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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    wazilla wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    Honestly, that's not a bad plan.

    Precisely. It's better to be a suicide statistic than it is to risk the danger that a man might let their anger out productively in a group setting.

    Holy false dichotomy, Batman.

    Although, honestly, I can't imagine anything worse than a group of like 10 cisgender hetero white men

    Replace race and gender and we've got quite a fucking comment here, don't we?

    Wow.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 gay jew men.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 lesbian black women.

    How the fuck

    jungleroomx on
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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    that is clearly what we are all saying

    I'm not addressing "you all" I was addressing specific comments, which is why I quoted them.

    no, you're trying to backdoor an MRA argument into [chat], "they all" are telling you it's not welcome.

    I mean that's what's happening right now, in case anyone doesn't get it.

    Like, go forward from here with that knowledge but christ everyone stop beating around the bush with it.

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    No, Roommate, not everyone is into Staind, so stop blaring it please.

    I'm on the outside

    Of the bar and I'm lookin in

    Psn:wazukki
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    cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Nah. Gendered support for things that are usually particularly gendered issues isn't a bad idea at all.

    I could certainly understand if some woman wouldn't want to be in the middle of a room of distressed men who's trouble is rooted in their wives.

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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    GODDAMMIT [CHAT]

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    KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    And thus the chat race gender war began anew

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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Ah yes, "fuck men in particular", we were overdo for that comment in chat.

    I remain not a fan of that sentiment

    but it is interesting to figure out why we have such negative reactions to a men's group, whereas for a women's group we'd probably think 'hm, yeah, makes sense, maybe she needs a safe space because she was abused, or like maybe she didn't work or do the finances and now needs help being independent'

    ...and I don't really like that train of thought either? Yeah, in principle, given the reality that both men and women often feel more comfortable bro'ing out/opening up within gender lines, there's nothing wrong with the concept of gendered support groups.

    all very hetero-assuming here of course

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    I guess I will just put out my random thoughts. But the East feels cramped to me. I am not sure there is a better word.

    So when I picked up my dog I did 160 mile round trip. Not major driving but it was from VA to the MD/PA border. Lots of side roads through farm country as well. And it felt so small. I am not sure why.

    For me driving 80 miles north of Denver is basically Fort Collins, well past Fort Collins towards Cheyenne. But in between always feels full of empty. You hit lots of places with nothing in between. Driving through Maryland it wasn't till I was 60+ miles away did the empty farm land start. It was so odd.

    The East always makes me feel crowded and I am not sure what drives it. Even getting out though I feel crowded. Maybe because the population of the city area is the equivalent of the entire state I grew up. I could drive 30 minutes in CO hit one of the parks and see no human souls for hours. Can't do that here.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    -signs up for men's support group
    -turns out it's all jockstrap salesmen

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    when I think "men's support group" the image that comes to mind is not dudes dealing with the problems of toxic hyper-masculinity and such. It's a bunch of people who use the word faggot like old telegrams used STOP.

    Attacked by tweeeeeeees!
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    look, I'm a white cisman so I'm allowed to bag on white cismen

    that's how this works

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    but like really there are going to be gendered experiences in a lot of divorces

    i imagine men's support groups are like 80% "i don't get to see my kids any more"

    ain't nothing wrong with wanting to express that with people also sharing the same experience

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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    Honestly, that's not a bad plan.

    Precisely. It's better to be a suicide statistic than it is to risk the danger that a man might let their anger out productively in a group setting.

    Holy false dichotomy, Batman.

    Although, honestly, I can't imagine anything worse than a group of like 10 cisgender hetero white men

    Replace race and gender and we've got quite a fucking comment here, don't we?

    Wow.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 gay jew men.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 lesbian black women.

    How the fuck

    Man being in control of everything in a country for hundreds of years will fuck a group of people up!

    Psn:wazukki
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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    oh man this pregnancy thing... is it a bot or a real poster?
    robots can't get pregnant!

    Not with that attitude.

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    TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Abolish the gender system.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    You know people using white men like it's a slur is the reason MRAs exist in the first place

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    listening to a group of men commiserate around their common scorn for the other gender probably has never led to any malicious actions ever you're right

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Being able to vent without getting sniped is a healthy part of the coping process.

    So yes, I can 100% understand why people would prefer a gendered support group just as much as I 100% understand why women's shelters don't typically allow battered husbands to stay with them.

    Jesus Christ.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    Honestly, that's not a bad plan.

    Precisely. It's better to be a suicide statistic than it is to risk the danger that a man might let their anger out productively in a group setting.

    Holy false dichotomy, Batman.

    Although, honestly, I can't imagine anything worse than a group of like 10 cisgender hetero white men

    Replace race and gender and we've got quite a fucking comment here, don't we?

    Wow.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 gay jew men.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 lesbian black women.

    How the fuck

    Man being in control of everything in a country for hundreds of years will fuck a group of people up!

    Being an reasonable fuckhead to people you don't know is a shitty fucking attitude. So fuck you.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    You know people using white men like it's a slur is the reason MRAs exist in the first place

    correlation =/= causation

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    Honestly, that's not a bad plan.

