the GAME part is still fun, but fuck me the story is dumb sometimes
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my only criticism with this video is that it takes it as a given that the viewer knows who tim tebow is... god, I hope someone makes a comprehensive breakdown of the circus that was tebowmania. I never feel like I can adequately explain it to anyone who missed it.
A lot of conservative Christians really, really love when a person is a Christian in a showboaty way?
I mean that was the core reason it happened, but I'm talking about the actual sequence of events
He was the perfect college quarterback and got a lot of fans from his time in college, where he became the youngest player to ever win the Heisman.
But the same skill set that made him a monster in college hamstrung his pro career. And then he became a super popular, well known player with an underdog story behind him to boost his appeal.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I'll agree that Jaina's turn is rather inconsistent and abrupt, but at least she's more interesting this way.
For a long time World of Warcraft lacked any actually compelling reason for the factions to be at odds. Mostly it was just leftover animosity from the second war.
But with the bombing of Theramore and the destruction of Gilneas, at least I can understand why some of the faction leaders are each other's throats. Sylvanas murdered Genn's son. Jaina betrayed her own father to establish peace with the Horde. Now the burning of Teldrassil?
Blizzard tries to be all wishy-washy about how neither faction is really the bad guys but... the Horde are clearly the bad guys.
Everything you described there are all dumb plot points birthed of Blizzard's writers being hacks whose solution to the problem of "we need animosity between the sides" is "let's make the Horde more and more monstrous," a process that started as soon as they started to run out of the story points provided to them by Warcraft 3 (which went to great pains to establish the exact opposite) at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion (*cough* Argent Tournament and Garrosh *cough*).
Jaina is likely going to war with the corrupted remnants of her father's followers that are split into different houses each with their own seperate forms of corruptions
Jaina is likely going to war with the corrupted remnants of her father's followers that are split into different houses each with their own seperate forms of corruptions
i.e. the Warcaft parable
That's not really what corruption means
Like
Theyre just racist warmongering assholes
There is like, one group that is legit corrupted by Dark Magic but that's it
my only criticism with this video is that it takes it as a given that the viewer knows who tim tebow is... god, I hope someone makes a comprehensive breakdown of the circus that was tebowmania. I never feel like I can adequately explain it to anyone who missed it.
A lot of conservative Christians really, really love when a person is a Christian in a showboaty way?
I mean that was the core reason it happened, but I'm talking about the actual sequence of events
He was the perfect college quarterback and got a lot of fans from his time in college, where he became the youngest player to ever win the Heisman.
But the same skill set that made him a monster in college hamstrung his pro career. And then he became a super popular, well known player with an underdog story behind him to boost his appeal.
I am not actually asking what happened
I am expressing, to no one in particular, that I hope someone makes a pretty-good-esque video about it
Portraying the mega racist humans as the good guys is fraught in 2018 at the best of times.
Its worse. It turns out siding with the group of refugees fleeing persecution was the wrong choice and Jaina should have sided with the racist patriarch who wanted to kill them all. Because it turns out that the refugees will stab you in the back no matter what nice face they put on, no matter how many times you side with them and fight to stop racists from inflaming relations.
The timing of this story arc did not work out very well for Blizzard.
Y'all the Kul Tirans are not being portrayed as the good guys
The whole story with them is the Alliance having to make them realize they can't be xenophobic dicks anymore and need allies and need to evolve with the times
I'll agree that Jaina's turn is rather inconsistent and abrupt, but at least she's more interesting this way.
For a long time World of Warcraft lacked any actually compelling reason for the factions to be at odds. Mostly it was just leftover animosity from the second war.
But with the bombing of Theramore and the destruction of Gilneas, at least I can understand why some of the faction leaders are each other's throats. Sylvanas murdered Genn's son. Jaina betrayed her own father to establish peace with the Horde. Now the burning of Teldrassil?
Blizzard tries to be all wishy-washy about how neither faction is really the bad guys but... the Horde are clearly the bad guys.
