Let's talk about deepfakes and how troubling the rapid improvement in video editing has become
Right now with photos we have basically 3 classifications:
Obvious fake (100% confidence)
Very likely real (95% confidence)
Too fucked to tell
It’s really easy to hide image manupulation artifacts with resampling and compression, and so images that are heavily resampled or compressed are just discarded as who knows. But when an image is original and genuine, you have artifacts of the image generation process that are nearly impossible to fake even if you’re trying. It can be done but the level of expertise we’re looking at is far beyond most people and circumstantial evidence, plus a little analysis, can certify an image as unaltered.
That’s where we’ll get with deep fakes I imagine. You’ll either have a video that you can perform lens distortion and sensor noise analysis and identify it as very likely genuine, or you’ll have video that is too small or compressed for those techniques and it’ll get classified as impossible to tell, like photos are now.
I think the fingerprints of video manipulation are quite a bit trickier to hide than single frame images too, since you have time-based stuff to cover up too.
Scary but not “the courts will become a circus where there is no such thing as truth”.
also it's not like people don't just believe whatever they choose to believe now anyway
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
yuri on ice was fucking fantastic
one of my favorite things i've watched in the last few years, not just including other anime
Deep fake stuff terrifies me. We already have a significant population of people divorced from reality being fed on fake info that is only for propaganda purposes.
this is actually why it doesn't scare me
or i guess rather, i don't think it will change things much
Let's talk about deepfakes and how troubling the rapid improvement in video editing has become
Right now with photos we have basically 3 classifications:
Obvious fake (100% confidence)
Very likely real (95% confidence)
Too fucked to tell
It’s really easy to hide image manupulation artifacts with resampling and compression, and so images that are heavily resampled or compressed are just discarded as who knows. But when an image is original and genuine, you have artifacts of the image generation process that are nearly impossible to fake even if you’re trying. It can be done but the level of expertise we’re looking at is far beyond most people and circumstantial evidence, plus a little analysis, can certify an image as unaltered.
That’s where we’ll get with deep fakes I imagine. You’ll either have a video that you can perform lens distortion and sensor noise analysis and identify it as very likely genuine, or you’ll have video that is too small or compressed for those techniques and it’ll get classified as impossible to tell, like photos are now.
I think the fingerprints of video manipulation are quite a bit trickier to hide than single frame images too, since you have time-based stuff to cover up too.
Scary but not “the courts will become a circus where there is no such thing as truth”.
also it's not like people don't just believe whatever they choose to believe now anyway
dingdingdingding
people already believe stuff that is trivially falsifiable, as long as it confirms their biases
deepfakes isn't going to mean shit
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Deep fake stuff terrifies me. We already have a significant population of people divorced from reality being fed on fake info that is only for propaganda purposes.
Yeah the problem is not "can this be detected by an expert?" It's when Aunt Petunia saw that video on Facebook and she was pretty sure it was real and the fake media is lying. It doesn't matter at that point. It's impossible to verify faster than fakes can be generated.
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Attack on Titan and Fullmetal Alchemist both explicitly take place in and aesthetic stand-in for western europe. Lots of blonde hair and blue eyes, western castles and cobblestone streets. All the names are like that Japanese baseball game that made up an entire roster of western sounding name.
And yet both movies have an all-japanese cast in horrible wigs and tend to omit characters that couldn’t be done well by japanese actors. Why didn’t they just hire some token foreigners to act in the movies? Save a bit on terrible wigs and eye enlargement makeup.
Nope.
Japan's movie industry is very much Japan first.
Also I mean, what did you expect from these movies?
We complain about whitewashing so often and we have a well produced movie that isnt so but we still like to beat it down for minor faults.
For how bad the US is with this Japan is much much worse.
I will very much point out the very overt race issues Japan has in its treatment of pretty much everyone not Japanese. My usual description for Japan on a lot of cultural sensitivity things is, Japan is the US in the mid to late 70's and kind of just stuck there.
But at the same time it is an island that is 98% Japanese and is one of the entertainment industries where local fare is the biggest market instead of imported US/Hollywood movies.
Yeah but it's really not just the xenophobia.
Their sexism is... well, it makes us look like gender utopias.
I can only imagine how horrible their trans communities have it.