    Precisely. It's better to be a suicide statistic than it is to risk the danger that a man might let their anger out productively in a group setting.

    Holy false dichotomy, Batman.

    Although, honestly, I can't imagine anything worse than a group of like 10 cisgender hetero white men

    Replace race and gender and we've got quite a fucking comment here, don't we?

    Wow.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 gay jew men.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 lesbian black women.

    How the fuck

    Is this a joke? Because yeah you totally change the context and meaning of a sentence and it means something else. Woop de fucking doo.

    Attacked by tweeeeeeees!
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

    YOURE NOT MY DAD

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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    cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    Still, I think it's a legit disservice to a group that may be trying to help folks without knowing. Nothing about what that therapist said sounds unreasonable.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    Honestly, that's not a bad plan.

    Precisely. It's better to be a suicide statistic than it is to risk the danger that a man might let their anger out productively in a group setting.

    Holy false dichotomy, Batman.

    Although, honestly, I can't imagine anything worse than a group of like 10 cisgender hetero white men

    Replace race and gender and we've got quite a fucking comment here, don't we?

    Wow.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 gay jew men.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 lesbian black women.

    How the fuck

    Is this a joke? Because yeah you totally change the context and meaning of a sentence and it means something else. Woop de fucking doo.

    And you.

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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    -signs up for men's support group
    -turns out it's all jockstrap salesmen

    Not again!

    Psn:wazukki
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    listening to a group of men commiserate around their common scorn for the other gender probably has never led to any malicious actions ever you're right

    Well i've been in dozens of women's bathrooms bitching about men being scumbags and now women control the world's governments and Hillary Clinton is president

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    lol I should have left chat 2 pages ago when it was good music and the "am I pregnant" girl y'all fucking have fun with this nonsense.

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    The IT trailer looks great

    Buuut it comes out over a month after The Dark Tower movie.

    And we still don't have a Dark Tower trailer?

    WHERE IS IT DAMNIT

    At least IT looks great, hope they have some DT references.

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    NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    that is clearly what we are all saying

    I'm not addressing "you all" I was addressing specific comments, which is why I quoted them.

    no, you're trying to backdoor an MRA argument into [chat], "they all" are telling you it's not welcome.

    I mean that's what's happening right now, in case anyone doesn't get it.

    Like, go forward from here with that knowledge but christ everyone stop beating around the bush with it.

    I'm not trying to backdoor an MRA argument into anything. Pointing out a bias isn't inherently MRA. So you can fuck off with that noise.

    I'm pointing out that a bias that a support group for men going through an emotionally devastating event is shitty. I wish that it wasn't such a strong bias because perhaps my father wouldn't have felt like he had to deal with suicidal thoughts (and attempts) alone for the last ten years of his life.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

    YOURE NOT MY DAD

    oh boy i'm going to refer you to a specialist

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    there are plenty of men's support groups that have nothing to do with MRA culture

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

    am I pregnant now?

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    man y'all start a GDST

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    wazilla wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    because of the high correlation?

    You're right, men should just hold it in and never be in groups larger than 2.

    Honestly, that's not a bad plan.

    Precisely. It's better to be a suicide statistic than it is to risk the danger that a man might let their anger out productively in a group setting.

    Holy false dichotomy, Batman.

    Although, honestly, I can't imagine anything worse than a group of like 10 cisgender hetero white men

    Replace race and gender and we've got quite a fucking comment here, don't we?

    Wow.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 gay jew men.

    Can't imagine anything worse than a group of like, 10 lesbian black women.

    How the fuck

    Man being in control of everything in a country for hundreds of years will fuck a group of people up!

    Being an reasonable fuckhead to people you don't know is a shitty fucking attitude. So fuck you.

    I mean, of course there are arrangements of 10 of us that wouldn't be terrible but, like, on average? I dunno man!

    wazilla on
    Psn:wazukki
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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

    am I pregnant now?

    Yes.

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

    am I pregnant now?

    With suspense

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    i think straight white men should habitually get into a circle and touch penises

    I think it would be good therapy

    am I pregnant now?

    Yes

    it's a girl, of course

    Oh and we're Gerudos now

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    man y'all start a GDST

    uh I think you need to be a mod to start a thread already locked

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Yesterday a therapist suggested that I could try going to a men's divorce support group

    "I, uh... look I'm sorry but why would that even be gendered? That seems kinda dumb."

    "Ah! Well. Lots of people who are getting divorced, they often become unreasonably angry when they interact with someone the same gender as their ex-spouse. So gender segregation is usually the least risky way to organize a support group."

    So like that group's gotta be like an MRA soft pitch right?

    Why is there an immediate assumption that a men's support group is negative simply because it's a men's support group?

    The lack of good support groups for men and the previlence of bad support groups for men are directly related.

    It is simultaneously true that men in particular need more access to focused quality social and psychological care and that most groups that focus on men exclusively are garbage and reinforce self destructive behaviors.

    Also when non-sexist support groups start to form, they often end up devolving into sexist groups.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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