My dad claims to have six videos that prove there was a second shooter on the 4th floor and god I'm just so tired of it
I'm so tired of people who aggressively refuse to recognize obvious instances of police or government corruption but insist on grand conspiracies that make no sense whatsoever in terms of logistics or goals
I'm so, so tired of people weaving every tragedy into the terrible LARP campaign that they play every day of their lives so they don't have to face the realities of the world or consider how they might actually be able to improve it
What is a second shooter even supposed to prove? What agenda does that further? I am befuddled.
But then I usually am about the dialogue about things like this in this country.
Liberal cabal hired shooters to scare people into enacting gun control
Trump hired shooters to take the heat off of himself
Or my mom's theory, the NFL hired shooters to bury the national anthem kneeling stories that were hurting their bottom line
The why doesn't really matter. What's important is that you see through the lies because if you thought this was for real you might feel obligated to help do something about it, but because it was a false flag you can feel free to turn back to your alt right blogs and go right on grumbling about abortion and the gays
Because the fact that our corrupt liberal government is responsible means that the only way to win is to undo it and become True Conservatives again
Or, it's impossible to fix it and the apocalypse is happening soon so just make sure you've said all the right prayers so that you get raptured
What is a second shooter even supposed to prove? What agenda does that further? I am befuddled.
But then I usually am about the dialogue about things like this in this country.
Liberal cabal hired shooters to scare people into enacting gun control
Trump hired shooters to take the heat off of himself
Or my mom's theory, the NFL hired shooters to bury the national anthem kneeling stories that were hurting their bottom line
The why doesn't really matter. What's important is that you see through the lies because if you thought this was for real you might feel obligated to help do something about it, but because it was a false flag you can feel free to turn back to your alt right blogs and go right on grumbling about abortion and the gays
Because the fact that our corrupt liberal government is responsible means that the only way to win is to undo it and become True Conservatives again
Or, it's impossible to fix it and the apocalypse is happening soon so just make sure you've said all the right prayers so that you get raptured
While I by and large agree that this is better, this has the potential side effect of making the present day seem like an island, like some unconnected land mass, instead of contiguous with what got us here. A bloody (and, in the big scheme of things? Pretty recent) past makes for a bloody present, in a lot of ways
But that's more of a, like, philosophical difference with the language, rather than a straight-up "This is an inaccurate statement" situation
Could you say it's the worst shooting by a single gunman? Due to the fact that so many people were injured? (I will be honest and I do not know if the Native American massacres were done by a single person or in groups)
Absolutely, yeah. The scope of what an individual is mechanically capable of has changed dramatically.
For what it's worth Pooro, I'd appreciate the notes about how this is whitewashing past violence, as someone who doesn't know much about American indigenous history
I mean hell, while I know a fair amount on the Canadian side of things, I only learned about Wounded Knee because of Bioshock: Infinite and started looking into that part of American history from there; there is absolutely a knowledge gap on the international level at least
Basically every tribe has at least one giant, horrible massacre or abuse in its past. Many tribes have several. I'll talk about a couple of better-known ones. I'd do more, but honestly, it's psychologically draining to think about/talk about this stuff too much.
In each of these, unarmed civilian casualties - including women and children - number in the hundreds.
I've used Wikipedia as source to point one other thing out - note how many times that the articles call these "battles." Majority-civilian casualties, and they're called "battles" because some of the victims were armed and the perpetrators were soldiers. That it was state-sanctioned violence, borne of state-sanctioned oppression, does not mean it wasn't a mass shooting.
These were massacres where innocent, unarmed civilians were gunned down, en masse, indiscriminately.
These weren't battlefields, these were homes.
These weren't armies, they were communities.
Yes, some members of those communities were armed - just as some members of American communities where violent acts take place are armed. The vast majority were not. But an armed victim of outsized violence is still a victim of outsized violence.
In the University of Texas tower shooting, the populace was very famously armed and fired back. Yet we don't call it The Battle of the University of Texas.
Shuffling these massacres, these mass shootings by superiorly-armed parties, into this other category ("battles") removes them from the discussion of violence in America. Acting like acts of mass violence are acts of "lone wolves" serves only to pretend that America isn't an inherently violent construction. America's issues with violence in general, and gun violence in particular, run deep. To pretend otherwise, to pretend that the modern era is uniquely violent, is a great way to expend a lot of energy treating symptoms at the cost of ignoring diseases.
I think massacres committed by the state are implicitly categorized separately from what we mean when we say "mass shooting"
And what that post and many others like it presuppose is, "what if we didn't do that?" Because by categorizing them differently we make it easier for people to dismiss them or rationalize them or do other stuff that lets them avoid confronting it.
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@Poorochondriac I always appreciate your insight on matters of Native Americans and you have taught me a lot. I'm a lot more informed than I used to be directly because of you.
A few more mass shootings in red territory will shift this.
Hey. This is kind of fucked up.
I live in Ohio. A state that regularly goes red though my county is usually blue.