Ehh, again different culture with a different historical base. I would not say amazing but at the same time not really the same type of bullshit you get in the states. Japan's issues are not based in the protestant puritanism that the US/Canada and a lot of Europe have baked in.
Yeah but, I see it in a lot of the media.
Transphobia and homophobia is really baked in to their entertainment.
I've seen very few positive female characters in the admittedly small slice of anime I've watched or been aware of.
Funny, homophobia is the last thing I would have put forward as something big in anime.
I was seeing gay relationships presented in that medium a LOT more than anything in the US as early as the late 80s.
The most recent example I can think of is OPM and PuriPuri Prisoner.
Jesus christ that was horrific to watch.
That was quite literally a huge farce. The whole show was a farce. Don't get me wrong. It's till a joke at an expense of a group. But they get shit like Yuri on Ice. A kind of story our media is only scratching the surface of now.
And we get shit like Moonlight, which was amazing.
Sure, and things like Sense 8. Things like that are getting made now.
Japan was writing that kind of thing in manga in the early 90s.
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Deep fake stuff terrifies me. We already have a significant population of people divorced from reality being fed on fake info that is only for propaganda purposes.
Yeah the problem is not "can this be detected by an expert?" It's when Aunt Petunia saw that video on Facebook and she was pretty sure it was real and the fake media is lying. It doesn't matter at that point. It's impossible to verify faster than fakes can be generated.
but aunt petunia doesn't need to see a video to get fooled
she's already getting fooled just from the damn headlines on facebook
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
its the ultimate taboo, which is why the step sibling thing makes no sense, because it undercuts the premise. the directors are cowards who lack vision
Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
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ShivahnUnaware of her barrel shifter privilegeWestern coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderatormod
Brooklynn nine-nine might be the only comedy I can recall watching without any transphobic humor.
I actually think it is.
(It offhandedly mentions that other stuff is transphobic, too, which is neat)
Deep fake stuff terrifies me. We already have a significant population of people divorced from reality being fed on fake info that is only for propaganda purposes.
Yeah the problem is not "can this be detected by an expert?" It's when Aunt Petunia saw that video on Facebook and she was pretty sure it was real and the fake media is lying. It doesn't matter at that point. It's impossible to verify faster than fakes can be generated.
but aunt petunia doesn't need to see a video to get fooled
she's already getting fooled just from the damn headlines on facebook
Maybe. I still have this foolish hope that one day we'll agree on a set of facts again.
Sometimes they seem to just include "step" only because it'll get them hits. Like "banging my best friend's step dad." It's like the concept of step families itself is the kink.
Attack on Titan and Fullmetal Alchemist both explicitly take place in and aesthetic stand-in for western europe. Lots of blonde hair and blue eyes, western castles and cobblestone streets. All the names are like that Japanese baseball game that made up an entire roster of western sounding name.
And yet both movies have an all-japanese cast in horrible wigs and tend to omit characters that couldn’t be done well by japanese actors. Why didn’t they just hire some token foreigners to act in the movies? Save a bit on terrible wigs and eye enlargement makeup.
Nope.
Japan's movie industry is very much Japan first.
Also I mean, what did you expect from these movies?
We complain about whitewashing so often and we have a well produced movie that isnt so but we still like to beat it down for minor faults.
For how bad the US is with this Japan is much much worse.
I will very much point out the very overt race issues Japan has in its treatment of pretty much everyone not Japanese. My usual description for Japan on a lot of cultural sensitivity things is, Japan is the US in the mid to late 70's and kind of just stuck there.
But at the same time it is an island that is 98% Japanese and is one of the entertainment industries where local fare is the biggest market instead of imported US/Hollywood movies.
Yeah but it's really not just the xenophobia.
Their sexism is... well, it makes us look like gender utopias.
I can only imagine how horrible their trans communities have it.
Ehh, again different culture with a different historical base. I would not say amazing but at the same time not really the same type of bullshit you get in the states. Japan's issues are not based in the protestant puritanism that the US/Canada and a lot of Europe have baked in.
Yeah but, I see it in a lot of the media.
Transphobia and homophobia is really baked in to their entertainment.
I've seen very few positive female characters in the admittedly small slice of anime I've watched or been aware of.
