I'm only around halfway into book 2. It this shit goes to zombies I'm so fucking out.
Book 2 Ending and other book spoilers, if you want them:
The end of Book 2 is probably the last thing that can be called a "zombie". Everything after that is something else. No more "infection" or taking over the host type thing. The protomolecule does what it's supposed to do, and it's basically finished at that point. There's one bit, in I think book 3?, where the protomolecule eats some people. But it basically just uses them as raw materials to do some other stuff after they make it angry. The protomolecule is not really the "bad guy" for most of the books. The "bad guy" is always a human or group of humans. There are hints about something else... and hopefully that will be explored in the book after Babylon's Ashes.
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It is interesting, the changes between book and show. Book 2 Caliban's War stuff
Book!Naomi would have come clean to Holden the moment they had their first protomolecule conversation in this episode. "You didn't tell me about Cortazar, that's okay, because I didn't tell you about the missile full of protomolecule that I told you I destroyed."
Show!Naomi is way more dodgy than her book counterpart, which is okay, insofar as the show probably needs moment-to-moment drama instead of just snappy writing. At least it isn't a CW show, with HIDDEN! SECRETS! MUCH DRAMA! SO BETRAYAL!
In the book, Prax never left Ganymede after the incident. He spends a week looking for Mei before Holden & Co. show up at Fred's behest to investigate (they weren't involved with any Tycho intrigue or a hostage situation).
Drummer is way more of a character in the show vs. the book. Makes me wonder if they're just going to not develop Sam at all and have Drummer take her parts.
New episode!
It is interesting, the changes between book and show. Book 2 Caliban's War stuff
Book!Naomi would have come clean to Holden the moment they had their first protomolecule conversation in this episode. "You didn't tell me about Cortazar, that's okay, because I didn't tell you about the missile full of protomolecule that I told you I destroyed."
Show!Naomi is way more dodgy than her book counterpart, which is okay, insofar as the show probably needs moment-to-moment drama instead of just snappy writing. At least it isn't a CW show, with HIDDEN! SECRETS! MUCH DRAMA! SO BETRAYAL!
In the book, Prax never left Ganymede after the incident. He spends a week looking for Mei before Holden & Co. show up at Fred's behest to investigate (they weren't involved with any Tycho intrigue or a hostage situation).
Drummer is way more of a character in the show vs. the book. Makes me wonder if they're just going to not develop Sam at all and have Drummer take her parts.
Discussion of Sam (book character/spoilers):
I'm about 95% sure Show!Sam isn't going to exist. I mean, a large part of the emotional impact her death on the Behemoth was that she had built up a strong relationship between her and the Roci crew (particularly Holden and Naomi), and I feel like when they gave that "letting off steam"/racquetball scene to Drummer and Naomi and not Sam and Naomi, it was signaling that Drummer was going to be the emotional connection that the crew (or at least Naomi) has to Tycho station.
They could introduce a plucky female engineer at the beginning of season three that is helping to retrofit Nauvoo to become Behemoth, and develop Sam's character from there.
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. ~ Terry Pratchett
New episode!
It is interesting, the changes between book and show. Book 2 Caliban's War stuff
Book!Naomi would have come clean to Holden the moment they had their first protomolecule conversation in this episode. "You didn't tell me about Cortazar, that's okay, because I didn't tell you about the missile full of protomolecule that I told you I destroyed."
Show!Naomi is way more dodgy than her book counterpart, which is okay, insofar as the show probably needs moment-to-moment drama instead of just snappy writing. At least it isn't a CW show, with HIDDEN! SECRETS! MUCH DRAMA! SO BETRAYAL!
In the book, Prax never left Ganymede after the incident. He spends a week looking for Mei before Holden & Co. show up at Fred's behest to investigate (they weren't involved with any Tycho intrigue or a hostage situation).
Drummer is way more of a character in the show vs. the book. Makes me wonder if they're just going to not develop Sam at all and have Drummer take her parts.