There are plenty of people that lean more to the left out here and the stereotype of everyone living in flyover states that go red in elections being backwards hicks who live guns more than Healthcare or whatever is bullshit.
Even then, as far left as I personally am, I don't wish violence on the people near to me geographically who vote against their own and to a further extent The Other's self interest. It isn't their fault they are casting their balot stupidly, the system is designed to keep them doing that.
There are important shifts in culture that need to happen out here. I am of the opinion that a groundwork needs to be laid here in the red territory to pitch leftist policy to the some of the traditionally more entrenched republican voter bases. Instead of just dreaming of a future where accessible college education solves the problems in some undefined amount of time as liberal politicians seem to think.
It 100% is fucked up. I'm not trying to advocate it whatsoever. But the attitude shift that was reported over and over by the guy in the band is very telling.
A few more mass shootings in red territory will shift this.
If more than a single school shooting hasn't, nothing will.
They're willing to let kids die to save their guns.
The kids who died were in CT, which is liberal, which means it was a lie. I work with people who tell me that the entire Sandy Hook incident was fabricated by the government with actors.
It is a lot harder to deny reality when it happens in your backyard.
It's a big country with a lot of backyard though. Even it happened in identical demographic town a county over it's easy to say "well that would never happen in OUR county." Let alone a different state, no matter how closely you may vote in national elections every 2-4 years.
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My dad claims to have six videos that prove there was a second shooter on the 4th floor and god I'm just so tired of it
ask him how the second shooter fired without breaking the windows which everyone knows don't open on Las Vegas hotels
I adore how everyone on the internet suddenly became acoustical engineers with live fire experience overnight and can clearly tell from sounds present on cell phone film that there were multiple shooters.
It's all fake. Nobody really died. They were all paid actors with blood packs staged in the crowd of the concert.
the only people who have enough disposable income to fake this are the Koch fuckers and this isn't really what they want to see happen
Clearly you've never heard George Soros, shadow government overlord and leader of the illuminati, who just so happens to be Jewish, that part is completely coincidence though, seriously.
Christ some people really are the lowest form of shit aren't they
Sending death threats to the parents of a child killed in a shooting spree
just fuck
fucking
Argh these fucking people
It's one of those things where if you try to explain it to someone face to face in real life you sound like a fucking lunatic even to yourself because it's so outlandishly insane and horrible
Like try to explain, with words that come out of your mouth, PizzaGate to someone who has no idea what that is
I find it sad the two cops that were harassing me only stopped because I got them banned from Walmart for harassing me while on the clock
They can never come into a Walmart ever again
why in the world were you being harassed by cops in wal-mart???
Because I was getting harassed while walking home from work by them as they thought I was either homeless or up to no good
With quotes of "it would be a shame to take you in for something so petty" And go to the station and see if you have warrant.
They kept it up for months until the time one of was there busting a shoplifter and I was pushing carts out he said something to me in front of one of the Co Managers whom took him off to the side then asked me what was going on
They had him banned since it's a No no to do that
Trash cans aren't owned by the people living at the property I thought. Technically that's vandalism of the company's waste bin.
That depends on a combination of when and where. When my family lived in city limits we had to buy our own cans and it was only relatively recently that the city standardized cans and it wasn't all neighborhoods in the city at once. When we moved to a house which was technically in the county the county had provided those standardized cans before the city had. I imagine if you randomly selected people from cities and counties from all across the US you'd get more than a few who live in counties or cities that don't provide standard cans and the resident has to purchase any.
have we gotten into how gun laws disproportionately target people of color, and when gun ownership protects vulnerable groups when the state utterly fails to stop (and outright encourages) violence against them? like how black panthers open carrying stopped a bunch of police violence from occurring decades ago
because this issue is even more substantial than simply banning firearms, and I'm hoping beyond hope folk keep their perspective as broad as possible when solving this huge fucking problem
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I'm so tired of people who aggressively refuse to recognize obvious instances of police or government corruption but insist on grand conspiracies that make no sense whatsoever in terms of logistics or goals
I'm so, so tired of people weaving every tragedy into the terrible LARP campaign that they play every day of their lives so they don't have to face the realities of the world or consider how they might actually be able to improve it
http://www.audioentropy.com/
ask him how the second shooter fired without breaking the windows which everyone knows don't open on Las Vegas hotels
But then I usually am about the dialogue about things like this in this country.
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Lol there were two windows broken, globalist shill.
Liberal cabal hired shooters to scare people into enacting gun control
Trump hired shooters to take the heat off of himself
Or my mom's theory, the NFL hired shooters to bury the national anthem kneeling stories that were hurting their bottom line
The why doesn't really matter. What's important is that you see through the lies because if you thought this was for real you might feel obligated to help do something about it, but because it was a false flag you can feel free to turn back to your alt right blogs and go right on grumbling about abortion and the gays
Because the fact that our corrupt liberal government is responsible means that the only way to win is to undo it and become True Conservatives again
Or, it's impossible to fix it and the apocalypse is happening soon so just make sure you've said all the right prayers so that you get raptured
http://www.audioentropy.com/
"I am smarter then *insert group here*"
woah shit im redpilled now, thanks for uncucking me
That the FBI is lying and the official narrative is false, which has implications
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This is the first time I've seen that word used without going into blinding rage so kudos.
