Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
Yes, I was kinda making clear that was your position.
Is there small print during a pre-order that protects the developers when they make late changes? I assume so but I have never actually preordered anything. My wife preordered the Sun and Moon pokemon games but of course no need to investigate on those purchases (they were great).
I think we should remove the general public's ability to put reviews on the internet, not make them more important.
Oh man yeah.
If I am looking at a game I may look at Metacritic and Steam. But just the base score and even then I still go watch gameplay vids to be sure because I have played some great games that got blasted by the mob.
No Man's Sky, Mass Effect Andromeda, and hell I even enjoyed that SimCity that got slammed.
Well I'm pretty sure you're objectively wrong about SimCity.
That SimCity was pretty fun for a little while. But the flaws came out pretty fast.
Cities Skylines just bulldozed over Sim City 5.
It wasn't even fair.
Cities Skylines does seem to be pretty awesome from the little bits I've played.
People were more apt to look over the flaws the game had at release because it was offline and had slightly larger build spaces. It has improved a lot given the time to do so though. No more corpse towns. No more filling up tiny spots you were given. No more buggy traffic. Its the best out right now.
I cannot overstate how much damage having a pregnant partner would likely do to me, on top of the not having sex for a while, which combine in gross ways because having sex is literally the only thing that keeps me feeling ok with my body.
It sucks.
You don't have to stop having sex when your partner is pregante
You do afterwards for a bit, plus there is definitely a chance of hormones going wonky in that direction and Querry's sex drive is already like 2/10. It is a significant risk, and would absolutely do extremely damaging things to me with consequences I don't think I can really predict.
y'all are going to have less sex with an infant in the house just in general. There will be a 3rd person in the family competing for your time and attention!
I cannot overstate how much damage having a pregnant partner would likely do to me, on top of the not having sex for a while, which combine in gross ways because having sex is literally the only thing that keeps me feeling ok with my body.
It sucks.
You don't have to stop having sex when your partner is pregante
sure but there's a lot of variance here and it's more likely to negatively impact sex life than not. porp pretty much never felt well enough for sex during most of the pregnancy.
also post birth if there's stitches you have to wait and even if there's not you have the whole sleep deprivation and learning the ropes of a new bab that kinda gets in the way for a while.
Post birth there is a lot of bleeding too
I have been told
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I cannot overstate how much damage having a pregnant partner would likely do to me, on top of the not having sex for a while, which combine in gross ways because having sex is literally the only thing that keeps me feeling ok with my body.
It sucks.
You don't have to stop having sex when your partner is pregante
sure but there's a lot of variance here and it's more likely to negatively impact sex life than not. porp pretty much never felt well enough for sex during most of the pregnancy.
also post birth if there's stitches you have to wait and even if there's not you have the whole sleep deprivation and learning the ropes of a new bab that kinda gets in the way for a while.
Post birth there is a lot of bleeding too
I have been told
you are certainly in for an experience that you'll never forget
I cannot overstate how much damage having a pregnant partner would likely do to me, on top of the not having sex for a while, which combine in gross ways because having sex is literally the only thing that keeps me feeling ok with my body.
It sucks.
You don't have to stop having sex when your partner is pregante
You do afterwards for a bit, plus there is definitely a chance of hormones going wonky in that direction and Querry's sex drive is already like 2/10. It is a significant risk, and would absolutely do extremely damaging things to me with consequences I don't think I can really predict.
y'all are going to have less sex with an infant in the house just in general. There will be a 3rd person in the family competing for your time and attention!
Yes, I am saying that that's going to be a serious problem because there is a level of sex beneath which I start to have serious breakdowns related to being trans.
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I think we should remove the general public's ability to put reviews on the internet, not make them more important.
Oh man yeah.
If I am looking at a game I may look at Metacritic and Steam. But just the base score and even then I still go watch gameplay vids to be sure because I have played some great games that got blasted by the mob.
No Man's Sky, Mass Effect Andromeda, and hell I even enjoyed that SimCity that got slammed.
Well I'm pretty sure you're objectively wrong about SimCity.
