So, now I'm genuinely curious: does anyone have any idea what Mexico / Canada push for, if Trump does in fact follow through on his latest screed of re-negotiating NAFTA?
I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
She could have easily departed in the glow of helping a trashfire of a campaign win the 2016 election - on a technicality - into any number of cushy PR jobs. Kellyanne "alternative facts" Conway does not need anybody's sympathy. Nobody in Trump's administration needs sympathy, they need admonition until they're all booted out onto their sorry asses.
Especially Ivanka. Don't normalize her for being the "sane one", sure she can't choose her family, but that doesn't mean she's a saint.
Being recognised as "the sane one" is not turning into her a saint, merely acknowledging that she's the least obvious dumpster fire in her family. We know she's conservative, but she's ruthlessly efficient at maintaining her image and shows competency - which is step up from her relatives, minus Melania. We really don't know what she's like underneath, best case scenario she's a neocon.
So, now I'm genuinely curious: does anyone have any idea what Mexico / Canada push for, if Trump does in fact follow through on his latest screed of re-negotiating NAFTA?
I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
I think Trump sees no issue with simply reneging on an agreement. He certainly hasn't in the past.
So, now I'm genuinely curious: does anyone have any idea what Mexico / Canada push for, if Trump does in fact follow through on his latest screed of re-negotiating NAFTA?
I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
There are too many variables in play to make much of a prediction, I think. One, in particular, is going to be whether Canada and Mexico are going to proceed with TPP even if the US abandons it. For Canada, the implementation of CETA is going to be important as well.
If Trump pushes for a protectionist slant to NAFTA, my guess would be that Trudeau will try to diversify Canada's trading partners and continue pursuing overseas trade. But it's extremely unclear how Trump actually wants to renegotiate NAFTA, since Canada's a resource-exporting nation and several US industries find it extremely profitable to operate in/extract out of Canada, in particular oil and automobile. At the same time, leaving NAFTA as is would open a massive loophole in Trump's protectionist trade policies, since corporations from other nations could start locating their production facilities in Canada/Mexico to bypass US tariffs on their home nations.
Still, there are absolutely certain Canadian bugaboos with NAFTA, in particular softwood, agricultural co-ops, water and resourcing, and corporate rights to sue. But as with all things diplomatic, it's a give-and-take, and it remains to be seen what Trumps wants to take.
I don't understand anything about why they want to move the embassy but I saw how negative and possibly violent the reactions will be and well
it's fucked up that we can take an action that will illicit violent response and then act like it's not our fault at all. I really can't understand a view of the world that basically says "yeah, try it!" when people say 'hey you're doing something that really upsets us and we may fight you'
who wants to fight that badly over nothing? or at least, something I view as nothing, which I guess is the point.
Netanyahu wants to kill the possibility of a two-state solution, getting the capital recognized as Jerusalem is the start to that.
Trouble is, i can't see a single country other than the US who would go for it, and the US only will do so as long as a Republican is in office. Netanyahu's fucked up by doubling down on the party with shrinking demographics and a dim political future, alienating Democrats in the process.
If he pushes very aggressively into Palestine while the US defends them from diplomatic backlash... I mean, shit, the Israeli PM can do a lot of absolutely horrid stuff in four years.
So, now I'm genuinely curious: does anyone have any idea what Mexico / Canada push for, if Trump does in fact follow through on his latest screed of re-negotiating NAFTA?
I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
There are too many variables in play to make much of a prediction, I think. One, in particular, is going to be whether Canada and Mexico are going to proceed with TPP even if the US abandons it. For Canada, the implementation of CETA is going to be important as well.
If Trump pushes for a protectionist slant to NAFTA, my guess would be that Trudeau will try to diversify Canada's trading partners and continue pursuing overseas trade. But it's extremely unclear how Trump actually wants to renegotiate NAFTA, since Canada's a resource-exporting nation and several US industries find it extremely profitable to operate in/extract out of Canada, in particular oil and automobile. At the same time, leaving NAFTA as is would open a massive loophole in Trump's protectionist trade policies, since corporations from other nations could start locating their production facilities in Canada/Mexico to bypass US tariffs on their home nations.
Still, there are absolutely certain Canadian bugaboos with NAFTA, in particular softwood, agricultural co-ops, water and resourcing, and corporate rights to sue. But as with all things diplomatic, it's a give-and-take, and it remains to be seen what Trumps wants to take.
Trump hasn't mentioned Canada much AFIAK. As a Canadian, I'm not really all that worried if he's stupid enough to cancel NAFTA and the preceeding Canada-US free trade agreement.