Discussion of Sam (book character/spoilers):
I'm about 95% sure Show!Sam isn't going to exist. I mean, a large part of the emotional impact her death on the Behemoth was that she had built up a strong relationship between her and the Roci crew (particularly Holden and Naomi), and I feel like when they gave that "letting off steam"/racquetball scene to Drummer and Naomi and not Sam and Naomi, it was signaling that Drummer was going to be the emotional connection that the crew (or at least Naomi) has to Tycho station.
They could introduce a plucky female engineer at the beginning of season three that is helping to retrofit Nauvoo to become Behemoth, and develop Sam's character from there.
Continued book/show spoilers
On reddit word is the writers are saying Alli Chung is going to be back as Sam next season.
New episode!
It is interesting, the changes between book and show. Book 2 Caliban's War stuff
Book!Naomi would have come clean to Holden the moment they had their first protomolecule conversation in this episode. "You didn't tell me about Cortazar, that's okay, because I didn't tell you about the missile full of protomolecule that I told you I destroyed."
Show!Naomi is way more dodgy than her book counterpart, which is okay, insofar as the show probably needs moment-to-moment drama instead of just snappy writing. At least it isn't a CW show, with HIDDEN! SECRETS! MUCH DRAMA! SO BETRAYAL!
In the book, Prax never left Ganymede after the incident. He spends a week looking for Mei before Holden & Co. show up at Fred's behest to investigate (they weren't involved with any Tycho intrigue or a hostage situation).
Drummer is way more of a character in the show vs. the book. Makes me wonder if they're just going to not develop Sam at all and have Drummer take her parts.
Discussion of Sam (book character/spoilers):
I'm about 95% sure Show!Sam isn't going to exist. I mean, a large part of the emotional impact her death on the Behemoth was that she had built up a strong relationship between her and the Roci crew (particularly Holden and Naomi), and I feel like when they gave that "letting off steam"/racquetball scene to Drummer and Naomi and not Sam and Naomi, it was signaling that Drummer was going to be the emotional connection that the crew (or at least Naomi) has to Tycho station.
They could introduce a plucky female engineer at the beginning of season three that is helping to retrofit Nauvoo to become Behemoth, and develop Sam's character from there.
Continued book/show spoilers
On reddit word is the writers are saying Alli Chung is going to be back as Sam next season.
Not really a spoiler, but related to the spoiler
Huh! After a bit of IMDB digging, I didn't even realize that Sam was in an episode. I feel kinda silly.
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. ~ Terry Pratchett
Huh! After a bit of IMDB digging, I didn't even realize that Sam was in an episode. I feel kinda silly.
Book spoiler comments, books 2 and 3...
There was a bit of discussion about the actress a couple of pages back, mainly over the fact that her hair is not red.
If they do bring her in as a real character, they are going to have to beef up her role considerably in order for her fate to have the appropriate emotional punch
Man I knew something bad was going to happen.
(show only)
But then jesusfuck they make it a million times worse because they went through and perfectly modelled all the physics of mass-murdering a bunch of people by spacing them. Like, notice they show the ship using manoeuvering thrusters to get them out of the bay because there's just not enough air to actually "blow you" out into space?
Man I knew something bad was going to happen.
(show only)
But then jesusfuck they make it a million times worse because they went through and perfectly modelled all the physics of mass-murdering a bunch of people by spacing them. Like, notice they show the ship using manoeuvering thrusters to get them out of the bay because there's just not enough air to actually "blow you" out into space?
And then the episode just keeps going.
Yeah, that was some bad business.
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Have they confirmed that Season 3 is happening?
Also: my wife plopped down on the couch last night to see what the fuss was about. We get to the scene on the refugee ship (you know the one) ...
Wife: Did they just- ?
Me: Yeah, they did.
Wife: What the fuck is this show?!
Me: It's complicated.
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This would have been more meaningful to me if there were people other than just Meng not being spaced. Like actually show them separating the Inners form the Belters.
As soon as the Belter started saying "All Inners this way, we have nice ship for you." I knew they were all dead.