That SimCity was pretty fun for a little while. But the flaws came out pretty fast.
Cities Skylines just bulldozed over Sim City 5.
It wasn't even fair.
Cities Skylines does seem to be pretty awesome from the little bits I've played.
People were more apt to look over the flaws the game had at release because it was offline and had slightly larger build spaces. It has improved a lot given the time to do so though. No more corpse towns. No more filling up tiny spots you were given. No more buggy traffic. Its the best out right now.
It's just a matter of being honest.
"We can't give you single player because it all happens on the cloud!!!!!!111!!!one"
Not honest. Just disable those cloud features, besides, the simulations should happen on our computers because there's no way that's even fucking cost effective in the long run.
Cities Skyline was super honest for what it was. It had it's flaws, but you could tell they weren't making shit up just to sell you a polished turd.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
I feel like I was lied to because he lied. This isn't disappointment, this is "you said the game had X, the game doesn't have X"
It isn't little stuff that was said forever ago in development either. I believe they're still using that trailer on the store page that isn't at ALL accurate or representative of gameplay.
I get that many people overreacted and called him a great satan and all that, but he did lie and it was shitty.
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I just want to dress a kid up like superheros and teach them bad habits tbh
My nephew was slouching at dinner the other night, to the extent that he could lay back and put his feet up on the table. As I was telling him to get his feet off the table and to sit up straight, I looked at my mom and said "Oh my god ... he's never, ever going to appreciate the irony of Uncle Brad teaching him table manners."
However he IS going as batman for Halloween, so 1 out of 2 ain't bad!
... I had no influence on the batman decision. I really don't know where that came from, if I'm honest.
Someone else in his life is a closet nerd and I'm gonna smoke 'em out!
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Just start saying wrong things about the MCU 'til they can't handle it anymore and are forced to correct me at the dinner table in front of god and everybody.
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Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
Yes, I was kinda making clear that was your position.
Is there small print during a pre-order that protects the developers when they make late changes? I assume so but I have never actually preordered anything. My wife preordered the Sun and Moon pokemon games but of course no need to investigate on those purchases (they were great).
Well, there were also no late changes like that.
They wanted to have "real" multiplayer in the game in addition to what ended up in it (leaving messages, finding stuff discovered by others), but always hedged any commentary around it because it's monstrously difficult and they were a four person team.
People assumed that things like warring factions and a changing economy would mean something like EVE, or that being able to mine and build things would be something like Minecraft.
Something being "not good" is very different from it being "not included."
Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
I feel like I was lied to because he lied. This isn't disappointment, this is "you said the game had X, the game doesn't have X"
It isn't little stuff that was said forever ago in development either. I believe they're still using that trailer on the store page that isn't at ALL accurate or representative of gameplay.
I get that many people overreacted and called him a great satan and all that, but he did lie and it was shitty.
I mean, an agency whose purpose is to review advertising assessed that trailer and disagrees, so.
If Sim City had said "hey we fucked up, here's why we fucked up and how we're going to fix it" they would have saved a lot of face
Instead we got "Everything is broken but we super seriously underestimated just how much servers we'd need to host all these live simulations you totally can't have without connection to our servers!"
In the end the "always on" was a ploy to push microtransactions.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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I think we should remove the general public's ability to put reviews on the internet, not make them more important.
Oh man yeah.
If I am looking at a game I may look at Metacritic and Steam. But just the base score and even then I still go watch gameplay vids to be sure because I have played some great games that got blasted by the mob.
No Man's Sky, Mass Effect Andromeda, and hell I even enjoyed that SimCity that got slammed.
Well I'm pretty sure you're objectively wrong about SimCity.
That SimCity was pretty fun for a little while. But the flaws came out pretty fast.
Cities Skylines just bulldozed over Sim City 5.
It wasn't even fair.
Cities Skylines does seem to be pretty awesome from the little bits I've played.
People were more apt to look over the flaws the game had at release because it was offline and had slightly larger build spaces. It has improved a lot given the time to do so though. No more corpse towns. No more filling up tiny spots you were given. No more buggy traffic. Its the best out right now.