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I'm curious - has trump enacted that loony plan that was on his website to get Mexico to pay for the wall that was meant to start on day 1 of his term?
I'm curious - has trump enacted that loony plan that was on his website to get Mexico to pay for the wall that was meant to start on day 1 of his term?
He is asking Congress to approve paying for it first, then will ask Mexico to reimburse once it is complete
I'm curious - has trump enacted that loony plan that was on his website to get Mexico to pay for the wall that was meant to start on day 1 of his term?
Fact: no
Alt-fact: That was never the plan, only the FAKE NEWS about the real plan
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I just had to drop in and relieve the pressure building up in my skull by screaming about Kellyanne's "alternative facts" bullshit she tried to throw at Chuck Todd.
I expect this administration to lie. I expect it regularly. I expect it to be wild and egregious nonsense. I expect it to be petty.
But to send your press secretary out in front of all of us - ALL OF US - and be so petty and dictatorial that you feel the need to lie about your tiny-ass inaugural showing?
Jesus, man. This might be the longest 4 years of my life if this is how we're kicking things off.
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I'm curious - has trump enacted that loony plan that was on his website to get Mexico to pay for the wall that was meant to start on day 1 of his term?
He is asking Congress to approve paying for it first, then will ask Mexico to reimburse once it is complete
So pfffffffffffhahahahahahahahahahaha
What construction company would want the job? You know they are only going to get a small percentage of what was promised and told to wait for Mexico to pay up for the rest.
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Being recognised as "the sane one" is not turning into her a saint, merely acknowledging that she's the least obvious dumpster fire in her family. We know she's conservative, but she's ruthlessly efficient at maintaining her image and shows competency - which is step up from her relatives, minus Melania. We really don't know what she's like underneath, best case scenario she's a neocon.
Ex-wife Ivana (Ivanka's mother) is the one she gets it the intelligence/competency from- she ran Trump's hotels better than he did and took him to the cleaners in the divorce. Melania looks miserable in every picture because First Lady isn't what she wanted (or really is capable of). Ivana would have thrived.
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So, now I'm genuinely curious: does anyone have any idea what Mexico / Canada push for, if Trump does in fact follow through on his latest screed of re-negotiating NAFTA?
I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
Canadian articles have noted that all discussions with Trump's team on renegotiating NAFTA is focused almost entirely on Mexican issues, with Canada being not at all the focus. The two main points of contention that seem to be focused on are country of origin rules and the independent dispute mechanism.
Canada's been using Mulroney as a go-between since there are apparently personal connections with the Trump administration that we can exploit, but for now it's going to go come down to the actual negotiations to see how serious they are.
Yeah I set my phone to show signal strength instead of the useless bars. Right now it's -91, if you're curious. Which translates to two bars of strength apparently.
So, now I'm genuinely curious: does anyone have any idea what Mexico / Canada push for, if Trump does in fact follow through on his latest screed of re-negotiating NAFTA?
I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
Canadian articles have noted that all discussions with Trump's team on renegotiating NAFTA is focused almost entirely on Mexican issues, with Canada being not at all the focus. The two main points of contention that seem to be focused on are country of origin rules and the independent dispute mechanism.
Canada's been using Mulroney as a go-between since there are apparently personal connections with the Trump administration that we can exploit, but for now it's going to go come down to the actual negotiations to see how serious they are.
Given Trump's capacity for negotiation, I think Canada will get to annex the Pacific Northwest and we'll get Windsor and the naming rights to Hudson Bay.
I'm curious - has trump enacted that loony plan that was on his website to get Mexico to pay for the wall that was meant to start on day 1 of his term?
He is asking Congress to approve paying for it first, then will ask Mexico to reimburse once it is complete
So pfffffffffffhahahahahahahahahahaha
What construction company would want the job? You know they are only going to get a small percentage of what was promised and told to wait for Mexico to pay up for the rest.
You think they are actually going to get Mexico to pay for it? bwahahaha.
Here's how it's going to go.
Congress approves (hopefully not).
Contract goes out to someone that is selected (probably with strangely close ties to Trump in some way).
Job starts, and the costs spiral completely out of control for years, if not decades, all on the taxpayers dime.
This is presented with "alternative facts" so that it doesn't look bad.
Mexico never pays for anything, but there's lots to talk about how Trump is leveraging trade deals or whatever to recoup costs even when the reality is they are doing absolutely nothing.
Maybe they slip in a few more, "oh, you can't count this debt as real debt" somewhere so that they can claim that they made back money.
In the end, it won't matter. If they ultimately go through with it, it's going to be a colossal expense that is 100% going to come out of our pocketbooks, and no one elses, and will be lining the pockets of any company involved for many years to come.