Funny, homophobia is the last thing I would have put forward as something big in anime.
I was seeing gay relationships presented in that medium a LOT more than anything in the US as early as the late 80s.
The most recent example I can think of is OPM and PuriPuri Prisoner.
Jesus christ that was horrific to watch.
That was quite literally a huge farce. The whole show was a farce. Don't get me wrong. It's till a joke at an expense of a group. But they get shit like Yuri on Ice. A kind of story our media is only scratching the surface of now.
And we get shit like Moonlight, which was amazing.
Moonlight is the exception. And exploring the fact that a large minority group in America has a lot of cultural stigma around stuff like homosexual relationships and such. I know @Kana has a running list of Asian LGBTQ writing/movies/shows and stuff or I think Kana does. I know Simon has a bit of one.
And as always I will always direct people to read Confessions of a Mask. Which I love, but I love Mishima's writing in general even if it veers into the hyper pro-Emperor world from time to time.
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Donkey KongPutting Nintendo out of business with AI nipsRegistered Userregular
Anime treatment of lesbians is often really, really, really, really creepy.
"Hey, this is an anime about two women in love... and they are sisters."
tbf
america
The prevalence of "step fantasy" genres on the various porn streaming tubes is really weirding me out. Is this recent or has it always been a thing?
Incest in general has always been huge, all the way back into antiquity. I don’t especially understand it but it’s clearly very popular.
It's popular because it shouldn't be popular. And the more outrage and fussing over it, the more popular it will become.
I don’t think incest porn is popular because it’s taboo. It helps. It’s a little spicy kick to that flavor people already love, but it’s not the main reason.
There’s something real backing it just like every other weird sex thing.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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ShivahnUnaware of her barrel shifter privilegeWestern coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderatormod
Deep fake stuff terrifies me. We already have a significant population of people divorced from reality being fed on fake info that is only for propaganda purposes.
Yeah the problem is not "can this be detected by an expert?" It's when Aunt Petunia saw that video on Facebook and she was pretty sure it was real and the fake media is lying. It doesn't matter at that point. It's impossible to verify faster than fakes can be generated.
but aunt petunia doesn't need to see a video to get fooled
she's already getting fooled just from the damn headlines on facebook
Maybe. I still have this foolish hope that one day we'll agree on a set of facts again.
We will, but it will be because genocide and global warming has reduced the population to two evangelicals and their horse.
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Attack on Titan and Fullmetal Alchemist both explicitly take place in and aesthetic stand-in for western europe. Lots of blonde hair and blue eyes, western castles and cobblestone streets. All the names are like that Japanese baseball game that made up an entire roster of western sounding name.
And yet both movies have an all-japanese cast in horrible wigs and tend to omit characters that couldn’t be done well by japanese actors. Why didn’t they just hire some token foreigners to act in the movies? Save a bit on terrible wigs and eye enlargement makeup.
Nope.
Japan's movie industry is very much Japan first.
Also I mean, what did you expect from these movies?
We complain about whitewashing so often and we have a well produced movie that isnt so but we still like to beat it down for minor faults.
For how bad the US is with this Japan is much much worse.
I will very much point out the very overt race issues Japan has in its treatment of pretty much everyone not Japanese. My usual description for Japan on a lot of cultural sensitivity things is, Japan is the US in the mid to late 70's and kind of just stuck there.
But at the same time it is an island that is 98% Japanese and is one of the entertainment industries where local fare is the biggest market instead of imported US/Hollywood movies.
Yeah but it's really not just the xenophobia.
Their sexism is... well, it makes us look like gender utopias.
I can only imagine how horrible their trans communities have it.
Ehh, again different culture with a different historical base. I would not say amazing but at the same time not really the same type of bullshit you get in the states. Japan's issues are not based in the protestant puritanism that the US/Canada and a lot of Europe have baked in.
Yeah but, I see it in a lot of the media.
Transphobia and homophobia is really baked in to their entertainment.
I've seen very few positive female characters in the admittedly small slice of anime I've watched or been aware of.
Funny, homophobia is the last thing I would have put forward as something big in anime.
I was seeing gay relationships presented in that medium a LOT more than anything in the US as early as the late 80s.