Everything you described there are all dumb plot points birthed of Blizzard's writers being hacks whose solution to the problem of "we need animosity between the sides" is "let's make the Horde more and more monstrous," a process that started as soon as they started to run out of the story points provided to them by Warcraft 3 (which went to great pains to establish the exact opposite) at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion (*cough* Argent Tournament and Garrosh *cough*).
What's funny and also stupid is how the horde is now being run by the woman who was (Up until MoP) The most overtly evil figurehead in the entire horde.
Garraosh was a short-tempered brutal asshole in Cata, but he at least had some measure sense of honor. And he rightfully called out Sylvanas for basically following in the Lich King's footsteps.
One expansion later he goes full-fledged Hitler because the horde needs animosity, and then we actually have level headed leadership for a whole ONE expansion when Vol'jin takes over.
Then he dies in the event leading up to Legion and now Sylvanas is in charge because the spirits (beings Sylvanas has explicitly established she has potential influence over) told him to pick her as a successor.
if it turns out vol'jin named her the successor because the troll spirits were under her influence and not because there's some cool reason she should be warchief I'm gonna... probably run sylvannas a lot when she becomes a raid boss I guess
I'll agree that Jaina's turn is rather inconsistent and abrupt, but at least she's more interesting this way.
For a long time World of Warcraft lacked any actually compelling reason for the factions to be at odds. Mostly it was just leftover animosity from the second war.
But with the bombing of Theramore and the destruction of Gilneas, at least I can understand why some of the faction leaders are each other's throats. Sylvanas murdered Genn's son. Jaina betrayed her own father to establish peace with the Horde. Now the burning of Teldrassil?
Blizzard tries to be all wishy-washy about how neither faction is really the bad guys but... the Horde are clearly the bad guys.
Everything you described there are all dumb plot points birthed of Blizzard's writers being hacks whose solution to the problem of "we need animosity between the sides" is "let's make the Horde more and more monstrous," a process that started as soon as they started to run out of the story points provided to them by Warcraft 3 (which went to great pains to establish the exact opposite) at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion (*cough* Argent Tournament and Garrosh *cough*).
This is going to be a real old callback, but I actually really liked the Onyxia storyline and how it explained the tensions between Horde and Alliance at launch.
You'd start out and you'd face some organization that regularly popped up seemingly with ties to the enemy faction (IIRC goblin Cartel for Horde and Pirates for Alliance). Then as you went on you'd get more quests investigating this mystery, leading you towards realizing that there was involvement by black dragons. This led through major raids, tied in with storylines from different zones, and led you closer to finding out what was going on. Until you finally confronted the King of Stormwind's adviser who turned out to be a giant fuck-off dragon.
I'll agree that Jaina's turn is rather inconsistent and abrupt, but at least she's more interesting this way.
For a long time World of Warcraft lacked any actually compelling reason for the factions to be at odds. Mostly it was just leftover animosity from the second war.
But with the bombing of Theramore and the destruction of Gilneas, at least I can understand why some of the faction leaders are each other's throats. Sylvanas murdered Genn's son. Jaina betrayed her own father to establish peace with the Horde. Now the burning of Teldrassil?
Blizzard tries to be all wishy-washy about how neither faction is really the bad guys but... the Horde are clearly the bad guys.
Everything you described there are all dumb plot points birthed of Blizzard's writers being hacks whose solution to the problem of "we need animosity between the sides" is "let's make the Horde more and more monstrous," a process that started as soon as they started to run out of the story points provided to them by Warcraft 3 (which went to great pains to establish the exact opposite) at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion (*cough* Argent Tournament and Garrosh *cough*).
This is going to be a real old callback, but I actually really liked the Onyxia storyline and how it explained the tensions between Horde and Alliance at launch.