They might hire a few small no name ones for parts to throw to the wolves for cost overruns, but that's the most I'd expect to happen.
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
right the alternative is Trump basically ends up trying to extort the money out of Mexico by adding tarriffs and upping legal crossing fees and whatnot.
course in the long run that hurts Amercians as much as anyone else.
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I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I saw that on Facebook and barely gave it the time of day.
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I saw that on Facebook and barely gave it the time of day.
It's credible enough until you remember there are still Tea Party and alt-right white nationalist shitweasels ready to primary somebody.
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I think they are giving america too little credit also.
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I think they are giving america too little credit also.
I'm mildly concerned that if this happens in ~3 years, the honeymoon of "oh thank christ Trump's gone" will let Pence win the next election.
Though the greater concern is Trump purging the Republicans and replacing the party apparatus with loyalists. Hindenburg always though he was the one in control of the populist demagogue, after all.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I just had to drop in and relieve the pressure building up in my skull by screaming about Kellyanne's "alternative facts" bullshit she tried to throw at Chuck Todd.
I expect this administration to lie. I expect it regularly. I expect it to be wild and egregious nonsense. I expect it to be petty.
But to send your press secretary out in front of all of us - ALL OF US - and be so petty and dictatorial that you feel the need to lie about your tiny-ass inaugural showing?
Jesus, man. This might be the longest 4 years of my life if this is how we're kicking things off.
It's already so tiring. I loved checking the politics threads during the election, but I was expecting things to go back to a quiet normal afterwards. I can't go a few hours anymore without feeling like I need to check if anything insane has happened, and I don't see that changing much at all for the next four years.
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I think that's what the establishment GOP thinks it's play is gonna be. But they will chicken out.
How the fuck did we get here? If we had to have a raging narcissist as the US president again, why couldn't he have been more like LBJ instead of an orange lunatic?
You've had a party of radical apocalyptic religious racist pro-greed fascists backed by a base that won't abandon them no matter what and a party that will do anything to win for decades now and no one has really been interested in doing anything about it.
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I think they are giving america too little credit also.
I'm mildly concerned that if this happens in ~3 years, the honeymoon of "oh thank christ Trump's gone" will let Pence win the next election.
How is a lawful evil cardboard figure, with no likeable positions nor charisma at all, going to win anything? Democrats nominating Nigel Farage for 2020?
I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:
Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.
Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?
Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.
Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?
Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.
Me: A while?
Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.
Me: And then what?
Him (laughing): They like Pence.
Me: What do you mean?
Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.
Me: So what?
Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...
Me: They impeach him?
Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.
I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
I think they are giving america too little credit also.
I'm mildly concerned that if this happens in ~3 years, the honeymoon of "oh thank christ Trump's gone" will let Pence win the next election.
How is a lawful evil cardboard figure, with no likeable positions nor charisma at all, going to win anything? Democrats nominating Nigel Farage for 2020?
Said the same thing about Trump.
Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.
Trump was the absolute worst pick and the Republicans still showed up. The onus is on Dems to lose and we are really good at losing.
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I mean, Trumps positioning seems obvious, but I'm genuinely curious what the outcomes Mexico would like to achieve in such a re-negotiation - end of corn subsidies? Canada, I know even less about, but if anyone has any stories that actually look at what such a negotiation would entail for the other parties that agree to it, I'd love to see it. Everything I can find just talks about how Trump has declared that he wants to do it, while ignoring the other parties to the agreement.
Being recognised as "the sane one" is not turning into her a saint, merely acknowledging that she's the least obvious dumpster fire in her family. We know she's conservative, but she's ruthlessly efficient at maintaining her image and shows competency - which is step up from her relatives, minus Melania. We really don't know what she's like underneath, best case scenario she's a neocon.
I think Trump sees no issue with simply reneging on an agreement. He certainly hasn't in the past.
There are too many variables in play to make much of a prediction, I think. One, in particular, is going to be whether Canada and Mexico are going to proceed with TPP even if the US abandons it. For Canada, the implementation of CETA is going to be important as well.
If Trump pushes for a protectionist slant to NAFTA, my guess would be that Trudeau will try to diversify Canada's trading partners and continue pursuing overseas trade. But it's extremely unclear how Trump actually wants to renegotiate NAFTA, since Canada's a resource-exporting nation and several US industries find it extremely profitable to operate in/extract out of Canada, in particular oil and automobile. At the same time, leaving NAFTA as is would open a massive loophole in Trump's protectionist trade policies, since corporations from other nations could start locating their production facilities in Canada/Mexico to bypass US tariffs on their home nations.