Absolutely, yeah. The scope of what an individual is mechanically capable of has changed dramatically.
Basically every tribe has at least one giant, horrible massacre or abuse in its past. Many tribes have several. I'll talk about a couple of better-known ones. I'd do more, but honestly, it's psychologically draining to think about/talk about this stuff too much.
The Arapahoe and Cheyenne have the Sand Creek Massacre.
The Lakota have the Wounded Knee massacre.
In each of these, unarmed civilian casualties - including women and children - number in the hundreds.
I've used Wikipedia as source to point one other thing out - note how many times that the articles call these "battles." Majority-civilian casualties, and they're called "battles" because some of the victims were armed and the perpetrators were soldiers. That it was state-sanctioned violence, borne of state-sanctioned oppression, does not mean it wasn't a mass shooting.
These were massacres where innocent, unarmed civilians were gunned down, en masse, indiscriminately.
These weren't battlefields, these were homes.
These weren't armies, they were communities.
Yes, some members of those communities were armed - just as some members of American communities where violent acts take place are armed. The vast majority were not. But an armed victim of outsized violence is still a victim of outsized violence.
In the University of Texas tower shooting, the populace was very famously armed and fired back. Yet we don't call it The Battle of the University of Texas.
Shuffling these massacres, these mass shootings by superiorly-armed parties, into this other category ("battles") removes them from the discussion of violence in America. Acting like acts of mass violence are acts of "lone wolves" serves only to pretend that America isn't an inherently violent construction. America's issues with violence in general, and gun violence in particular, run deep. To pretend otherwise, to pretend that the modern era is uniquely violent, is a great way to expend a lot of energy treating symptoms at the cost of ignoring diseases.
e: for example, I don't think we typically count Kent State because that was the Ohio National Guard
And what that post and many others like it presuppose is, "what if we didn't do that?" Because by categorizing them differently we make it easier for people to dismiss them or rationalize them or do other stuff that lets them avoid confronting it.
It's a big country with a lot of backyard though. Even it happened in identical demographic town a county over it's easy to say "well that would never happen in OUR county." Let alone a different state, no matter how closely you may vote in national elections every 2-4 years.
I adore how everyone on the internet suddenly became acoustical engineers with live fire experience overnight and can clearly tell from sounds present on cell phone film that there were multiple shooters.
No "checkmate left media!" on that little incident. :P
Yeah but we totally should.
What I find completely ironic is that these same people are completely on board with limiting how much toothpaste I can take on an airplane.
Oh I have already seen several facebook shitlords putting out there that this was all faked and there was never any shootings.
the only people who have enough disposable income to fake this are the Koch fuckers and this isn't really what they want to see happen
I always tell people, if you want to not lose all faith in humanity do NOT read about what the Sandy Hook parents have gone through.
Sometimes I wish I hadn't because it's so awful that it literally took 5 years off of my life.
The written language was a mistake
Sending death threats to the parents of a child killed in a shooting spree
just fuck
fucking
Argh these fucking people
Clearly you've never heard George Soros, shadow government overlord and leader of the illuminati, who just so happens to be Jewish, that part is completely coincidence though, seriously.
This really is a trashcan down the street from me
It's one of those things where if you try to explain it to someone face to face in real life you sound like a fucking lunatic even to yourself because it's so outlandishly insane and horrible
Like try to explain, with words that come out of your mouth, PizzaGate to someone who has no idea what that is
Because I was getting harassed while walking home from work by them as they thought I was either homeless or up to no good
With quotes of "it would be a shame to take you in for something so petty" And go to the station and see if you have warrant.
They kept it up for months until the time one of was there busting a shoplifter and I was pushing carts out he said something to me in front of one of the Co Managers whom took him off to the side then asked me what was going on
They had him banned since it's a No no to do that
Though I wonder if you could have gotten their badge numbers or names or something and reported them to their superior? That shit is fucked up.
I'm starting to get the feeling that it might be a good idea for you to wear your purple heart, like, all the time...
It is no longer a trashcan...Jones actually lives in there. You need to move.
That depends on a combination of when and where. When my family lived in city limits we had to buy our own cans and it was only relatively recently that the city standardized cans and it wasn't all neighborhoods in the city at once. When we moved to a house which was technically in the county the county had provided those standardized cans before the city had. I imagine if you randomly selected people from cities and counties from all across the US you'd get more than a few who live in counties or cities that don't provide standard cans and the resident has to purchase any.
because this issue is even more substantial than simply banning firearms, and I'm hoping beyond hope folk keep their perspective as broad as possible when solving this huge fucking problem
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Well yeah it's white folk doing the vast majority of mass shootings.
Unless he's in the court of law, in which he's merely playing a character