Even in its 1.0 launch version, it was a universe better than Sim City 2013.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
I think we should remove the general public's ability to put reviews on the internet, not make them more important.
Oh man yeah.
If I am looking at a game I may look at Metacritic and Steam. But just the base score and even then I still go watch gameplay vids to be sure because I have played some great games that got blasted by the mob.
No Man's Sky, Mass Effect Andromeda, and hell I even enjoyed that SimCity that got slammed.
Well I'm pretty sure you're objectively wrong about SimCity.
That SimCity was pretty fun for a little while. But the flaws came out pretty fast.
Cities Skylines just bulldozed over Sim City 5.
It wasn't even fair.
Cities Skylines does seem to be pretty awesome from the little bits I've played.
People were more apt to look over the flaws the game had at release because it was offline and had slightly larger build spaces. It has improved a lot given the time to do so though. No more corpse towns. No more filling up tiny spots you were given. No more buggy traffic. Its the best out right now.
"Slightly" larger? Nah man, the build space in Cities was like 5-10 times the size of SC5.
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Don't they expire every 6 months? You will be advised to stay away from stuff like peanut butter until whatever age. Think it's 2. But I think you'll be ok without one. Can ask your ped about it though.
Please consider the environment before printing this post.
Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
Yes, I was kinda making clear that was your position.
Is there small print during a pre-order that protects the developers when they make late changes? I assume so but I have never actually preordered anything. My wife preordered the Sun and Moon pokemon games but of course no need to investigate on those purchases (they were great).
Well, there were also no late changes like that.
They wanted to have "real" multiplayer in the game in addition to what ended up in it (leaving messages, finding stuff discovered by others), but always hedged any commentary around it because it's monstrously difficult and they were a four person team.
People assumed that things like warring factions and a changing economy would mean something like EVE, or that being able to mine and build things would be something like Minecraft.
Something being "not good" is very different from it being "not included."
They did not hedge commentary around it: he said yes, you can meet other players. Which was straight-up a lie.
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Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
Yes, I was kinda making clear that was your position.
Is there small print during a pre-order that protects the developers when they make late changes? I assume so but I have never actually preordered anything. My wife preordered the Sun and Moon pokemon games but of course no need to investigate on those purchases (they were great).
Well, there were also no late changes like that.
They wanted to have "real" multiplayer in the game in addition to what ended up in it (leaving messages, finding stuff discovered by others), but always hedged any commentary around it because it's monstrously difficult and they were a four person team.
People assumed that things like warring factions and a changing economy would mean something like EVE, or that being able to mine and build things would be something like Minecraft.
Something being "not good" is very different from it being "not included."
Surfpossum - Maybe people preordered based on the design claims of NMS during the late stages of development. They had already taken a leap of faith that the game would be good and paid money prior to reviews, but to also be missing key features probably felt like they were lied to.
I'm not sure claims made during development and failing to deliver constitute false advertisement, but if you have already shelled out cash and the product changed underneath you....
That's my point, people feel like they were lied to because they were disappointed. Feeling like you've been lied to does not mean you have been lied to.
People let their disappointment turn Sean Murray into Satan, father of lies.
I feel like I was lied to because he lied. This isn't disappointment, this is "you said the game had X, the game doesn't have X"
It isn't little stuff that was said forever ago in development either. I believe they're still using that trailer on the store page that isn't at ALL accurate or representative of gameplay.
I get that many people overreacted and called him a great satan and all that, but he did lie and it was shitty.
I mean, an agency whose purpose is to review advertising assessed that trailer and disagrees, so.
And like I said, I disagree with that agency's methods and ultimate decision and think it is damaging for the industry as a whole.
Luckily steam refunds mean I was able to get my money back but it is a proven fact that he lied. There are videos of this. He was on Colbert talking about multiplayer. The idea that he didn't lie is factually false. They just don't think it was bad enough to count as false advertising and I highly disagree.
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Yes, I was kinda making clear that was your position.