Still, there are absolutely certain Canadian bugaboos with NAFTA, in particular softwood, agricultural co-ops, water and resourcing, and corporate rights to sue. But as with all things diplomatic, it's a give-and-take, and it remains to be seen what Trumps wants to take.
Netanyahu wants to kill the possibility of a two-state solution, getting the capital recognized as Jerusalem is the start to that.
Trouble is, i can't see a single country other than the US who would go for it, and the US only will do so as long as a Republican is in office. Netanyahu's fucked up by doubling down on the party with shrinking demographics and a dim political future, alienating Democrats in the process.
Trump hasn't mentioned Canada much AFIAK. As a Canadian, I'm not really all that worried if he's stupid enough to cancel NAFTA and the preceeding Canada-US free trade agreement.
He is asking Congress to approve paying for it first, then will ask Mexico to reimburse once it is complete
So pfffffffffffhahahahahahahahahahaha
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Fact: no
Alt-fact: That was never the plan, only the FAKE NEWS about the real plan
Frankenstien's Monster turning on its creator? WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING.
I expect this administration to lie. I expect it regularly. I expect it to be wild and egregious nonsense. I expect it to be petty.
But to send your press secretary out in front of all of us - ALL OF US - and be so petty and dictatorial that you feel the need to lie about your tiny-ass inaugural showing?
Jesus, man. This might be the longest 4 years of my life if this is how we're kicking things off.
Pretty sure anything we get out of wikileaks will be edited to shit.
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What construction company would want the job? You know they are only going to get a small percentage of what was promised and told to wait for Mexico to pay up for the rest.
Canadian articles have noted that all discussions with Trump's team on renegotiating NAFTA is focused almost entirely on Mexican issues, with Canada being not at all the focus. The two main points of contention that seem to be focused on are country of origin rules and the independent dispute mechanism.
Canada's been using Mulroney as a go-between since there are apparently personal connections with the Trump administration that we can exploit, but for now it's going to go come down to the actual negotiations to see how serious they are.
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I've already adjusted my retirement plan accordingly.
These are true facts.
Just wait until they repeal (and don't bother replacing) the aca. That will be a depression all by itself
Dems need to start calling Trump The Walking Recession, and call the GOP The Recession Party.
Given Trump's capacity for negotiation, I think Canada will get to annex the Pacific Northwest and we'll get Windsor and the naming rights to Hudson Bay.
You think they are actually going to get Mexico to pay for it? bwahahaha.
Here's how it's going to go.
Congress approves (hopefully not).
Contract goes out to someone that is selected (probably with strangely close ties to Trump in some way).
Job starts, and the costs spiral completely out of control for years, if not decades, all on the taxpayers dime.
This is presented with "alternative facts" so that it doesn't look bad.
Mexico never pays for anything, but there's lots to talk about how Trump is leveraging trade deals or whatever to recoup costs even when the reality is they are doing absolutely nothing.
Maybe they slip in a few more, "oh, you can't count this debt as real debt" somewhere so that they can claim that they made back money.
In the end, it won't matter. If they ultimately go through with it, it's going to be a colossal expense that is 100% going to come out of our pocketbooks, and no one elses, and will be lining the pockets of any company involved for many years to come.
They might hire a few small no name ones for parts to throw to the wolves for cost overruns, but that's the most I'd expect to happen.
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I think he's giving the congressional GOP too much credit.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
course in the long run that hurts Amercians as much as anyone else.
I saw that on Facebook and barely gave it the time of day.
It's credible enough until you remember there are still Tea Party and alt-right white nationalist shitweasels ready to primary somebody.
I think they are giving america too little credit also.
On the bright side, this might help the US/CAN exchange rate. Save me some money.
I'm mildly concerned that if this happens in ~3 years, the honeymoon of "oh thank christ Trump's gone" will let Pence win the next election.
Though the greater concern is Trump purging the Republicans and replacing the party apparatus with loyalists. Hindenburg always though he was the one in control of the populist demagogue, after all.
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It's already so tiring. I loved checking the politics threads during the election, but I was expecting things to go back to a quiet normal afterwards. I can't go a few hours anymore without feeling like I need to check if anything insane has happened, and I don't see that changing much at all for the next four years.
I think that's what the establishment GOP thinks it's play is gonna be. But they will chicken out.
the GOP is Trump and Trump is the GOP
alternativefacts.com exists, and redirects to a NYT article.
You've had a party of radical apocalyptic religious racist pro-greed fascists backed by a base that won't abandon them no matter what and a party that will do anything to win for decades now and no one has really been interested in doing anything about it.
Said the same thing about Trump.
Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.
Trump was the absolute worst pick and the Republicans still showed up. The onus is on Dems to lose and we are really good at losing.