been "openly flouting the law"
so I mean sure you could probably dominate an industry vertical by moving in and, say, using children to do the small assembly work
that would be tres innovative
So you say I just need to call it Assemblr and I will have millions in venture capital from idiots.
Peter Thiel just got a boner and he doesn't even know why yet
I think the only real question now is whether people get comfortable with expansive socialism or every automation engineer and software developer ends up ripped limb from limb French Revolution style
like honestly the scariest shit going right now is that the people building this shit are soooo disconnected from how incredibly fucking un-ready the bulk of society is for them and how likely it is to end in insanity
Google is essentially an insular singularity cult working to bring about the end of mankind, and they're puzzled that anyone's uncomfortable about it
storm's a-brewing
It's an interesting thing to watch. I have concerns, but we have found a way to get around those concerns in the past. We'll need to adapt, but we are a pretty adaptable species.
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I think the only real question now is whether people get comfortable with expansive socialism or every automation engineer and software developer ends up ripped limb from limb French Revolution style
like honestly the scariest shit going right now is that the people building this shit are soooo disconnected from how incredibly fucking un-ready the bulk of society is for them and how likely it is to end in insanity
Google is essentially an insular singularity cult working to bring about the end of mankind, and they're puzzled that anyone's uncomfortable about it
storm's a-brewing
It's an interesting thing to watch. I have concerns, but we have found a way to get around those concerns in the past. We'll need to adapt, but we are a pretty adaptable species.
well before it was replacing work with other work
this is kind of more replacing a lot of work with a lot less work
I feel the NRA is falling down on the job, they haven't submitted any kind of outline for a path to man-portable EMP weapons, to protect our jobs from the coming robot scourge.
You don't open with EMP small arms. They will adapt/harden for that if they aren't already. Save any EMP effects for like surprise nuke.
Look I've played an energy weapons build in the last two Fallout releases I think I know what I'm talking about.
Just in case, I have plenty of teddy bears to slingshot launch.
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i work in crash parts though
Automated warehouses don't really look like manned warehouses. The shelves are super tall, aisles are narrow, everything is palletized, boxed, standardized. Maintenance isn't too bad on the cutting edge stuff amazon is looking at, but it'll be a while before it's cheap and flexible enough to hit mainstream.
One of the perks of switching to the sales engineering side is that I could do the listening part without the territory management part. One thing that tends to get lost in discussions of sales people is long verses short sales cycle. Short sales cycle guys tend to be the people who you're gonna hate. Mostly because stuff like high pressure tactics will work in short sales cycle but not long. Guys doing long sales cycle stuff generally can't do stuff like that because over the course of the sales cycle it fucks them.
I will point out that no matter what kind of sales organization it is, Sales Managers will be the worst and most political shitheads.
Well, except the wiring harnesses...
*shudder*
sounds exhausting
*hires robot to wave sign and play recorded protest slogan*
Back Office is also on the way out. We are aggregating HR/Accounting/Office Mgmt work at a rapid pace into companies that automate as much as they can and use a few employees for every 10k customers.
Analyst and Dispatch jobs are on the way out - we already automate skill matrix/schedule management/geolocation to determine who is available to do work and when.
Like, so many fucking jobs are going away.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
i dunno about amazon's warehouse but the shit that comes in the door here from taiwan
dudes look like coal miners by the time they're done unloading a container
that would screw up some fine ass robot parts i'm sure
Uber's biggest competitive advantage has been "openly flouting the law"
so I mean sure you could probably dominate an industry vertical by moving in and, say, using children to do the small assembly work
that would be tres innovative
Number Five is my slave name beep boop
Oh, the engineers will be prepared.
Wonder if the speed thing is true anymore though.
We have a decent test case, its called Amazon.
amazon is a 24 hour warehouse, which is why it makes sense for them
also they're large enough that the robots are picking pallets, not individual parts
Robots packing it at the point of origin, robots unpacking at the destination...
Both sides have to do the dance.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
like honestly the scariest shit going right now is that the people building this shit are soooo disconnected from how incredibly fucking un-ready the bulk of society is for them and how likely it is to end in insanity
Google is essentially an insular singularity cult working to bring about the end of mankind, and they're puzzled that anyone's uncomfortable about it
storm's a-brewing
Me to office manager: "You should look into replacing your payroll software because it was a struggle to get it working with windows 10, they haven't made or updated this software since windows 98"
*does research, sends 4-5 links of newer HR software that integrates with our time clock so office manager doesn't have to hand type it in*
me- "Did you get that email with all the links? You never responded, I just want to make sure we have a plan in case your computer crashes or there's an OS update that breaks your software."
her - "Yeah we decided we didn't want to change workflow at the moment because it'd break a lot of our procedures"
What I interpreted that to mean was "this is 1/4 of my work week and they'd have a hard time justifying paying me to work here if I sat around 25% of the time doing nothing and I can't afford that so I deleted the email and never told anyone."
So I made sure to let my boss know how difficult it was to restore that software and he should be concerned, but he's got so much shit on his plate he probably won't remember until shit breaks.
So you say I just need to call it Assemblr and I will have millions in venture capital from idiots.
That's only because I know the automated stuff isn't going to cover my problem, though.
Because I do everything in my power NOT to make that phone call in the first place, by looking up solutions online.
It's only if I know I need to speak to a human being that I actually call someone. For me, it's rare that that happens.
People with simple problems should use the damn automated system so the actual people can be freed up to talk to me about MY problems.
...
I don't know where I'm going with this, or if it even contradicts the point you're making in your post.
There is a company that wrote a bot that talks to Comcast with the objective of getting better discounts
This is a service I would pay for
i'm pretty sure our suppliers already use robots
the way they tetris in those containers is insane
still dusty af though i'm curious how they deal with it
also we're now comparing taiwan to the us so i'm sure it's not like for like wrt workers
I think you're a day late for that one
You don't open with EMP small arms. They will adapt/harden for that if they aren't already. Save any EMP effects for like surprise nuke.
naw they're super fucked
every engineer things they're a crack-shot combat genius Internet Tough Guy
I'd give 'em like 30 seconds tops
If I'm going to catch shit for saying I work with "big data", y'all don't get to throw around words like "vertical" that I still only have a vague idea of what they mean despite like 4 different posts to provide context.
I'd liek to crash parts
into you
...MY parts
am I coming through clear?
Peter Thiel just got a boner and he doesn't even know why yet
Okay about this part though
oh loud and clear fella
im learning a lot about myself today
well before it was replacing work with other work
this is kind of more replacing a lot of work with a lot less work
Look I've played an energy weapons build in the last two Fallout releases I think I know what I'm talking about.
Just in case, I have plenty of teddy bears to slingshot launch.
every single one man
especially you
especially me