The most recent example I can think of is OPM and PuriPuri Prisoner.
Jesus christ that was horrific to watch.
That was quite literally a huge farce. The whole show was a farce. Don't get me wrong. It's till a joke at an expense of a group. But they get shit like Yuri on Ice. A kind of story our media is only scratching the surface of now.
And we get shit like Moonlight, which was amazing.
Sure, and things like Sense 8. Things like that are getting made now.
Japan was writing that kind of thing in manga in the early 90s.
Step romance is a thing as I recall. Because like for most people they get a step sibling past the part where your brain tells you "family don't fuck" so you have this person in your life all the time etc etc.
The porn is just so Corey Chase can get work.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Sometimes they seem to just include "step" only because it'll get them hits. Like "banging my best friend's step dad." It's like the concept of step families itself is the kink.
I imagine it both sanitizes it to negate guilt and also makes it seem in the realm of the possible.
There are a lot of step-families and there are sure to have been some where someone ended up sulking because the hot new person in their life is now their sibling.
Attack on Titan and Fullmetal Alchemist both explicitly take place in and aesthetic stand-in for western europe. Lots of blonde hair and blue eyes, western castles and cobblestone streets. All the names are like that Japanese baseball game that made up an entire roster of western sounding name.
And yet both movies have an all-japanese cast in horrible wigs and tend to omit characters that couldn’t be done well by japanese actors. Why didn’t they just hire some token foreigners to act in the movies? Save a bit on terrible wigs and eye enlargement makeup.
Nope.
Japan's movie industry is very much Japan first.
Also I mean, what did you expect from these movies?
We complain about whitewashing so often and we have a well produced movie that isnt so but we still like to beat it down for minor faults.
For how bad the US is with this Japan is much much worse.
I will very much point out the very overt race issues Japan has in its treatment of pretty much everyone not Japanese. My usual description for Japan on a lot of cultural sensitivity things is, Japan is the US in the mid to late 70's and kind of just stuck there.
But at the same time it is an island that is 98% Japanese and is one of the entertainment industries where local fare is the biggest market instead of imported US/Hollywood movies.
Yeah but it's really not just the xenophobia.
Their sexism is... well, it makes us look like gender utopias.
I can only imagine how horrible their trans communities have it.
Ehh, again different culture with a different historical base. I would not say amazing but at the same time not really the same type of bullshit you get in the states. Japan's issues are not based in the protestant puritanism that the US/Canada and a lot of Europe have baked in.
Yeah but, I see it in a lot of the media.
Transphobia and homophobia is really baked in to their entertainment.
I've seen very few positive female characters in the admittedly small slice of anime I've watched or been aware of.
Funny, homophobia is the last thing I would have put forward as something big in anime.
I was seeing gay relationships presented in that medium a LOT more than anything in the US as early as the late 80s.
The most recent example I can think of is OPM and PuriPuri Prisoner.
Jesus christ that was horrific to watch.
That was quite literally a huge farce. The whole show was a farce. Don't get me wrong. It's till a joke at an expense of a group. But they get shit like Yuri on Ice. A kind of story our media is only scratching the surface of now.
And we get shit like Moonlight, which was amazing.
Moonlight is the exception. And exploring the fact that a large minority group in America has a lot of cultural stigma around stuff like homosexual relationships and such. I know @Kana has a running list of Asian LGBTQ writing/movies/shows and stuff or I think Kana does. I know Simon has a bit of one.
And as always I will always direct people to read Confessions of a Mask. Which I love, but I love Mishima's writing in general even if it veers into the hyper pro-Emperor world from time to time.
It's not really an exception, since there's also Pariah and Paris is Burning.
Deep fake stuff terrifies me. We already have a significant population of people divorced from reality being fed on fake info that is only for propaganda purposes.
Yeah the problem is not "can this be detected by an expert?" It's when Aunt Petunia saw that video on Facebook and she was pretty sure it was real and the fake media is lying. It doesn't matter at that point. It's impossible to verify faster than fakes can be generated.
but aunt petunia doesn't need to see a video to get fooled
she's already getting fooled just from the damn headlines on facebook
Maybe. I still have this foolish hope that one day we'll agree on a set of facts again.
I think we probably will.