Is there small print during a pre-order that protects the developers when they make late changes? I assume so but I have never actually preordered anything. My wife preordered the Sun and Moon pokemon games but of course no need to investigate on those purchases (they were great).
I haven't played it recently but I'm hoping that Green Cities rekindles my interest in it.
When does that come out, anyway?
*checks steam*
Oh, it's out today! Alright!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
People were more apt to look over the flaws the game had at release because it was offline and had slightly larger build spaces. It has improved a lot given the time to do so though. No more corpse towns. No more filling up tiny spots you were given. No more buggy traffic. Its the best out right now.
y'all are going to have less sex with an infant in the house just in general. There will be a 3rd person in the family competing for your time and attention!
Post birth there is a lot of bleeding too
I have been told
you are certainly in for an experience that you'll never forget
disney world has nothing on this
ok but if you do that for more than a week im coming over and dragging you out to the bars
thanks buddy shark
and then today at daycare got stung in the face by a bee
poor kid can't catch a break
Yes, I am saying that that's going to be a serious problem because there is a level of sex beneath which I start to have serious breakdowns related to being trans.
pregananant?
It's just a matter of being honest.
"We can't give you single player because it all happens on the cloud!!!!!!111!!!one"
Not honest. Just disable those cloud features, besides, the simulations should happen on our computers because there's no way that's even fucking cost effective in the long run.
Cities Skyline was super honest for what it was. It had it's flaws, but you could tell they weren't making shit up just to sell you a polished turd.
I feel like I was lied to because he lied. This isn't disappointment, this is "you said the game had X, the game doesn't have X"
It isn't little stuff that was said forever ago in development either. I believe they're still using that trailer on the store page that isn't at ALL accurate or representative of gameplay.
I get that many people overreacted and called him a great satan and all that, but he did lie and it was shitty.
However he IS going as batman for Halloween, so 1 out of 2 ain't bad!
... I had no influence on the batman decision. I really don't know where that came from, if I'm honest.
Someone else in his life is a closet nerd and I'm gonna smoke 'em out!
it's a great personal sacrifice but im willing to do it for a good friend
I'm post-gananant.
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They wanted to have "real" multiplayer in the game in addition to what ended up in it (leaving messages, finding stuff discovered by others), but always hedged any commentary around it because it's monstrously difficult and they were a four person team.
People assumed that things like warring factions and a changing economy would mean something like EVE, or that being able to mine and build things would be something like Minecraft.
Something being "not good" is very different from it being "not included."
I mean, an agency whose purpose is to review advertising assessed that trailer and disagrees, so.
Instead we got "Everything is broken but we super seriously underestimated just how much servers we'd need to host all these live simulations you totally can't have without connection to our servers!"
In the end the "always on" was a ploy to push microtransactions.
Even in its 1.0 launch version, it was a universe better than Sim City 2013.
if it's only his first sting he still might be
He shall arise from this like a blade arises from the hammering of the blacksmith -- honed and stronger
ONWARD
TO THE SWINGSET AND VALHALLA
Michelangelo understood this and make dat ass incomprehensible, I see no contradiction
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
"Slightly" larger? Nah man, the build space in Cities was like 5-10 times the size of SC5.
so you're saying there's a chance
Pregnanté
Hm we should have an epipen here I guess
Wonder how expensive
just crush up some benadryl in water i'm sure it's basically the same thing
Yeah, cuz you didn't know what to do when they got stung by bees.
Don't they expire every 6 months? You will be advised to stay away from stuff like peanut butter until whatever age. Think it's 2. But I think you'll be ok without one. Can ask your ped about it though.
They did not hedge commentary around it: he said yes, you can meet other players. Which was straight-up a lie.
rip
And like I said, I disagree with that agency's methods and ultimate decision and think it is damaging for the industry as a whole.
Luckily steam refunds mean I was able to get my money back but it is a proven fact that he lied. There are videos of this. He was on Colbert talking about multiplayer. The idea that he didn't lie is factually false. They just don't think it was bad enough to count as false advertising and I highly disagree.
you pat them on the back until the bee venom comes out right?