As it was, it looked like they spaced everyone except for Meng. I assume there were other people, but it's not shown well.
Book 2 vs show spoiler, differences:
Not sure I'm a big fan of refugees being sent to Tycho in the first place. The bit about the Ganymede system collapsing was done very well in the book I though, but I guess they couldn't show that on the show well?
And no "mystery" about who took Mei. They get to Strickland pretty quick. I wonder if next week's episode will end with his brother's son? I really really hope we get the scene where Meng barges in and starts a firefight, that was hysterical in the book and should play well on the screen I think.
And it does kind of crack me up that Crisjen was not in Book 1, but was all over Season 1. She's actually in Book 2, but her parts of early Book 2 are given to Holden/Naomi (the proto shout bit).
I'm just hoping the have the private conversation between Amos and Meng. Because it's such an Amos conversation, I would love to see how it plays out in the show.
Before following any advice, opinions, or thoughts I may have expressed in the above post, be warned: I found Keven Costners "Waterworld" to be a very entertaining film.
This would have been more meaningful to me if there were people other than just Meng not being spaced. Like actually show them separating the Inners form the Belters.
As soon as the Belter started saying "All Inners this way, we have nice ship for you." I knew they were all dead.
As it was, it looked like they spaced everyone except for Meng. I assume there were other people, but it's not shown well.
Book 2 vs show spoiler, differences:
Not sure I'm a big fan of refugees being sent to Tycho in the first place. The bit about the Ganymede system collapsing was done very well in the book I though, but I guess they couldn't show that on the show well?
And no "mystery" about who took Mei. They get to Strickland pretty quick. I wonder if next week's episode will end with his brother's son? I really really hope we get the scene where Meng barges in and starts a firefight, that was hysterical in the book and should play well on the screen I think.
And it does kind of crack me up that Crisjen was not in Book 1, but was all over Season 1. She's actually in Book 2, but her parts of early Book 2 are given to Holden/Naomi (the proto shout bit).
My sense was they wanted to get Prax with the Roci as quickly as possible and that was the easiest way to do it. In the book you can spend a lot of time on one character even if they are new. In a show with an ensemble cast that's hard to do and keep the audience's interest.
I always took Book!Prax as high functioning autistic or something. It is very good writing; he's an interesting character, but so much about him is internal that it's hard to translate for a show.
I wonder if the ratings are good, or if they just realize that this is their prestige show and history will dump on them for cancelling it.
*looks over at his DVD set*
I hope that has something to do with it, I don't know about you guys, but I am kinda careful about which tv shows I get the seasons of, because once I start, I tend to want to make sure its a complete set - a show has to dip considerably for me to no longer want to continue to patronize it once I've picked it up as something to sit on the shelf for when it becomes the thing I marathon, True Blood comes to mind.
They definitely ramped up the marketing of The Expanse. Found out my supervisor has read all the books and is slowly watching the show. Now I definitely need to get reading again to get caught up to him. I know some of the die hards don't like it, but I do feel like selling the "Game of Thrones in Space" meme is helping it gain attention. If it gets people to give it a chance, that is what matters.
I wonder if the ratings are good, or if they just realize that this is their prestige show and history will dump on them for cancelling it.
*looks over at his DVD set*
I hope that has something to do with it, I don't know about you guys, but I am kinda careful about which tv shows I get the seasons of, because once I start, I tend to want to make sure its a complete set - a show has to dip considerably for me to no longer want to continue to patronize it once I've picked it up as something to sit on the shelf for when it becomes the thing I marathon, True Blood comes to mind.
I don't have cable, but I bought season 2 on Amazon, which is something I've never done before. Gotta think that I'm not the only one.
I feel like I've said this like, 5 times this season, but I really am impressed with how structurally sound this season has been.
Season 1 was very much in that Netflix / binge-watching model, where each episode might have minor plotlines introduced and concluded in the space of an hour, but really it's all servicing the larger serial story. And because of the spread out storylines that only eventually came together at the end of the season, for large parts of the season we the audience knew more about what was going on than any particular character. There was still a puzzle to figure out - who's Julie, what happened to her, how's she tied up with this other shit going on - but it was the audience figuring things out first, and the characters catching up later.