You'd start out and you'd face some organization that regularly popped up seemingly with ties to the enemy faction (IIRC goblin Cartel for Horde and Pirates for Alliance). Then as you went on you'd get more quests investigating this mystery, leading you towards realizing that there was involvement by black dragons. This led through major raids, tied in with storylines from different zones, and led you closer to finding out what was going on. Until you finally confronted the King of Stormwind's adviser who turned out to be a giant fuck-off dragon.
it's kind of emblematic of all the problems with WoW's story that they had this half-finished in the game at launch, but then never actually finished it like you're describing. It was all cut and put in a comic book series no one read.
I'll agree that Jaina's turn is rather inconsistent and abrupt, but at least she's more interesting this way.
For a long time World of Warcraft lacked any actually compelling reason for the factions to be at odds. Mostly it was just leftover animosity from the second war.
But with the bombing of Theramore and the destruction of Gilneas, at least I can understand why some of the faction leaders are each other's throats. Sylvanas murdered Genn's son. Jaina betrayed her own father to establish peace with the Horde. Now the burning of Teldrassil?
Blizzard tries to be all wishy-washy about how neither faction is really the bad guys but... the Horde are clearly the bad guys.
Everything you described there are all dumb plot points birthed of Blizzard's writers being hacks whose solution to the problem of "we need animosity between the sides" is "let's make the Horde more and more monstrous," a process that started as soon as they started to run out of the story points provided to them by Warcraft 3 (which went to great pains to establish the exact opposite) at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion (*cough* Argent Tournament and Garrosh *cough*).
This is going to be a real old callback, but I actually really liked the Onyxia storyline and how it explained the tensions between Horde and Alliance at launch.
You'd start out and you'd face some organization that regularly popped up seemingly with ties to the enemy faction (IIRC goblin Cartel for Horde and Pirates for Alliance). Then as you went on you'd get more quests investigating this mystery, leading you towards realizing that there was involvement by black dragons. This led through major raids, tied in with storylines from different zones, and led you closer to finding out what was going on. Until you finally confronted the King of Stormwind's adviser who turned out to be a giant fuck-off dragon.
it's kind of emblematic of all the problems with WoW's story that they had this half-finished in the game at launch, but then never actually finished it like you're describing. It was all cut and put in a comic book series no one read.
I've never read any of the comics, everything I described was in the game.
It was actually kind of a problem sometimes because low level alliance players would go up to the castle to turn in part of the Defias quest and end up dealing with the advisor and half the guards turning into dragons and basically killing any low level person in the area after someone turned in the penultimate quest of the storyline.
I distinctly remember the questline you're describing only existing for the Alliance, the Horde had no equivalent. Somewhere in the 20-30 level range I think SI:7 asks you to investigate the disappearance of a diplomat (secretly the king in disguise or something), the trail eventually sends you to Menethil Harbor in the Wetlands, you beat up some bandits in the tavern and the quest line abruptly ends with no resolution to the plot. At 60 there is a quest or to reveal Onyxia in the Stormwind throne room and then get sent off to kill her in Dustwallow after she flees (again no Horde equivalent to this event). And that's the end. There was a bunch more stuff planned in Dustwallow with this quest that got cut, like rescuing the real king out on Alcaz Island, that was all cut and put in the comic books about Varian's dumb amnesia adventures.
e: I admit I might be misremembering the high level parts of this though.
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I distinctly remember the questline you're describing only existing for the Alliance, the Horde had no equivalent. Somewhere in the 20-30 level range I think SI:7 asks you to investigate the disappearance of a diplomat (secretly the king in disguise or something), the trail eventually sends you to Menethil Harbor in the Wetlands, you beat up some bandits in the tavern and the quest line abruptly ends with no resolution to the plot. At 60 there is a quest or to reveal Onyxia in the Stormwind throne room and then get sent off to kill her in Dustwallow after she flees (again no Horde equivalent to this event). And that's the end. There was a bunch more stuff planned in Dustwallow with this quest that got cut, like rescuing the real king out on Alcaz Island, that was all cut and put in the comic books about Varian's dumb amnesia adventures.
e: I admit I might be misremembering the high level parts of this though.