Society is slow to adapt and we're still in the first couple of decades of the information age.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
oh shit I forgot its mayday, time for a bunch of bullshit news panic about MAY DAY RIOTS!!! Fucking seattle hipsters
The amount of both "the damage is practically nothing and they have insurance" and "take that, evil companies" coming from the same people is oddly high.
oh shit I forgot its mayday, time for a bunch of bullshit news panic about MAY DAY RIOTS!!! Fucking seattle hipsters
wait who are the hipsters in this scenario
th... the news?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
it's just weird to me how like, everything is step porn now
step casting couch.
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I went on a tour of a battleship this last weekend, and it was in the south, and when we got to the machine that makes fresh water, the tour guide was like "Oh cool, a group of mostly women. That's good because I will be talking a lot about cooking/boiling water."
It was magical and confirmed all stereotypes forever.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
i'm not sure if the bob's burgers trans character(s) are good or if the joke is often just that they are trans
like, i would expect the show to be fairly progressive about it, but i dunno
when will america go back to wholesome kinks, like watersports and ball torture?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
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also it's not like people don't just believe whatever they choose to believe now anyway
one of my favorite things i've watched in the last few years, not just including other anime
The prevalence of "step fantasy" genres on the various porn streaming tubes is really weirding me out. Is this recent or has it always been a thing?
this is actually why it doesn't scare me
or i guess rather, i don't think it will change things much
dingdingdingding
people already believe stuff that is trivially falsifiable, as long as it confirms their biases
deepfakes isn't going to mean shit
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Yeah the problem is not "can this be detected by an expert?" It's when Aunt Petunia saw that video on Facebook and she was pretty sure it was real and the fake media is lying. It doesn't matter at that point. It's impossible to verify faster than fakes can be generated.
Incest in general has always been huge, all the way back into antiquity. I don’t especially understand it but it’s clearly very popular.
Sure, and things like Sense 8. Things like that are getting made now.
Japan was writing that kind of thing in manga in the early 90s.
I need uncomfortable inception porn, where they try to cram as many uncomfortable things into one premise as possible.
Girl cucks husband with multiple black step-brothers.
It's popular because it shouldn't be popular. And the more outrage and fussing over it, the more popular it will become.
but aunt petunia doesn't need to see a video to get fooled
she's already getting fooled just from the damn headlines on facebook
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
couldn't possibly have
I actually think it is.
(It offhandedly mentions that other stuff is transphobic, too, which is neat)
Maybe. I still have this foolish hope that one day we'll agree on a set of facts again.
*gasp*
You have outed yourself as someone who doesn't watch Bob's Burgers.
Moonlight is the exception. And exploring the fact that a large minority group in America has a lot of cultural stigma around stuff like homosexual relationships and such. I know @Kana has a running list of Asian LGBTQ writing/movies/shows and stuff or I think Kana does. I know Simon has a bit of one.
And as always I will always direct people to read Confessions of a Mask. Which I love, but I love Mishima's writing in general even if it veers into the hyper pro-Emperor world from time to time.
I don’t think incest porn is popular because it’s taboo. It helps. It’s a little spicy kick to that flavor people already love, but it’s not the main reason.
There’s something real backing it just like every other weird sex thing.
We will, but it will be because genocide and global warming has reduced the population to two evangelicals and their horse.
I mean yes, they obviously have nothing on this:
The porn is just so Corey Chase can get work.
pleasepaypreacher.net
I imagine it both sanitizes it to negate guilt and also makes it seem in the realm of the possible.
There are a lot of step-families and there are sure to have been some where someone ended up sulking because the hot new person in their life is now their sibling.
pleasepaypreacher.net
It's not really an exception, since there's also Pariah and Paris is Burning.
I think we probably will.
Society is slow to adapt and we're still in the first couple of decades of the information age.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Maybe there will be Step-Riots. :winky:
The amount of both "the damage is practically nothing and they have insurance" and "take that, evil companies" coming from the same people is oddly high.
wait who are the hipsters in this scenario
th... the news?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
You weren't alive in the 70s. How do you know this?
step casting couch.
It was magical and confirmed all stereotypes forever.
like, i would expect the show to be fairly progressive about it, but i dunno
regardless the taxi episode was great
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
wasn't i