In Season 2 the showrunners have plainly made an effort to restructure the over-arcing story in a way that also lets each individual episode have its own narratively satisfying arc. Every episode there's an interesting problem or puzzle, and the Roci or some other group has to puzzle their way through it. And instead of already knowing the solution (Julie's the person calling for help from the hotel) pretty much every good-guy is working on the same set of info, and the audience almost always gets the clues at the same time as the characters. This really gives a nice payoff in every episode as we watch watch the crew figure shit out in clever ways. For all of Season 1's strengths, it did often feel like we were waiting for characters to find out what we already knew, or to move where we knew they needed to be, especially in the first half, so this has really been a positive change I think.
The only storyline that has been really split apart has been Bobbie's. That's why why the early Mars Marines scenes felt so awkward, because they were still in that Season 1 mode of "This doesn't really have any payoff right now, but don't worry you'll need to know it later" style of serial storytelling. Getting away from that is why the showrunners are cheating a bit with her memory loss and not letting us know exactly what happened to kick off fighting. Because we're going to find out once the other characters find out, and have to respond to that info along with them, instead of waiting half the season for Holden to finally put things together.
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With only a couple exceptions, I've always shied away from purchasing TV shows because the price of even a single season of a popular show back in the late 90s and 2000s was ridiculous in my view. Even though prices have dropped considerably and it seems I can get a complete series of, say, Babylon 5, for the same price as it was for just one season back then. I still get a little gun shy.
My guess is that they will cliffhanger the climax of book 2/Caliban's War after putting the pieces in place for the events of book 3/Abaddon's Gate to start in S3E3 or so.
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I know we're a ways from it yet, but I wouldn't mind if they skipped Cibola Burn.
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A minor (maybe silly?) thing... But... How can a pseudonym address itself as 'I', in the singular participle? This is breaking the grammatical part of my brain.
So will their be a ship named after Mark Watney or a statue of Matt Damon tucked into a Mars background shot?
There is a ship called the Mark Watney in the latest book.
I noticed that when I read it. Wasn't sure if it was named after an in-continuity Mark Watney, or if someone naming ships just liked old sci-fi movies. But now we know!
Before following any advice, opinions, or thoughts I may have expressed in the above post, be warned: I found Keven Costners "Waterworld" to be a very entertaining film.
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Pretty sure Naomi has said "work the problem" at some point too. While not an exclusively patented line, it is Watney's mantra...
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Book 2 Ending and other book spoilers, if you want them:
Spoilers if you haven't seen up to S2E05 yet.
At the very end, the planet in front is Venus, and there is blue crinkly protomolecule stuff coming out of it for a second.
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It is interesting, the changes between book and show. Book 2 Caliban's War stuff
Show!Naomi is way more dodgy than her book counterpart, which is okay, insofar as the show probably needs moment-to-moment drama instead of just snappy writing. At least it isn't a CW show, with HIDDEN! SECRETS! MUCH DRAMA! SO BETRAYAL!
In the book, Prax never left Ganymede after the incident. He spends a week looking for Mei before Holden & Co. show up at Fred's behest to investigate (they weren't involved with any Tycho intrigue or a hostage situation).
Drummer is way more of a character in the show vs. the book. Makes me wonder if they're just going to not develop Sam at all and have Drummer take her parts.
Discussion of Sam (book character/spoilers):
They could introduce a plucky female engineer at the beginning of season three that is helping to retrofit Nauvoo to become Behemoth, and develop Sam's character from there.
Continued book/show spoilers
Not really a spoiler, but related to the spoiler
Book spoiler comments, books 2 and 3...
If they do bring her in as a real character, they are going to have to beef up her role considerably in order for her fate to have the appropriate emotional punch
(show only)
And then the episode just keeps going.
Yeah, that was some bad business.