The Horde version sent you to Blackrock Spire to kill the Orc in charge there, the Alliance version sent you into Blackrock Depths to free the prisoner. Both were at the tail end of long end-game quests
As somebody who shook off that WoW monkey around 2010 the Warcraft universe seems to have been haphazardly fucked apart and boy things was pretty haphazard when I left
Things in the story are lol what the fuck levels of messed up yes.
In this expansion the isle nation of Kul Trias or whatever is the Alliance place. Its where Jania is from. In the expansion pack for Warcraft 3 her dad followed her to the peace summit she was having with the Horde and was a huge dick and refused peace and was killed by the Horde because he not only refused peace but jumped into the diplomatic meeting and started killing people.
Shes going home now because shes anti-horde and in this video shes singing a sea chanty her nation sings about her.
Basically she has her work cut out for her because they have songs about how much she sucks. Which I'm ok with. Lok Tar Ogar and all that.
Blizzard does small scale stories very well, but overarching storylines/characters.... not so well.
For example, while questing I the jungle around lvl 25, you come across a tiny cute baby raptor. You take care of her as you quest, and along the way, you accidentally resurrect a Troll Chieftain, who turns out to be the owner of the sire of that raptor. He raptornaps your baby, and you spend the rest of the zone trying to get her back, only to be stopped at the last minute.
Cue 50 levels later, you’re strong enough to run the troll dungeon. If you’ve completed that quest, once you defeat that Troll Chieftain, a little baby raptor appears with a quest marker over her head. Turns out she still remembers you, and you get her back, permanently.
I literally teared up at that quest, and it’s one of many, both large and small that have affected me.
The Horde/Alliance thing has always drawn a meh out of me though.
Matt Groening being such a goose about the whole Apu thing has really disenchanted me towards his new series
hiyoooooooooooooimstillwatchingit
but yes I am very mad at the Blizzard writing staff for basically ruining everything I liked about Warcraft 3's story. If they ever make a Warcraft 4 I really, really, really hope it's an alternate universe thing.
also no Garrosh fuck Garrosh. "Let's undermine the poignant death of a famed warlord and killer who tried to be a better man after befriending a young idealist and, although he often fails, he ultimately redeems himself by sacrificing himself to free his people from the shackles of corruption he himself unwittingly helped to forge by making his son a racist warmongering piece of shit for no reason."
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Apu stuff aside (which can be a big ask), Disenchanted still looks mediocre to average anyway. It didn't give me any kind of reason to want to watch it.
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Yeah, Groening has kind of put me off even watching Futurama reruns (I never really got into the Simpsons). Fuck his dumb bullshit.
Even the timing of it was fucked up, it was like Groening saw Hank Azarias thoughtful empathetic discourse on the matter and thought "What! That's not how you act like a shithead, I'll show you how to act like a shithead!"
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He was the perfect college quarterback and got a lot of fans from his time in college, where he became the youngest player to ever win the Heisman.
But the same skill set that made him a monster in college hamstrung his pro career. And then he became a super popular, well known player with an underdog story behind him to boost his appeal.
Everything you described there are all dumb plot points birthed of Blizzard's writers being hacks whose solution to the problem of "we need animosity between the sides" is "let's make the Horde more and more monstrous," a process that started as soon as they started to run out of the story points provided to them by Warcraft 3 (which went to great pains to establish the exact opposite) at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion (*cough* Argent Tournament and Garrosh *cough*).
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
i.e. the Warcaft parable
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Theyre just racist warmongering assholes
I am not actually asking what happened
I am expressing, to no one in particular, that I hope someone makes a pretty-good-esque video about it
Its worse. It turns out siding with the group of refugees fleeing persecution was the wrong choice and Jaina should have sided with the racist patriarch who wanted to kill them all. Because it turns out that the refugees will stab you in the back no matter what nice face they put on, no matter how many times you side with them and fight to stop racists from inflaming relations.
The timing of this story arc did not work out very well for Blizzard.
The whole story with them is the Alliance having to make them realize they can't be xenophobic dicks anymore and need allies and need to evolve with the times
What's funny and also stupid is how the horde is now being run by the woman who was (Up until MoP) The most overtly evil figurehead in the entire horde.
Garraosh was a short-tempered brutal asshole in Cata, but he at least had some measure sense of honor. And he rightfully called out Sylvanas for basically following in the Lich King's footsteps.
One expansion later he goes full-fledged Hitler because the horde needs animosity, and then we actually have level headed leadership for a whole ONE expansion when Vol'jin takes over.
Then he dies in the event leading up to Legion and now Sylvanas is in charge because the spirits (beings Sylvanas has explicitly established she has potential influence over) told him to pick her as a successor.
It's just so dumb.
This is going to be a real old callback, but I actually really liked the Onyxia storyline and how it explained the tensions between Horde and Alliance at launch.
You'd start out and you'd face some organization that regularly popped up seemingly with ties to the enemy faction (IIRC goblin Cartel for Horde and Pirates for Alliance). Then as you went on you'd get more quests investigating this mystery, leading you towards realizing that there was involvement by black dragons. This led through major raids, tied in with storylines from different zones, and led you closer to finding out what was going on. Until you finally confronted the King of Stormwind's adviser who turned out to be a giant fuck-off dragon.
Or that anyone even bothers to upload these
it's kind of emblematic of all the problems with WoW's story that they had this half-finished in the game at launch, but then never actually finished it like you're describing. It was all cut and put in a comic book series no one read.
If they didn't, you might come away thinking there's only one kind of deodorant in there. Like some kinda chump soap.
I've never read any of the comics, everything I described was in the game.
It was actually kind of a problem sometimes because low level alliance players would go up to the castle to turn in part of the Defias quest and end up dealing with the advisor and half the guards turning into dragons and basically killing any low level person in the area after someone turned in the penultimate quest of the storyline.
e: I admit I might be misremembering the high level parts of this though.
The Horde version sent you to Blackrock Spire to kill the Orc in charge there, the Alliance version sent you into Blackrock Depths to free the prisoner. Both were at the tail end of long end-game quests
Things in the story are lol what the fuck levels of messed up yes.
In this expansion the isle nation of Kul Trias or whatever is the Alliance place. Its where Jania is from. In the expansion pack for Warcraft 3 her dad followed her to the peace summit she was having with the Horde and was a huge dick and refused peace and was killed by the Horde because he not only refused peace but jumped into the diplomatic meeting and started killing people.
Shes going home now because shes anti-horde and in this video shes singing a sea chanty her nation sings about her.
Basically she has her work cut out for her because they have songs about how much she sucks. Which I'm ok with. Lok Tar Ogar and all that.
For example, while questing I the jungle around lvl 25, you come across a tiny cute baby raptor. You take care of her as you quest, and along the way, you accidentally resurrect a Troll Chieftain, who turns out to be the owner of the sire of that raptor. He raptornaps your baby, and you spend the rest of the zone trying to get her back, only to be stopped at the last minute.
Cue 50 levels later, you’re strong enough to run the troll dungeon. If you’ve completed that quest, once you defeat that Troll Chieftain, a little baby raptor appears with a quest marker over her head. Turns out she still remembers you, and you get her back, permanently.
I literally teared up at that quest, and it’s one of many, both large and small that have affected me.
The Horde/Alliance thing has always drawn a meh out of me though.
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Dear Satan.....
I hadn't actually seen the Titans trailer, so I looked it up.
Someone needs to go to jail.
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
hiyoooooooooooooimstillwatchingit
but yes I am very mad at the Blizzard writing staff for basically ruining everything I liked about Warcraft 3's story. If they ever make a Warcraft 4 I really, really, really hope it's an alternate universe thing.
also no Garrosh fuck Garrosh. "Let's undermine the poignant death of a famed warlord and killer who tried to be a better man after befriending a young idealist and, although he often fails, he ultimately redeems himself by sacrificing himself to free his people from the shackles of corruption he himself unwittingly helped to forge by making his son a racist warmongering piece of shit for no reason."