Also: my wife plopped down on the couch last night to see what the fuss was about. We get to the scene on the refugee ship (you know the one) ...
Wife: Did they just- ?
Me: Yeah, they did.
Wife: What the fuck is this show?!
Me: It's complicated.
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As soon as the Belter started saying "All Inners this way, we have nice ship for you." I knew they were all dead.
As it was, it looked like they spaced everyone except for Meng. I assume there were other people, but it's not shown well.
Book 2 vs show spoiler, differences:
And no "mystery" about who took Mei. They get to Strickland pretty quick. I wonder if next week's episode will end with his brother's son? I really really hope we get the scene where Meng barges in and starts a firefight, that was hysterical in the book and should play well on the screen I think.
And it does kind of crack me up that Crisjen was not in Book 1, but was all over Season 1. She's actually in Book 2, but her parts of early Book 2 are given to Holden/Naomi (the proto shout bit).
Funny you should ask. Guess what got announced today?
http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/blog/this-is-not-a-drill-the-expanse-is-renewed-for-season-3
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I wonder if the ratings are good, or if they just realize that this is their prestige show and history will dump on them for cancelling it.
We don't know the Netflix numbers. I'd say they've got at least as many viewers on streaming services as they do on TV.
*looks over at his DVD set*
I hope that has something to do with it, I don't know about you guys, but I am kinda careful about which tv shows I get the seasons of, because once I start, I tend to want to make sure its a complete set - a show has to dip considerably for me to no longer want to continue to patronize it once I've picked it up as something to sit on the shelf for when it becomes the thing I marathon, True Blood comes to mind.
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I don't have cable, but I bought season 2 on Amazon, which is something I've never done before. Gotta think that I'm not the only one.
Season 1 was very much in that Netflix / binge-watching model, where each episode might have minor plotlines introduced and concluded in the space of an hour, but really it's all servicing the larger serial story. And because of the spread out storylines that only eventually came together at the end of the season, for large parts of the season we the audience knew more about what was going on than any particular character. There was still a puzzle to figure out - who's Julie, what happened to her, how's she tied up with this other shit going on - but it was the audience figuring things out first, and the characters catching up later.
In Season 2 the showrunners have plainly made an effort to restructure the over-arcing story in a way that also lets each individual episode have its own narratively satisfying arc. Every episode there's an interesting problem or puzzle, and the Roci or some other group has to puzzle their way through it. And instead of already knowing the solution (Julie's the person calling for help from the hotel) pretty much every good-guy is working on the same set of info, and the audience almost always gets the clues at the same time as the characters. This really gives a nice payoff in every episode as we watch watch the crew figure shit out in clever ways. For all of Season 1's strengths, it did often feel like we were waiting for characters to find out what we already knew, or to move where we knew they needed to be, especially in the first half, so this has really been a positive change I think.
The only storyline that has been really split apart has been Bobbie's. That's why why the early Mars Marines scenes felt so awkward, because they were still in that Season 1 mode of "This doesn't really have any payoff right now, but don't worry you'll need to know it later" style of serial storytelling. Getting away from that is why the showrunners are cheating a bit with her memory loss and not letting us know exactly what happened to kick off fighting. Because we're going to find out once the other characters find out, and have to respond to that info along with them, instead of waiting half the season for Holden to finally put things together.
Not so with The Expanse. S1 and 2 on Google Play
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Yep, that's what we're talking about.
My guess is that they will cliffhanger the climax of book 2/Caliban's War after putting the pieces in place for the events of book 3/Abaddon's Gate to start in S3E3 or so.
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They really shouldn't.
It has a lot of super important stuff in it that has to be done before Nemesis Games.
What they can do, though, is relegate it to a three or four episode arc.
Also (don't read, show only people)
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Riots if not.
So will their be a ship named after Mark Watney or a statue of Matt Damon tucked into a Mars background shot?
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There is a ship called the Mark Watney in the latest book.
I noticed that when I read it. Wasn't sure if it was named after an in-continuity Mark Watney, or if someone naming ships just liked old sci-fi movies. But now we know!
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